Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

RobitTV

RobitTV wrote: »

Holohan is becoming increasingly unhinged. He is not in a fit state to be offering any sort of advice.

He's obviously lost the run of himself.

He's actually starting to remind me a little bit of Salazar, the Portuguese prime minister. He had complete dictatorial control over every single facet of Portuguese society for 36 unbroken years.

Unfortunately he then had a serious stroke. The president replaced Salazar with another dude as prime minister. Completely awkwardly, Salazar made a recovery from the stroke.

To avoid embarrassment, and a slide back into authoritarian rule, a nice little compromise was reached: Caetano would continue as prime minister and Américo as president. Salazar, on the other hand, would not be told of the change, and instead would "rule in privacy".

He spent the next two years happily dispensing decrees, signing death warrants, and starting wars, completely oblivious to the fact that the documents were being handed to an aide and thrown in the dustbin rather than sent to the president for implementation.

Two years later he eventually died, believing until his last day on this earth that he was the dictator of Portugal.

Stheno

Stheno wrote: »

What article?

https://m.independent.ie/news/nphet-warns-of-very-significant-transmission-ahead-of-summer-delta-wave-as-restrictions-not-ruled-out-40603991.html

stephenjmcd

[Deleted User] wrote: »

They have planted the seeds of pubs and restaurants closing by the August bank holiday with that independent story. It's inevitable. Very frustrating.

Presume you've seen who the journalist is ??

The one who's constantly pushing for a soundbite. Would disregard anything she prints.

Notable that Glynn jumped in after to clarify the comments, he could see the headline being written

PTH2009

Christ this new 'immediate big lockdown' will be torture as it will be the same lifting which will be painfully slow. Ffs were not even fully out of lockdown 2

****ing joke

stephenjmcd

PTH2009 wrote: »

Christ this new 'immediate big lockdown' will be torture as it will be the same lifting which will be painfully slow. Ffs were not even fully out of lockdown 2

****ing joke

What lockdown ? There's no lockdown. Your making things up again

PTH2009

stephenjmcd wrote: »

What lockdown ? There's no lockdown. Your making things up again

The same was said to me many times even very recently when i said indoor pubs won't be opening the 5th July. Feel the plants are been seeded for lockdown 3

(Not having a go at you and don't want to either as always found you honest)

facehugger99

RobitTV wrote: »

Holohan is becoming increasingly unhinged. He is not in a fit state to be offering any sort of advice.

Covid is Holohan's shot at redemption and by God he's going to use it for all it's worth, even it it means burning the whole country to the ground.



This country is infected with a deadly virus but it's sure as fcuk not Covid.

normanoffside

stephenjmcd wrote: »

NI going ahead with relaxing more restrictions

https://twitter.com/paulcolgan/status/1410627984755724298?s=19

And yet Tony is warning us we may have to have more restrictions because if what's happening in NI, Scotland and England all of which are dropping their final restrictions.
Meanwhile We won't be opening what they have had open for more than a month.

When he quotes the likes of NI and Scotland as examples I can't believe a journalist doesn't point out these facts to him....

Speak Now

PTH2009 wrote: »

More GAA games been used as 'trial events' this weekend but what is actually been trialed ?

Are they going to check up on every ticket holder a few days after the event to see if they went for a covid test etc

The golf today was a trial event supposedly. No covid questions, no temperature tests. Supposed to be masks on the course but very few bothered in the end. Once the first few went maskless the majority did as no one was going to enforce it in wide open spaces. Even though it was a fraction of normal crowd it was amazing to feel some normality again. Great atmosphere there.

Beechwoodspark

Why are some trying to spin that the CMO is somehow unhinged or out of control

Proof? Evidence?

MOH

namloc1980 wrote: »

Reporter: Did yours and NPHETs stance on alcohol play any part in your recommendation to keep indoor hospitality closed?
Tony: Of course not, we didn't even discuss it. *Proceeds to give detailed answer where his stance on alcohol did indeed play a key role and trots out the "virus loves alcohol" line

A comedian is our Tony.

Secondary schools closed apart from leaving cert, 14-15 outbreaks per week in schools as per Holohan's last letter. And we've been repeatedly told that schools are not a significant problem.

7 outbreaks in a week in hospitality. Not even mentioned in the previous letter, where schools were still at the same level. Given that's half the schools number, clearly hospitality isn't a worry.

5000 total deaths (*includes probable and possible deaths. Data updated weekly). Conveniently, this week's total includes the 11 necessary to take the total to a nice round figure that Fírinne can trumpet as their main headline.

- Active cases yesterday lowest since December 21st. Down about 16% over the past month.
- Six month low for the 7-days case average last week, first time it was below 300 since December 15th.
- 7-day average deaths below 4 since May 5th. Last time before that it was that low was October 27th

Didn't notice any headlines around any of those figures. Which occurred despite the fact that Delta is now apparently 70% of cases.

If Delta is as big a threat as NPHET are claiming, then a huge amount of the published data is woefully inaccurate.

namloc1980

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Why are some trying to spin that the CMO is somehow unhinged or out of control

Proof? Evidence?

He pointed to what's happening in the UK as possible reason why we might need more restrictions in the future. The same UK that is dropping most, if not all, restrictions from the 19th July. Unhinged is being kind.

Speak Now

Richard Hillman wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1410648738989813761?s=19


They are already moving into "yeah but the schools. We gotta get the schools back. A couple more weeks. #HoldFirm"

FFS Primary schools only closed yesterday and we are talking about the reopening.

thebaz

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Why are some trying to spin that the CMO is somehow unhinged or out of control

Proof? Evidence?

not sure i would use term unhinged , but he strikes me a a control freak over the past 12 months, his exagerated fear of what might happen is of the charts , given over 50% of the poplulation is now vaccinated , including the very vulnerable who would have been at most risk of the virus.

Zebra3

Speak Now wrote: »

FFS Primary schools only closed yesterday and we are talking about the reopening.

Back to school signs up in the shops tomorrow.

Sponsored by NPHET.

mikekerry

thebaz wrote: »

not sure i would use term unhinged , but he strikes me a a control freak over the past 12 months, his exagerated fear of what might happen is of the charts , given over 50% of the poplulation is now vaccinated , including the very vulnerable who would have been at most risk of the virus.

Maybe not unhinged he just has a god complex!

lee_baby_simms

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Why are some trying to spin that the CMO is somehow unhinged or out of control

Proof? Evidence?

Well this is what Tony’s counterpart in Scotland is saying in the middle of big Delta wave.

Two countries with broadly similar population and vaccination penetration but both CMOs living in different realities.

One is wrong, one is right.

https://twitter.com/drgregorsmith/status/1408382714013683720?s=10

lawred2

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Why are some trying to spin that the CMO is somehow unhinged or out of control

Proof? Evidence?

Our eyeballs

Multipass

lee_baby_simms wrote: »

Well this is what Tony’s counterpart in Scotland is saying in the middle of big Delta wave.

Two countries with broadly similar population and vaccination penetration but both CMOs living in different realities.

One is wrong, one is right.

https://twitter.com/drgregorsmith/status/1408382714013683720?s=10

God imagine having people in charge talking actual sense - I’m so traumatised by our crowd, I think I’d actually cry if it happened.

lee_baby_simms

Multipass wrote: »

God imagine having people in charge talking actual sense - I’m so traumatised by our crowd, I think I’d actually cry if it happened.

It’s a stark contrast alright!

Maybe Tony and Nolan’s model assumptions are right and the rest of Europe is wrong. Time will tell.

It's worth emphasizing that, even with vaccines administered, a cohort of the population remain vulnerable.

For instance, people with:

• immunocompromised states
• rheumatoid arthritis - or states which require corticosteroids (drugs that suppress the immune system)
• cancer
• HIV/AIDS
• Crohn's disease / ulcerative colitis

The above is quite a lot of people in the population. Even if any of the above were to take a vaccine, it may be too weak to trigger an immunological response - meaning these patients are still susceptible to severe disease post-vaccination.

Of course, this impacts the elderly, too - many of whom do not respond to vaccines as effectively, and who may be comorbid with other serious diseases.

So, whilst vaccinations are highly effective, we must accept the consequence that many people will still die or experience severe disease as a result of this infection.

Now, that doesn't mean we should delay re-opening. To the contrary, we should advance re-opening as fast as possible (irrespective of what fearmongering nonsense NPHET conjure up). We must learn to live with the virus in the same way the above populations live with the risk of other viruses that permeate society.

But it's worth considering or acknowledging that, even in a fully double vaccinated population, the above risks still exist for the populations listed above (and some others, not listed).

dmakc

Dreaming of Tony being wheeled away in August screaming "I made the BBC"

lawred2

lawred2 wrote: »

Our eyeballs

I don't think Tony Holohan is unhinged. Acutely cautious but not mad or unhinged. The people making sly references to his wife's death and potential effect are being pricks.

Chris_5339762

Whatsisname wrote: »

I emigrated 3 and a half years ago, 6 months after getting my degree. Haven’t looked back since. You won’t regret it.

Do it. Do it now, to anyone who is half thinking of it.


I didn't and now I've two elderly parents to look after. Can't leave.

Speak Now

mikekerry wrote: »

Maybe not unhinged he just has a god complex!

Bound to happen when you start making late late show appearances and the host bowing at your feet. Also superman caricatures, freedom of Dublin city, honorary fellowship from Royal college of surgeon etc

ACitizenErased

Interesting news from Germany
https://twitter.com/siobhandowling/status/1410599248232534025?s=21

gozunda

thebaz wrote: »

not sure i would use term unhinged , but he strikes me a a control freak over the past 12 months, his exagerated fear of what might happen is of the charts , given over 50% of the poplulation is now vaccinated , including the very vulnerable who would have been at most risk of the virus.

You may wish to have a read of this as to modelled outcomes over the next couple of months.

https://www.ecdc.europa.eu/en/publications-data/threat-assessment-emergence-and-impact-sars-cov-2-delta-variant

Interestingly enough vulnerable groups who are not yet fully vaccinated and remain at higher risk to COVID-19 include 75% of 60-69 year olds and & 46% 50-59 year olds have not yet received a second dose and cohort 7 who are yet to be completed

PTH2009

Speak Now wrote: »

Bound to happen when you start making late late show appearances and the host bowing at your feet. Also superman caricatures, freedom of Dublin city, honorary fellowship from Royal college of surgeon etc

The man who saved Ireland from Covid, book deals and the like await

Very much not a supporter of his but maybe he is being left with to much responsibility by MM/Leo and the likes and people are getting the wrong idea and attacking him

namloc1980

ACitizenErased wrote: »

Interesting news from Germany
https://twitter.com/siobhandowling/status/1410599248232534025?s=21

Tony says no

bucketybuck

stephenjmcd wrote: »

What lockdown ? There's no lockdown. Your making things up again

Talk about deja vu...

A few weeks ago we got responses exactly like that whenever we pointed out all the kites flying for a delay to indoor hospitality. "What kites? There are no kites, conspiracy loons, you are making it up!"

Now we can see the kites for further delays justifed by schools reopening, by flu season approaching, by the dangers of christmas and still all we hear is "What kites? There are no kites, conspiracy loons, you are making it up!"

It is unreal how so many cannot see what is in front of their faces, cannot see what absolute mugs they are being made off by a select few people in power. But there are none so blind as those who do not want to see, same as it ever was.