Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Jinglejangle69

Scaremongering starting because of cases today.

the kelt

stephenjmcd wrote: »

NI going ahead with relaxing more restrictions

https://twitter.com/paulcolgan/status/1410627984755724298?s=19

Crazy Baxtards, do they not know of the incoming hurricane?

ceadaoin.

Hurrache wrote: »

Can't beat an oul bit of casual racism.

ding-dong
/ˈdiNGdôNG/
noun
INFORMAL•NORTH AMERICAN
a silly or foolish person.

Allinall

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Scaremongering starting because of cases today.

Where?

namloc1980

Allinall wrote: »

Where?

RTE.ie headline right now is "IRELAND'S COVID-19 DEATH TOLL REACHES 5,000".

jakiah

jakiah wrote: »

Incredible, its like an alternate reality

Presumably NPHET didnt bother to pass on news of the 'hurricane' of deaths on the way to our neighbours

The virus doesn't respect borders dontcha know. This means we will need even MORE restrictions to protect ourselves from eh everyone else in the world who is managing this better than we are.

User1998

“UK reports another 27,989 coronavirus cases - the highest since late January”

“The number of weekly cases in England hit its highest level since mid-February last month, according to data from the NHS”

“The last time cases were this high was on 29 January, when there were 29,079. But on that day there were 1,245 COVID-related deaths reported, compared to 22 on Thursday.”

Great to see only 22 deaths with covid despite almost 28,000 cases reported today in the UK. Especially when you consider that around 1,500 people die in the UK everyday anyway.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/uk-reports-another-27-989-covid-cases-highest-since-late-january-12346478

Jinglejangle69

Allinall wrote: »

Where?

Matt Cooper.

This day last year we had 6 cases, today 448 cases. That's with 4 million people vaccinated.

The delta variant wave has begun.

MrMusician18

jakiah wrote: »

The last two weeks were not crucial. Nor the two weeks before that. Or the two before that.

Other countries have shown this to be the case. If anything, we should be having a conversation on whether we are to close things, not open them.

If you were fighting a war and there was a lull in action the commander wouldn't say to his troops, "you know what, we'll head off for two weeks R&R and then come back to the front and nothing will have changed". As soon as they withdraw, the enemy will take that opportunity, the lull will end.

When public health experts have said that the next two weeks are crucial, it is always followed up with that we adhere to the public health guidelines, whatever they are at the time. Almost all countries still have some restrictions, and all have different levels of vaccination so there is no post pandemic case study to point to.

So when it is said that the next two weeks are crucial, they mean it's crucial that you do what you are asked to do otherwise we will go backwards. That it's crucial that real behaviour is similar to that modelled so that a path can be charted out of this.

jakiah

MrMusician18 wrote: »

If you were fighting a war and there was a lull in action the commander wouldn't say to his troops, "you know what, we'll head off for two weeks R&R and then come back to the front and nothing will have changed".

Jesus H Christ

MOR316

stephenjmcd wrote: »

NI going ahead with relaxing more restrictions

https://twitter.com/paulcolgan/status/1410627984755724298?s=19

The virus respects the Good Friday Agreement

Sobit1964

Sobit1964 wrote: »

Stop posting that discredited and debunked fear monger - his time in the sun is gladly over.

So you are saying hospitalisations are not increasing in the UK?

PTH2009

Last night there was a glimmer of hope that members of the government had enough of NPHET and Tony and were going to stand up to them but that seems to have blown over and all friends again

I really hope protests happen and serious ones but cant see anything been done and as everywhere else starts to open up fully like our near neighbours we will be talking about having a plan for a plan :mad::mad:

MrMusician18

jakiah wrote: »

Jesus H Christ

No actual response, just as I thought. Just a glib one liner.

MOH

Hurrache wrote: »

You should propose your cure for any disease, just don't test for it.

C'mon would ya with that nonsense that people tried to use last year. Are you saying that they've decided to test more lately, and that's the only reason the numbers are increasing?

Last year? That's exactly what NPHET said a few weeks ago about schools.

Flip it around: if you only did 10% the number of tests tomorrow than you did today, and numbers dropped by around 90%, would you believe there magically weren't as many cases?

Hurrache

User1998 wrote: »

“UK reports another 27,989 coronavirus cases - the highest since late January”

“The number of weekly cases in England hit its highest level since mid-February last month, according to data from the NHS”

“The last time cases were this high was on 29 January, when there were 29,079. But on that day there were 1,245 COVID-related deaths reported, compared to 22 on Thursday.”

Great to see only 22 deaths with covid despite almost 28,000 cases reported today. Especially when you consider that around 1,500 people die in the UK everyday anyway.

https://www.google.ie/amp/s/news.sky.com/story/amp/uk-reports-another-27-989-covid-cases-highest-since-late-january-12346478

They must be just testing more, it's coincidental.

namloc1980

Hurrache wrote: »

They must be just testing more, it's coincidental.

They are. 600k tests a day a few weeks ago. 1.2m today

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing

Hurrache

MOH wrote: »

Flip it around: if you only did 10% the number of tests tomorrow than you did today, and numbers dropped by around 90%, would you believe there magically weren't as many cases?

So you're saying that the highest number in the UK since January is just because they've testing more than they did between January and now?

edit: I see we were helpfully provided with the stats.

Micky 32

Doctor Jimbob wrote: »

It’s quite funny that people post Eric Feigl-Ding tweets and expect to be taken seriously.

I have heard if anyone questions him whatsoever he blocks them immediately on twitter.

User1998

[Deleted User] wrote: »

So you are saying hospitalisations are not increasing in the UK?

Well obviously they will increase, they are easing restrictions and getting life back to normal. Elderly people being admitted to hospital due to a respiratory illness’s is quite normal.

Hurrache

namloc1980 wrote: »

They are. 600k tests a day a few weeks ago. 1.2m today

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing

Now there's the answer that lays weight to it being one of the reasons for an increase now, although there were more tests at different times of the year that didn't seem to see such a case increase.

brickster69

namloc1980 wrote: »

They are. 600k tests a day a few weeks ago. 1.2m today

https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/details/testing

Well you know the old covid saying. "If you do not test a lot you do not have a f##king clue what on earth is really happening." :eek:

namloc1980

Hurrache wrote: »

So you're saying that the highest number in the UK since January is just because they've testing more than they did between January and now?

edit: I see we were helpfully provided with the stats.

Average daily tests in January was c.300k. Today 1.2m.

is_that_so

Micky 32 wrote: »

I have heard if anyone questions him whatsoever he blocks them immediately on twitter.

Harvard had to pull him up very early on for giving the impression that he worked for them.

MOR316

Just with the talk of Indian/Delta variants, I was reminded of something from March/April 2020...

People I know and people who I spoke to, were afraid of ordering a Chinese takeaway when they reopened incase they caught the virus

Ahhh man...

Hurrache

namloc1980 wrote: »

Average daily tests in January was c.300k. Today 1.2m.

Yes, but around March there were more tests, several hundred thousands more. However there were obviously less vaccinated but they were still in lockdown which may explain why there wasn't an increase in the numbers detected then compared to now, with more vaccinated but less restrictions.

PTH2009

Got fairly generic emails back from my local TDS (well there assistant's)

This was from Mary Butlers reps

'Thank you for your email.

I personally spent two hours and 15 minutes in a briefing with the CMO yesterday and the information conveyed to me regarding the Delta variant was extremely sobering. I was informed by the CMO that this variant is the most severe and dangerous strain we have seen to date.

The latest indications in England and Scotland are extremely concerning and it is clear that we are now in a race between the variant and the vaccine. While the CMO informed me that we cannot stop the Delta variant, we can slow it down, and we can be reassured therefore by the fact that we have one of the most efficient and consistent vaccine rollout operations in Europe at the present time. This puts us in a great position to win this battle as a country.

During this briefing the CMO also acknowledged the contradiction in the hospitality industry by which a person working a shift in a bar/restaurant on a Monday is prohibited from entering as a patron the following night to enjoy a meal or drink. However, it is far safer for a non-vaccinated 20 year old to be working in an environment within which all of the patrons they are interacting with are vaccinated. This is part of the rationale behind this decision.

It is also important to remember that we have not gone backwards. Everything which has been opened has remained open. We have not gone back to lockdowns or the very strict measures we saw earlier this year.

The Government, in line with expert public health advice, has instead paused the reopening of indoor dining and drinking to allow more time for the vaccination rollout to protect our population and to engage with the industry to ensure staff and patrons are kept as safe as possible progressing toward further reopening. The first meeting with the industry was held yesterday and the Taoiseach was present.

Finally, a lot of people have spent the last year attacking Government decisions on Covid and demanding that we follow other countries. Maybe we should have a bit of perspective.
If Ireland was like the UK we would have had 4,340 more deaths.

Like the EU Average? 3,243 more deaths.
The careful approach taken by Government has saved countless lives and we intend to continue adopting a safe approach until the majority of our population is vaccinated to save more lives.

ACitizenErased

Fantastic question asked by the guy from Prime Time at the briefing.
Modelling from Nolan includes a step change in mixing from July 5th.
Coughlan asked what is the scenario if mixing remains the same as right now.
Answer:
Somewhere between the alpha scenario (20,000 cases) and the optimistic scenario (80,000) cases.

Not sure why this was not included in the modelling.

JeffKenna

PTH2009 wrote: »

Got fairly generic emails back from my local TDS (well there assistant's)

This was from Mary Butlers reps

'Thank you for your email.

I personally spent two hours and 15 minutes in a briefing with the CMO yesterday and the information conveyed to me regarding the Delta variant was extremely sobering. I was informed by the CMO that this variant is the most severe and dangerous strain we have seen to date.

The latest indications in England and Scotland are extremely concerning and it is clear that we are now in a race between the variant and the vaccine. While the CMO informed me that we cannot stop the Delta variant, we can slow it down, and we can be reassured therefore by the fact that we have one of the most efficient and consistent vaccine rollout operations in Europe at the present time. This puts us in a great position to win this battle as a country.

During this briefing the CMO also acknowledged the contradiction in the hospitality industry by which a person working a shift in a bar/restaurant on a Monday is prohibited from entering as a patron the following night to enjoy a meal or drink. However, it is far safer for a non-vaccinated 20 year old to be working in an environment within which all of the patrons they are interacting with are vaccinated. This is part of the rationale behind this decision.

It is also important to remember that we have not gone backwards. Everything which has been opened has remained open. We have not gone back to lockdowns or the very strict measures we saw earlier this year.

The Government, in line with expert public health advice, has instead paused the reopening of indoor dining and drinking to allow more time for the vaccination rollout to protect our population and to engage with the industry to ensure staff and patrons are kept as safe as possible progressing toward further reopening. The first meeting with the industry was held yesterday and the Taoiseach was present.

Finally, a lot of people have spent the last year attacking Government decisions on Covid and demanding that we follow other countries. Maybe we should have a bit of perspective.
If Ireland was like the UK we would have had 4,340 more deaths.

Like the EU Average? 3,243 more deaths.
The careful approach taken by Government has saved countless lives and we intend to continue adopting a safe approach until the majority of our population is vaccinated to save more lives.

Those last 2 paragraphs didn't come from Mary Butler did they? Find it hard to ever vote for her if she's sending that out.

PTH2009

JeffKenna wrote: »

Those last 2 paragraphs didn't come from Mary Butler did they? Find it hard to ever vote for her if she's sending that out.

Yes it did

Yep will be the doing the same