Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

Richard Hillman

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

Scaremongering starting because of cases today.

It's just a shame we cannot correlate the cases with deaths anymore with that such inconvenient data hack preventing NPHET from accessing data for deaths. So unfortunate and inconvenient.

namloc1980

Tony saying we could go back to increased restrictions/lockdowns. Nice one Tony.

lawrencesummers

They pick and choose what countries suit their agenda.


It’s all about the Scotland because they are having an increase in cases (that doesn’t translate to hospitalizations) a lot of it down to the soccer, which we don’t have.

They ignore the countries that are doing things that don’t suit their agendas around Antigen testing, indoor dining etc.

is_that_so

lawrencesummers wrote: »

They pick and choose what countries suit their agenda.


It’s all about the Scotland because they are having an increase in cases (that doesn’t translate to hospitalizations) a lot of it down to the soccer, which we don’t have.

They ignore the countries that are doing things that don’t suit their agendas around Antigen testing, indoor dining etc.

Colm Henry maintains that the link has been broken both in hospitals and in care homes so we could be heading towards 1,000 colds a day!

PTH2009

namloc1980 wrote: »

Tony saying we could go back to increased restrictions/lockdowns. Nice one Tony.

The media will be thrilled, great headline

They really don't believe the vaccines work, which was something we were promised would get us back to normal faster

lawrencesummers

is_that_so wrote: »

Colm Henry maintains that the link has been broken both in hospitals and in care homes so we could be heading towards 1,000 colds a day!

He actually said on Tv

“If enough young people get COVID-19 Delta then someone somewhere will need to be hospitalized”

He’s even acknowledging how utterly rare it is for young people to get sick from this.

Why are they not asked to apply this same level of restrictions to the other aspects of society where people die.

It strikes me that this is all smoke and mirrors to detract from the terrible handling of the 60’s cohort.

Richard Hillman

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1410648738989813761?s=19


They are already moving into "yeah but the schools. We gotta get the schools back. A couple more weeks. #HoldFirm"

lawrencesummers

If they are so worried about the schools why don’t they vaccinate the teachers.

Then the classes can stay open and any pods that have a positive test can be taken out.

gozunda

namloc1980 wrote: »

RTE.ie headline right now is "IRELAND'S COVID-19 DEATH TOLL REACHES 5,000".

Jaysus! Yes that's the headline because that's the current figure of deaths which has just been released.

And before I'm accused of being an RTE supporter or apologist - no I'm no fan of RTE. I watch very little of their stuff

But I've checked and no they're not making it up you know. On thst issue its difficult to understand getting offended by actual numbers or data which I've seen lately. And akin to the Orwellian suggestion I've seen doing the rounds that the average person can't deal with official covid statistics and therefore they shouldn't be published. Its much the same as stating here's the blinkers, now put your fingers in your ears as well...

ninebeanrows

They seem to be measuring the epidemic now solely in case numbers

They are picking most extreme cases as examples

They mention Israel..... they had few cases and asked people to wear masks again

These lads are dug into this stance and won’t change

We are fecked

I just hope no change on EU cert and will disengage from Irish media social and mainstream as beginning to affect my mental health

It’s nice and sunny out there this evening. We can’t change what these power drunk medical technocrats do, so let them at it

lawred2

Richard Hillman wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1410648738989813761?s=19


They are already moving into "yeah but the schools. We gotta get the schools back. A couple more weeks. #HoldFirm"

Good grief. We've gone back in time.

namloc1980

NPHET talking about the need to protect the return to schools in September also and that action is needed now to ensure that. This is never ending.

PTH2009

Richard Hillman wrote: »

https://twitter.com/rtenews/status/1410648738989813761?s=19


They are already moving into "yeah but the schools. We gotta get the schools back. A couple more weeks. #HoldFirm"

Yeah you have to laugh

Publicans been told now basically 'nope your not opening indoors anytime soon'

retro:electro

Tony on the news just there giving it welly about how deadly this new variant is, scaremongering galore and then when asked about Delta’s new symptoms he says “yes people are experiencing a range of mild symptoms. I’d urge anyone presenting with typical cold like symptoms to get tested”

What do you even say. Actual lol.

Hurrache

ninebeanrows wrote: »

They seem to be measuring the epidemic now solely in case numbers

They are picking most extreme cases as examples

They mention Israel..... they had few cases and asked people to wear masks again

These lads are dug into this stance and won’t change

We are fecked

I just hope no change on EU cert and will disengage from Irish media social and mainstream as beginning to affect my mental health

It’s nice and sunny out there this evening. We can’t change what these power drunk medical technocrats do, so let them at it

A couple of pages back, the UK has seen an increase with more vaccinated and less restrictions. People are also picking and choosing what countries they use in arguments on both sides.

It's hard not to think that there is Authorian leadership in NPHET and someone has lost the plot there with everyone else afraid to speak up.

Every ****ing day lately they are coming out with mad statements wilting away any positivity people had as we were getting to the end of this thing.

lawrencesummers

retro:electro wrote: »

Tony on the news just there giving it welly about how deadly this new variant is, scaremongering galore and then when asked about Delta’s new symptoms he says “yes people are experiencing a range of mild symptoms. I’d urge anyone presenting sign typical cold like symptoms to get tested”

What do you even say. Actual lol.

He was quick to talk about the 4200 cases in Scotland today, and failed to
Mention how few hospitalizations are happening.


Anyone talking about cases now should be cut off.

is_that_so

Nash Lemon Serfdom wrote: »

It's hard not to think that there is Authorian leadership in NPHET and someone has lost the plot there with everyone else afraid to speak up.

Every ****ing day lately they are coming out with mad statements wilting away any positivity people had as we were getting to the end of this thing.

Ok breathe now! It's a lovely evening out!

lawrencesummers

He’s against antigen testing because it’s a “point in time test”



Isn’t that exactly what all tests are?

is_that_so

is_that_so wrote: »

Ok breathe now! It's a lovely evening out!

Yeah I'm heading off training and will enjoy it while it's there.

Will probably be canned in a few weeks at this rate.

bear1

lawrencesummers wrote: »

He’s against antigen testing because it’s a “point in time test”



Isn’t that exactly what all tests are?

Yeah but you see, bolloxology doesn't work in a sensical way.

opinionated3

retro:electro wrote: »

Tony on the news just there giving it welly about how deadly this new variant is, scaremongering galore and then when asked about Delta’s new symptoms he says “yes people are experiencing a range of mild symptoms. I’d urge anyone presenting with typical cold like symptoms to get tested”

What do you even say. Actual lol.

At this stage I firmly believe they haven't just lost the dressing room, they've lost the whole country. Haven't spoken to anyone, young or old, in the last two days that agreed with what has happened in the last 48hrs. And the jealousy watching other countries doing their best to move on and allow citizens their freedoms is growing by the hour.
I'm just staggered at how much power nphet actually wield.

Sobit1964

Hurrache wrote: »

A couple of pages back, the UK has seen an increase with more vaccinated and less restrictions. People are also picking and choosing what countries they use in arguments on both sides.

If its Delta and Europe, then no one is picking and choosing - the UK is the test case, and the score is just about in.

lawred2

lawrencesummers wrote: »

He’s against antigen testing because it’s a “point in time test”



Isn’t that exactly what all tests are?

Continuous covid assessment

Richard Hillman

PTH2009 wrote: »

Yeah you have to laugh

Publicans been told now basically 'nope your not opening indoors anytime soon'

We were predicting this earlier in the week and it was described as "Fiction".

August comes and it will be all about the schools.
Cases go up because schools are back but the kids won't be vaccinated twice, so we gotta keep those cases down. October-November comes and the months are getting colder. We can't have what happened last year, we need to save Christmas. Cases go up anyway. Then they'll have to decide on Christmas.

Come January and the cases in 4 figures, the over 80s and vulnerable will need their booster shots. Then the over 60s will need their boosters. Hold Firm folks, 2 more weeks.

Wash, rinse, repeat.


Of course the HSE Data hack will still be going and we'll have no idea how many people are actually dieing.

prunudo

opinionated3 wrote: »

At this stage I firmly believe they haven't just lost the dressing room, they've lost the whole country. Haven't spoken to anyone, young or old, in the last two days that agreed with what has happened in the last 48hrs. And the jealousy watching other countries doing their best to move on and allow citizens their freedoms is growing by the hour.
I'm just staggered at how much power nphet actually wield.

Nobody gives a **** what they say anymore. Problem is the government and media are hanging on their every word.
Rather than backing down they seem to have regrouped and come out stronger and more negative than ever Today.

namloc1980

Some amount of doom from that briefing. 4.1m vaccine doses administered and less than a bus full of people in hospital, we should be in a brilliant place. Tony talking about restrictions/lockdowns and the need to protect return to school. Absolute doom merchants.

namloc1980

Richard Hillman wrote: »

We were predicting this earlier in the week and it was described as "Fiction".

August comes and it will be all about the schools.
Cases go up because schools are back but the kids won't be vaccinated twice, so we gotta keep those cases down. October-November comes and the months are getting colder. We can't have what happened last year, we need to save Christmas. Cases go up anyway. Then they'll have to decide on Christmas.

Come January and the cases in 4 figures, the over 80s and vulnerable will need their booster shots. Then the over 60s will need their boosters. Hold Firm folks, 2 more weeks.

Wash, rinse, repeat.


Of course the HSE Data hack will still be going and we'll have no idea how many people are actually dieing.

I thought it'd be August before the "protect return to school" talk would start but it's kicked off already. It was even in that letter sent to cabinet earlier in the week.

Fils

namloc1980 wrote: »

Some amount of doom from that briefing. 4.1m vaccine doses administered and less than a bus full of people in hospital, we should be in a brilliant place. Tony talking about restrictions/lockdowns and the need to protect return to school. Absolute doom merchants.

Good news that a new group is being set up for antigen testing. Another group of people to pay out high salaries to.

RobertKK

Does NPHET factor in how the restrictions they call for have affected mental health and the increase in severe cases in this area when they make their recommendations.
I suspect the death toll from this is much higher than normal over the past year.
I expect their modelling does not reflect this.