Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

normanoffside

Delta Force!

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1410699562961051652

Deusexmachina

It is so sinister how the messaging is being manipulated by Gov now.
They took a hiding yesterday and so now they have unleashed the dogs of doom to regain the moral high ground.

We are all doomed, doomed.

Richard Hillman

normanoffside wrote: »

Delta Force!

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1410699562961051652

Don't worry, we will be having our Pilot Test events then.

Fils

Deusexmachina wrote: »

It is so sinister how the messaging is being manipulated by Gov now.
They took a hiding yesterday and so now they have unleashed the dogs of doom to regain the moral high ground.

We are all doomed, doomed.

We are at start of fourth wave

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40327340.html

Zebra3

normanoffside wrote: »

From about 1:18 here

https://twitter.com/roinnslainte/status/1410625910190100480

They always do outdoor press conferences?

I assume it’s outdoors as nobody is wearing any masks. Odd that the signer is so close to two other people and none of the three of them are wearing masks do such a long time period. For a group of people who love pontificating, they sure seem to set a poor example.

gozunda

MOH wrote: »

Have you had an oul' read yourself?

I have indeed

MOH wrote: »

You do realise that the reference to relaxation of measures in place is a generalisation across the EU?
It's not saying that nowhere in the EU should relax any measure?

I didnt make any statement about that one way or the other. I understand the report is a general one for the whole of the EU / EEA

I believe the pertinent issue was the modelled outcomes with regard to the Delta variant over the next couple of months.So yeah its not just Tony's mad projections or whatever as has been variously suggested.

stephenjmcd

bucketybuck wrote: »

Talk about deja vu...

A few weeks ago we got responses exactly like that whenever we pointed out all the kites flying for a delay to indoor hospitality. "What kites? There are no kites, conspiracy loons, you are making it up!"

Now we can see the kites for further delays justifed by schools reopening, by flu season approaching, by the dangers of christmas and still all we hear is "What kites? There are no kites, conspiracy loons, you are making it up!"

It is unreal how so many cannot see what is in front of their faces, cannot see what absolute mugs they are being made off by a select few people in power. But there are none so blind as those who do not want to see, same as it ever was.

Read the post I was replying to that said we're going into an immediate Big lockdown. Then read my reply to ask what lockdown and if you want to listen back to the press conference because as usual your one from the Independent got her soundbite even though she was corrected straight after by Dr Glynn, he knows all about it I'm sure because she took his words out of context a couple of months ago as well and ran a headline on it.

So yeah what big immediate lockdown are we going into ?

Allinall

aziz wrote: »

If I thought for one minute that they were laughing at the chaos they have caused for the thousands of children making their communion and confirmations and the grief that the parents are going through,then I wouldn’t be responsible for my actions

Grief?

Exaggerate much?

normanoffside

Zebra3 wrote: »

They always do outdoor press conferences?

I assume it’s outdoors as nobody is wearing any masks. Odd that the signer is so close to two other people and none of the three of them are wearing masks do such a long time period. For a group of people who love pontificating, they sure seem to set a poor example.

Nope it's indoors

normanoffside

For a country with the tightest restrictions in Europe we are actually doing terribly in terms of case numbers as the latest ECDC maps show.





Look at all those countries with crowds at Euro Matches- all green- meanwhile we can't have matches or indoor activities and we are miles off being greeen.

Hego Damask

I see WHO are "concerned" about the rise in Cv19 cases across Europe and are blaming the Euro matches.
Will be interesting to see how many hospitalizations lead on from this - not many I'd say, but don't think THAT will be headline news ..

Lumen

normanoffside wrote: »

For a country with the tightest restrictions in Europe we are actually doing terribly in terms of case numbers as the latest ECDC maps show.

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Look at all those countries with crowds at Euro Matches- all green- meanwhile we can't have matches or indoor activities and we are miles off being greeen.

This will help explain it.

RobitTV

I'm beyond tired of my fully vaccinated relatives complaining about the virus numbers and the delta variant. Time and time again you try and explain to them that the vaccines are breaking the link between cases / hospitalizations / deaths

But they won't have any of it. They are bitching constantly about the pubs being open and they want them shut for good. They are angry about the summer crowds around the place. "Too many people around it's ridiculous"

They are furious about the football crowds in Europe. They are bitching about the tiny amounts of people travelling abroad. The pubs are getting slaughtered by my relatives. It's all pubs, pubs and pubs.

"The cases are surging in England, this is getting out of control, we need to shut the pubs before the variant arrives"

The media fear campaign has caused this. Shame on them.

Zebra3

normanoffside wrote: »

Nope it's indoors

So our medical experts have a press conference indoors for, what was it, well over an hour? No masks and people right next to each other.

Is this not a little odd, to put it mildly?

_Kaiser_

Given NPHET's "performance" at the start of this week, I would advise taking ANYTHING they say or present going forward with a truck load of salt.

Just like the infamous "worry-o-meter" previously, and Tony's arrogance when even slightly challenged, there is very obviously an agenda at play with them.

I'm "sure" it's pure coincidence that only 2 days after they got their asses handed to them in the media and by the public generally that they've latched onto this new round of "concern", veiled threats of renewed restrictions, and scaremongering :rolleyes:

Whether it's the usual ass-covering to deflect from incompetence, or Tony furthering his anti-alcohol crusade, or just trying to keep themselves relevant after so dramatically shooting themselves in both feet, the bottom line is you can't take anything from them at face value at this stage

Again, I would have thought that was obvious to even the most ardent supporters after this week, no?

Multipass

Fils wrote: »

We are at start of fourth wave

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-40327340.html

Quoting from the article:

‘Hospitalisation rates - which had previously been decreasing - have stabilised, raising concern there might be an increase over the coming weeks.

Prof Nolan confirmed that this was the beginning of a fourth wave, but said what was not yet known was how big the wave would be, and to what extent the wave would translate into hospitalisation.

“The two positives are that we are intervening at a point in social reopening contact where most of the contact is modest in size or outdoors so in comparison to other countries across Europe where there are higher levels of social mixing, we may see a smaller wave as a consequence,” he said.’


So there’s no increase yet, but it’s definitely a fourth wave. Oh and their dithering and delaying about easing restrictions may have saved the day and given us a smaller wave.
It’s puerile stuff at this stage, but will the public buy in and hail them as heroes? Only the next few weeks will tell...
Holding firm here.

MOR316

So the HSE or NPHET can’t quote death figures for months due to a "cyber attack" that has the system crippled.
The test and trace is pretty much non existent, but they have this amazing technology that's able to identify the origin of the cases in Waterford and it just so happens to have come from a pub...

Jesus Christ...They're not even trying anymore

normanoffside

normanoffside wrote: »

Delta Force!

https://twitter.com/PoliticsForAlI/status/1410699562961051652

The Brits are going live with it and let it rip through. The impact of the will be felt here. We should do the same given the geographical considerations.

If the health system is not up to scratch, that's not the public's or small business owners fault.

facehugger99

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

Given NPHET's "performance" at the start of this week, I would advise taking ANYTHING they say or present going forward with a truck load of salt.

Just like the infamous "worry-o-meter" previously, and Tony's arrogance when even slightly challenged, there is very obviously an agenda at play with them.

I'm "sure" it's pure coincidence that only 2 days after they got their asses handed to them in the media and by the public generally that they've latched onto this new round of "concern", veiled threats of renewed restrictions, and scaremongering :rolleyes:

Whether it's the usual ass-covering to deflect from incompetence, or Tony furthering his anti-alcohol crusade, or just trying to keep themselves relevant after so dramatically shooting themselves in both feet, the bottom line is you can't take anything from them at face value at this stage

Again, I would have thought that was obvious to even the most ardent supporters after this week, no?

'Project Fear' seems to have worked well for them in the past - will it work now?

Who knows?

The majority of the population have shown themselves to be very easily cowed and controlled - I have no faith in them to see through this very obvious manipulation.

maxamillius

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I don't think there is any excuse to not take the vaccine. (Apart from medical condition) If you don't take the vaccine, you have no right to complain about lockdowns. They are a bigger problem than Tony Holohan.

Genuinely interested to know why you think that? I’m 36, fit and healthy. If I get the vaccine, I can still catch covid and also still transmit it, please tell me the benefit of taking it?
I probably will end up getting it and the only reason will be because I feel pressured into it so that I can travel freely.
And I know of two people both living in the UK, both in there early 30s, one is fully vaxed, one has had first dose, both now have covid, and believe it if not the fully vaxed person is in a it’s state then the single vaxed person, partner of single vaxed person had covid previously and has tested negative this time.

Multipass

Btw where are all the posters that were making fun of the ‘doom merchants’ now?
Gone very quiet.

Klonker

Really getting pissed off with NPHET on antigen testing. What trials do they want to prove they work? Of course its going to pick up less cases than a test that can still pick up cases months later.

MOR316

Deleted User wrote: »

I don't think there is any excuse to not take the vaccine. (Apart from medical condition) If you don't take the vaccine, you have no right to complain about lockdowns. They are a bigger problem than Tony Holohan.

Well no...

As I said yesterday, my friend had a bleed on the brain some years back. He won't take the AZ vaccine due to one of the rare side effects being blood cloths. He also wants to travel to a country that doesn't accept people who have taken the AZ vaccine. He wants to wait for Pfizer. That's totally understandable

So yes, some people do have a right to complain. It's not all black and white

_Kaiser_

Multipass wrote: »

Btw where are all the posters that were making fun of the ‘doom merchants’ now?
Gone very quiet.

The attitudes this week, in the face of Tuesday's events, remind me of this classic scene from Star Trek The Next Generation...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wU77k-xqd4

You could also substitute that Principal Skinner "am I so out of touch?" scene if preferred!

MOR316

Footage from the NPHET meeting earlier in the week

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5BR8wmYq8c

daydorunrun

Saw part of an interview with the CMO earlier and reading between the lines the real concern is our health service and it’s inability to cope with even a slight up tick in hospitalisations.
Our hospitals are heaving under the weight of massive waiting lists for non-covid care and this is a huge factor in recommendations on reopening.
He used a 3% figure in relation to cases translating to hospitalisation. They can cope at 3% of 500 cases, but they can’t cope with much higher.
I think I remember reading before that full reopening can’t happen until these waiting lists are addressed. We’ve been pumping money into a broken health service for years and now it’s biting us all on the ass.

PTH2009

daydorunrun wrote: »

Saw part of an interview with the CMO earlier and reading between the lines the real concern is our health service and it’s inability to cope with even a slight up tick in hospitalisations.
Our hospitals are heaving under the weight of massive waiting lists for non-covid care and this is a huge factor in recommendations on reopening.
He used a 3% figure in relation to cases translating to hospitalisation. They can cope at 3% of 500 cases, but they can’t cope with much higher.
I think I remember reading before that full reopening can’t happen until these waiting lists are addressed. We’ve been pumping money into a broken health service for years and now it’s biting us all on the ass.

While the € are flowing in for those part of the downfall

bear1

Klonker wrote: »

Really getting pissed off with NPHET on antigen testing. What trials do they want to prove they work? Of course its going to pick up less cases than a test that can still pick up cases months later.

It's pretty simple. They are the dark horsemen.
They simply can't stand the idea of normality being resumed.
Just wait until the removal of masks is being coined.

Baggly

Multipass wrote: »

Btw where are all the posters that were making fun of the ‘doom merchants’ now?
Gone very quiet.

Mod

Focus on posts, not posters. Thanks.

gozunda

normanoffside wrote: »

For a country with the tightest restrictions in Europe we are actually doing terribly in terms of case numbers as the latest ECDC maps show.



Look at all those countries with crowds at Euro Matches- all green- meanwhile we can't have matches or indoor activities and we are miles off being greeen.

Dunno maybe because doing terribly in terms of case numbers we've got restrictions?

or Is it partially because we share an open border with a country euphemistically called "plague island" (by people in the UK)

Or we don't have matches because we're not green and they are - so they do?

Its getting very confudling tbf ..