Relaxation of Restrictions, Part XII *Read OP For Mod Warnings*

gozunda

LeeroyJ. wrote: »

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1410586796111667201?s=20


67% 1-Dose would put us ahead of Israel, the UK and the US and 45% 2-Dose is about equal to the US and the UK. Kind of mad that we still have one of the strictest lockdowns in the western world. You have to applaud the vaccine effort, but it raises the question as to what exactly is the endgame here

Just my own opinion - but I think its to get as many fully vaccinated as possible. And thankfully that's within sight.

gozunda

gozunda wrote: »

Nope. Not at all and not the case - it would appear that the general gist of the critics here was that Data was presented to cabinet without that information included or modelled.

Here's just one example



So I'll leave the rest of your comment there as its not relevant

Gozunda:

Has there been a single ban or prohibition on any business, sector, or activity since March 2020 that you have not supported?

Fils

Outdoor dining will be a great success with all the rain forecast.

Murph85

Wait till the pup starts being cut... I also hope the budget reality has to hit from this budget...

is_that_so

MOH wrote: »

Well the Minister for Health requested an analysis of tweets by the Department of Health to see why he wasn't being mentioned in departmental tweets when others such as Tony Holohan, NPHET, and the Minister for Education were.

In January.

In the middle of the most serious pandemic "hurricane" to date.
So that tells you all you need to know about his priorities.

Well that was because people were listening to the Minister for Higher Education!

Ballynally

0lddog wrote: »

Anyone listen to BBC R4 'World at One' today ?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sounds/play/m000xfgz

Skip to around 18:45

The Brits have finally got it !

You hardly hear any voice like that on the radio here.
There used to be a few in the beginning.
I would however, not say the Brits have got it but there is at least a bigger segment occupied with voicing opposition.
Over here people like that will just be put in the 'fringe bin'.

TefalBrain

jammiedodgers wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DrHaroldNews/status/1410271048667369473

For flip sake, these idiots are governing us.

Murph85

Murph85 wrote: »

Wait till the pup starts being cut... I also hope the budget reality has to hit from this budget...

Yes when people feel it in their pocket , as someone said could we be the next Greece. We are some basket case for sure.

FileNotFound

So the UK which is open (very open) and having mass crowd events is at 67% first dose and 49% second dose with most people having been vaccinated with AZ which is the least effective of the vaccines. (Figures from google today)

Yet Ireland remains closed at 66% first dose and 43% second dose - with many of these vaccinated with more effective mRNA vaccines. (Figures from the Irish Times 3 days ago)

We also have a much lower population density.


Funny how the UK is not overwhelmed isn't it.

agoodpunt

TefalBrain wrote: »

For flip sake, these idiots are governing us.

At least he is awake or just woken up

Sobit1964

FileNotFound wrote: »

So the UK which is open (very open) and having mass crowd events is at 67% first dose and 49% second dose with most people having been vaccinated with AZ which is the least effective of the vaccines. (Figures from google today)

Yet Ireland remains closed at 66% first dose and 43% second dose - with many of these vaccinated with more effective mRNA vaccines. (Figures from the Irish Times 3 days ago)

We also have a much lower population density.


Funny how the UK is not overwhelmed isn't it.

The UK is showing the way out of this - and despite a pause to see what delta had in store [pretty much nothing], should be onto full freedom day soon.

Ireland this summer got it badly wrong, those who support every measure uncritically also got it badly wrong.

If you feel compelled to post some worldometers or ourworldindata charts showing how the UK killed all their grannies at a frightening rate.... please don't - its got nothing to do with the current sensible rolling back of social control measures

funnydoggy

FileNotFound wrote: »

So the UK which is open (very open) and having mass crowd events is at 67% first dose and 49% second dose with most people having been vaccinated with AZ which is the least effective of the vaccines. (Figures from google today)

Yet Ireland remains closed at 66% first dose and 43% second dose - with many of these vaccinated with more effective mRNA vaccines. (Figures from the Irish Times 3 days ago)

We also have a much lower population density.


Funny how the UK is not overwhelmed isn't it.

When it's put that way, it really shows how good we are doing.

OwenM

Sobit1964 wrote: »

The UK is showing the way out of this - and despite a pause to see what delta had in store [pretty much nothing], should be onto full freedom day soon.

Ireland this summer got it badly wrong, those who support every measure uncritically also got it badly wrong.

If you feel compelled to post some worldometers or ourworldindata charts showing how the UK killed all their grannies at a frightening rate.... please don't - its got nothing to do with the current sensible rolling back of social control measures

Only graph you need, from the Guardian:

MOH

MOH wrote: »

Well the Minister for Health requested an analysis of tweets by the Department of Health to see why he wasn't being mentioned in departmental tweets when others such as Tony Holohan, NPHET, and the Minister for Education were.

In January.

In the middle of the most serious pandemic "hurricane" to date.
So that tells you all you need to know about his priorities.

So it’s all just a popularity contest on social media. Pathetic when the country is on its knees.

ACitizenErased

2 deaths in Northern Ireland in June.
https://twitter.com/vincekearney/status/1410600134648352769?s=20

Butson

ACitizenErased wrote: »

2 deaths in Northern Ireland in June.
https://twitter.com/vincekearney/status/1410600134648352769?s=20

I don't mean to be flippant or rude, but more people probably died sitting on the toilet.

Getting there!

https://twitter.com/FergalBowers/status/1410599174962249737

Jinglejangle69

So MM is doubling down saying its the correct decision.

KrustyUCC

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

So MM is doubling down saying its the correct decision.

Yup he just keeps digging and digging

MOR316

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

So MM is doubling down saying its the correct decision.

He's not going to say it's the wrong decision...

I mean, it quite clearly is the wrong decision and themselves and NPHET have made an absolute balls of the whole thing but, he's not going to admit it and never will.

He gets incredibly defensive in press conferences if someone pushes him on a very innocent question

0lddog

Jinglejangle69 wrote: »

So MM is doubling down saying its the correct decision.

Is it true that they decided this at a meeting at 2am ?

MrMusician18

MOR316 wrote: »

He's not going to say it's the wrong decision...

I mean, it quite clearly is the wrong decision and themselves and NPHET have made an absolute balls of the whole thing but, he's not going to admit it and never will.

He gets incredibly defensive in press conferences if someone pushes him on a very innocent question

What is the wrong decision? To slow down the opening of indoor dining for 2.5 weeks? In the grand scheme of things it's not even in the same league of some of the decisions made to date in terms of impact on the population.

timmyntc

MrMusician18 wrote: »

What is the wrong decision? To slow down the opening of indoor dining for 2.5 weeks? In the grand scheme of things it's not even in the same league of some of the decisions made to date in terms of impact on the population.

Its not 2.5 weeks though - in 2.5 weeks they will "have a plan".
They have halted our entire reopening, one that was already one of the slowest in Europe, based on models & predictions we now know to be totally unfit for purpose and inaccurate!

How could that be the right decision?

CalamariFritti

charlie14 wrote: »

Except of course people have been building up their innate immunity to colds each winter since Adam was a young lad and it has not been worth a damn when it came to immunity from Covid-19.


What would your estimate for the lenght of time it would take to build up innate immunity to Covid-19 and the corresponding yearly deaths ?

So of its not worth a damn how come the vast majority of people are actually unaffected by covid or have mild symptoms only?

I cant claim its its because of other corona viruses and pre-existing immunity from them because who knows so how can I know. But there has to be something at play.

MOR316

MrMusician18 wrote: »

What is the wrong decision? To slow down the opening of indoor dining for 2.5 weeks? In the grand scheme of things it's not even in the same league of some of the decisions made to date in terms of impact on the population.

But it's not 2.5 weeks.
The Government have even said it won't be 2.5 weeks.
This has been explained countless times to you and you just end up trying to insult the posters who do explain it or label them "disingenuous"

I'm not arsed getting involved with you

Responder XY

MrMusician18 wrote: »

What is the wrong decision? To slow down the opening of indoor dining for 2.5 weeks? In the grand scheme of things it's not even in the same league of some of the decisions made to date in terms of impact on the population.

I don't think they could have agreed to proceed with the opening, but they should have sent Nepht home and told them to do better with the analysis. It is very apparent that they were presented with information that was not fit for purpose, the cabinet should have recognised that and postponed the decision. Appreciate that it would not be ideal for hospitality to not have certainty, so maybe a short postponement was required given the timeline, but in that case Nphet should have been publicly hung out to dry as being 100% responsible for that. Resignations should have been sought and if not received dismissal for incompetence should happen.

Some people have always accused people who are against restrictions as being "far right", one thing most people don't seem to know is that John waters, Dave Cullen, Justin Barrett and many more far right figures in Ireland were the very first people to hype up covid very early in 2020 and were calling for the airports to be closed. They thought it was a golden opportunity for Ireland to return to their wet dream of 1950s when people seldom left the parish let alone the country.

MrMusician18

MrMusician18 wrote: »

What is the wrong decision? To slow down the opening of indoor dining for 2.5 weeks? In the grand scheme of things it's not even in the same league of some of the decisions made to date in terms of impact on the population.

So you believe that in 2.5 weeks time, a few million "vaccine passes" will have been issued and every pub and restaurant in the country will have a device installed to read them? 🤣🤣🤣🤣

Jinglejangle69

Is Gemma o Doherty actually sane???

MrMusician18

timmyntc wrote: »

Its not 2.5 weeks though - in 2.5 weeks they will "have a plan".
They have halted our entire reopening, one that was already one of the slowest in Europe, based on models & predictions we now know to be totally unfit for purpose and inaccurate!

How could that be the right decision?

The 19th July is the date the government have proposed to have the EU green cert available. It is almost certainly going to be repurposed to allow indoor dining for the vaccinated on or near that date. That is unless updated modelling shows that the next wave will be less severe, then they will relax instead.

Even if indoor dining was restricted for the rest of the summer, the decision would not be within an asses roar of the previous severe restrictions in terms of inconvenience or cost.