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EU Digital/paper! Certs, the Megathread - threadbans in OP

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  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Regional North Mods, Regional West Moderators Posts: 81,234 Mod ✭✭✭✭ biko


    The White House says it’s up to the private sector to develop vaccine passports and the government is not viewing its role as the place to create a passport or a place to hold the data of citizens.
    White House Press Secretary Jen Psaki said in a separate briefing Monday there will be no centralized federal vaccination database, and no federal mandate requiring a single vaccination credential.
    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2021-03-29/vaccine-passport-push-to-come-from-private-sector-officials-say

    What? It is the government's responsibility to oversee the scope and handing of such passports.
    If not it will be just like state level gun permits, which is a mess for another thread.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,140 ✭✭✭✭ is_that_so


    Spain saying they expect vaccine passports in the EU will be ready by June.
    Spain expects digital vaccine certificates to ease travel within the European Union will be ready in June at the latest, foreign minister Arancha Gonzalez Laya has said.


    https://www.rte.ie/news/coronavirus/2021/0331/1207123-coronavirus-global/


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,902 ✭✭✭✭ Gael23


    I’m sure NOHET have other plans. It won’t work if governments or unelected officials can impose additional restrictions


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,902 ✭✭✭✭ Gael23


    Any more news on this


  • Registered Users Posts: 27,465 ✭✭✭✭ drunkmonkey


    From the Times this morning..

    Leo Varadkar has confirmed the Government is developing a “digital green certificate vaccine pass” for people to prove they have been fully inoculated.

    He said the Government would introduce “additional measures for the fully vaccinated, more freedoms for those who have been vaccinated”.
    Vaccinated will be offered additional freedoms, says Varadkar (via @IrishTimes) https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/vaccinated-will-be-offered-additional-freedoms-says-varadkar-1.4529990

    I'm curious to know how far they'll take this or can they even legally do it.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 20,149 ✭✭✭✭ pjohnson


    Random word salad title aside the actual idea sounds good.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,175 ✭✭✭ Sanjuro


    What do you really expect from this if you title your thread like that?


  • Registered Users Posts: 862 ✭✭✭ FlubberJones


    So that means the over 70s will be able to travel quicker and enjoy a "more active life" than the younger people awaiting the vaccine... brilliant.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,670 ✭✭✭ Jim_Hodge


    All for a proof that you've been vaccinated. As for more freedoms for the vaccinated, Great idea.


    Is that what you want OP?


    #StupidThread.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,538 CMod ✭✭✭✭ faceman


    Great news, finally recognition for the vaccines doing their job.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,608 ✭✭✭ gctest50


    So that means the over 70s will be able to travel quicker and enjoy a "more active life" than the younger people awaiting the vaccine... brilliant.

    The government has to reward the guinea pigs so they'll be twice as willing next pandemic


  • Registered Users Posts: 103 ✭✭ PringleDemon


    Sheep :mad:


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,140 ✭✭✭✭ is_that_so


    pjohnson wrote: »
    Word salad title aside the actual idea sounds good.
    Unless you're someone who can't avail of it but if people have embraced the idea of mandatory quarantine so this one will go down very well. Very hard to see how this will work, apart from maybe travel and just as easy to see it generate a lot of tension especially if it used as a means of exclusion.


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,389 ✭✭✭✭ bucketybuck


    If we are all going to be vaccinated within a few months, then why do we need all these "vaccine passport" type measures?

    Why are we implementing costly and long term measures for something that should be managed in a few months time?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,404 ✭✭✭ Padre_Pio


    It won't happen.

    Sounds like a decent idea, but it's a government project.
    It'll be a year before it's ready and at that stage no one will care.


  • Registered Users, Subscribers Posts: 47,078 ✭✭✭✭ Zaph


    So that means the over 70s will be able to travel quicker and enjoy a "more active life" than the younger people awaiting the vaccine... brilliant.

    What have you got against over 70s? Lockdown hasn't exactly been a bundle of joy for them either you know? Why shouldn't they be able to take advantage of having been vaccinated while the programme works its way through the rest of the population?


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,140 ✭✭✭✭ is_that_so


    If we are all going to be vaccinated within a few months, then why do we need all these "vaccine passport" type measures?

    Why are we implementing costly and long term measures for something that should be managed in a few months time?
    The passports are effectively to get tourism back up and running in Europe. Some are looking to Israel and how they seem to be using them, more as a means of helping other industries than for the good of science.


  • Registered Users Posts: 514 ✭✭✭ 10pennymixup


    I'm up for the "irish Apartheid" if it means Gemma Doherty and her ilk are shipped off to Robin Island for life hard labour.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,171 ✭✭✭ wadacrack


    If we are all going to be vaccinated within a few months, then why do we need all these "vaccine passport" type measures?

    Why are we implementing costly and long term measures for something that should be managed in a few months time?

    Not everyone wants to be vaccinated. The idea of needing a vaccine passport to enter certain settings is a worrying one.

    It should be a choice at this stage. I'm not against vaccines and will be happy to take this one when available but the option should be their.

    This could set a precedent in the future that would lead to Governments gaining more control, and power from people.

    The problem is now that stating such a thing almost makes you morally inferior in some people's eyes.

    Its important to understand both sides of the argument.


  • Subscribers Posts: 37,319 ✭✭✭✭ sydthebeat


    Excellent idea.

    Works great in other countries that have already brought it in.

    There is literally no downside.
    Economy can open quicker, elderly and most vulnerable can get back out socially quicker....
    Normality returns quicker


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  • Subscribers Posts: 37,319 ✭✭✭✭ sydthebeat


    wadacrack wrote: »
    Not everyone wants to be vaccinated. The idea of needing a vaccine passport to enter certain settings is a worrying one.

    It should be a choice at this stage. I'm not against vaccines and will be happy to take this one when available but the option should be their.

    This could set a precedent in the future that would lead to Governments gaining more control, and power from people.

    The problem is now that stating such a thing almost makes you morally inferior in some people's eyes.

    Its important to understand both sides of the argument.

    Of course it's a choice

    But with every choice theres an upside and downside.

    If you choose not to do something for the benefit of the wider society, and to put more vulnerable people at risk, there needs to be a downside to that choice.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,439 ✭✭✭ prunudo


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Excellent idea.

    Works great in other countries that have already brought it in.

    There is literally no downside.
    Economy can open quicker, elderly and most vulnerable can get back out socially quicker....
    Normality returns quicker

    So you're happy with the idea of pregnant women never being allowed to holiday again?


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,140 ✭✭✭✭ is_that_so


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Excellent idea.

    Works great in other countries that have already brought it in.

    There is literally no downside.
    Economy can open quicker, elderly and most vulnerable can get back out socially quicker....
    Normality returns quicker
    Up to 30% may not have such passports and just what are we going to do about the kids? Could be lots of unintended consequences to changing a voluntary vaccination programme into a mandatory one. That's one extra thing to bring with you when you do the weekly shop.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,989 ✭✭✭ FileNotFound


    Seems like a nice story to get a few people riled up, even if it were real, the odds of an effective system in place before majority vaccination is hard to see.

    Just a thought but would this allow a restaurant for example to have an area with less social distancing (for use with vaccinated people) while having greater space in the remaining parts?

    Either way, won't be ready before its redundant.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,171 ✭✭✭ wadacrack


    sydthebeat wrote: »
    Of course it's a choice

    But with every choice theres an upside and downside.

    If you choose not to do something for the benefit of the wider society, and to put more vulnerable people at risk, there needs to be a downside to that choice.

    The more vulnerable will be vaccinated and all evidence suggests that they will be protected from serious illness.


  • Subscribers Posts: 37,319 ✭✭✭✭ sydthebeat


    prunudo wrote: »
    So you're happy with the idea of pregnant women never being allowed to holiday again?

    Never??


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,989 ✭✭✭ FileNotFound


    prunudo wrote: »
    So you're happy with the idea of pregnant women never being allowed to holiday again?

    Sure they won't be pregnant for ever haha


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,677 ✭✭✭ Happydays2020


    So that means the over 70s will be able to travel quicker and enjoy a "more active life" than the younger people awaiting the vaccine... brilliant.

    Agree. It is a brilliant idea.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators Posts: 16,538 CMod ✭✭✭✭ faceman


    prunudo wrote: »
    So you're happy with the idea of pregnant women never being allowed to holiday again?

    Thats not going to happen. Sheesh

    People are so dumb


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  • Subscribers Posts: 37,319 ✭✭✭✭ sydthebeat


    wadacrack wrote: »
    The more vulnerable will be vaccinated and all evidence suggests that they will be protected from serious illness.

    Not everyone can be vaccinated


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