Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

Psychiatric Patrick · 25-10-2020 12:59PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Prob not a good idea to get the Guards involved.

If you have any relationship with your siblings ask them to socially distance if your mother is vulnerable and to keep the house ventilated when there.

The isolation involved in lock downs is really difficult for people. And the best thing they can do is to follow the safest practices while there (short of not going at all).

My relationship with those siblings terrible. They hardly ever visit and know know it is too much for my mother so I don’t understand why they are coming at all. It is like it is a reaction to being told by the government that they cannot.

My father had a less of a clue than I do. He only told me they were coming just before I posted. It was okay during the first lockdown because he was scared. I think he needs another fright.

They will be here five minutes and my mother will be asking when they leaving.

Risteard81 · 25-10-2020 01:01PM

amadangomor wrote: »

They should have the cop on to stay away from indoor public places and online shop.

Why shouldn't they exercise their right to shop? Do you believe that discrimination is virtuous?

And where do these made up "laws" and "regulations" justify your unlawful discriminatory attitude?

Psychiatric Patrick · 25-10-2020 01:02PM

mloc123 wrote: »

Sorry. I thought you were acting dumb on here for a wind up.

You apparently have difficulty with reading and comprehension so not wise to call other people “dumb”

majcos · 25-10-2020 01:04PM

Risteard81 wrote: »

What about people who are exempt?

Very very few people are really exempt. The only group that is truly exempt is those who do not understand why they are wearing a mask and would therefore be distressed by it, for example someone with special needs or cognitive impairment. Exemptions include someone who is unconscious or incapacitated and someone who is unable to remove it without help. I believe this in case those groups vomit and then they might aspirate their own vomit or could choke.

HSE website also mentions face mask is not recommended for those who have trouble breathing. I do not understand this one. Masks can definitely be very uncomfortable but masks do not cause a actual drop in oxygen levels. I understand there might be an occasional exception but that could be addressed on an individual basis.

For those with pre-existing trouble breathing to such a degree that they cannot wear a mask for a few minutes and for the other groups mentioned above, surely they should be cocooning as much as possible and not going to shops. There should be very few exemptions.

Masks are to protect others from the wearer so I think the shops might have the right to refuse admission if they themselves felt uncomfortable with a non mask wearer entering the premises.

Stheno · 25-10-2020 01:08PM

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1320209842859134977?s=19

New Princeton study indicates children are a factor in spreading the virus

Loafing Oaf · 25-10-2020 01:11PM

Stheno wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1320209842859134977?s=19

New Princeton study indicates children are a factor in spreading the virus

"Much more important" than previously suspected? Or than people in general?

cameramonkey · 25-10-2020 01:14PM

If 2000 people have been told to do their own test and trace how can we say that the average number of close contacts has been 4.4. They do not know how many close contact those 2000 have had.

https://www.thejournal.ie/the-most-common-number-of-close-contacts-identified-in-ireland-is-now-3-5244669-Oct2020/

amadangomor · 25-10-2020 01:16PM

Risteard81 wrote: »

Why shouldn't they exercise their right to shop? Do you believe that discrimination is virtuous?

And where do these made up "laws" and "regulations" justify your unlawful discriminatory attitude?

There is a pandemic incase you haven't noticed :rolleyes:

People's right to health is far more important to someone's right to shop. Especially when there are online alternatives.

No mask people will mean staying in fecking level 5 for longer, no thanks. Wear a mask when you are around other people or stay away if you can't manage that.

Happydays2020 · 25-10-2020 01:18PM

Stheno wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1320209842859134977?s=19

New Princeton study indicates children are a factor in spreading the virus

That study Is rubbish or Ireland is different. The Deputy CMO set out the other day that there are no problems with schools and infections despite the fact that it defies all logic.

Big group of people (who are unlikely to be showing symptoms unlike the flu or colds) from 30 separate households hang out together for 6 hours per day in close surroundings, then they visit inter-generational homes for the other 14 hours having meals together etc, then repeat. Sure what could go wrong....

speckle · 25-10-2020 01:19PM

majcos wrote: »

Very very few people are really exempt. The only group that is truly exempt is those who do not understand why they are wearing a mask and would therefore be distressed by it, for example someone with special needs or cognitive impairment. Exemptions include someone who is unconscious or incapacitated and someone who is unable to remove it without help. I believe this in case those groups vomit and then they might aspirate their own vomit or could choke.

HSE website also mentions face mask is not recommended for those who have trouble breathing. I do not understand this one. Masks can definitely be very uncomfortable but masks do not cause a actual drop in oxygen levels. I understand there might be an occasional exception but that could be addressed on an individual basis.

For those with pre-existing trouble breathing to such a degree that they cannot wear a mask for a few minutes and for the other groups mentioned above, surely they should be cocooning as much as possible and not going to shops. There should be very few exemptions.

Masks are to protect others from the wearer so I think the shops might have the right to refuse admission if they themselves felt uncomfortable with a non mask wearer entering the premises.

Say that to people who have asthma attacks triggered by hot and humid conditions or those including hospital staff that have allergic reactions to some of the materials and how they are treated. They maybe in the minority both dont discount them at a drop of a hat.
Some interesting scientific research papers on those minority hospital workers, and have a look at comments on asthma websites, before judging people. Some people with asthma can wear them, others not.

Very easy to day just cocoon, when supports have decreased for those people and services closing due to funding issues which will only get worse if a recession appears.

And if staff taking precautions and everyone else in the public why shouldnt a person who is exempt be not allowed?

is_that_so · 25-10-2020 01:19PM

amadangomor wrote: »

There is a pandemic incase you haven't noticed :rolleyes:

People's right to health is far more important to someone's right to shop. Especially when there are online alternatives.

No mask people will mean staying in fecking level 5 for longer, no thanks. Wear a mask when you are around other people or stay away if you can't manage that.

Unless you imagine policing people's homes is runner that's a silly comment. It's the close contacts and the number of them that is doing it, not the lack of masks.

mloc123 · 25-10-2020 01:20PM

Psychiatric Patrick wrote: »

You apparently have difficulty with reading and comprehension so not wise to call other people “dumb”

Well, if that is your attitude... It is pretty obvious from your posts that your aren't the sharpest

Grow some balls and stop acting like a child. If you don't want your siblings visiting, tell them.

khalessi · 25-10-2020 01:20PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

That study Is rubbish or Ireland is different. The Deputy CMO set out the other day that there are no problems with schools and infections despite the fact that it defies all logic.

Big group of people (who are unlikely to be showing symptoms unlike the flu or colds) from 30 separate households hang out together for 6 hours per day in close surroundings, then they visit their homes for the other 14 hours having meals together etc, then repeat. Sure what could go wrong....

Study from Princeton, HSE won't read it as they only read European reports, which conveniently allows them ignore, that Princeton study, the South Korean study and the Indian study which all have shown children's role in transmission

Blondini · 25-10-2020 01:21PM

Stheno wrote: »

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1320209842859134977?s=19

New Princeton study indicates children are a factor in spreading the virus

It would be news to some on this thread that children are in fact human, with the same design of respiratory system as adults.

Ground-breaking stuff indeed for a minority.

is_that_so · 25-10-2020 01:22PM

khalessi wrote: »

Study from Princeton, HSE won't read it as they only read European reports, which conveniently allows them ignore, that Princeton study, the South Korean study and the Indian study which all have shown children's role in transmission

HSE say they have rates of about 2% in positivity to go on, that's real life data.

amadangomor · 25-10-2020 01:22PM

speckle wrote: »

Say that to people who have asthma attacks triggered by hot and humid conditions or those including hospital staff that have allergic reactions to some of the materials and how they are treated. They maybe in the minority both dont discount them at a drop of a hat.
Some interesting scientific research papers on those minority hospital workers, and have a look at comments on asthma websites, before judging people. Some people with asthma can wear them, others not.

Very easy to day just cocoon, when supports have decreased for those people and services closing due to funding issues which will only get worse if a recession appears.

And if staff taking precautions and everyone else in the public why shouldnt a person who is exempt be not allowed?

It's simple, masks protect people from this virus.

Not wearing a mask for whatever reason, great but don't go to a place where you will be around other people potentially infecting them.

Happydays2020 · 25-10-2020 01:23PM

is_that_so wrote: »

HSE say they have rates of about 2% in positivity to go on, that's real life data.

Are they doing serial testing in random schools to confirm that?!

Icyseanfitz · 25-10-2020 01:23PM

majcos wrote: »

It’s a large enough sample size to be able to make some inferences on positivity rates. Similar data on larger scale from other countries is giving the same results.

Its really not, other countries are admitting there is a problem with schools and transmission

khalessi · 25-10-2020 01:24PM

is_that_so wrote: »

HSE say they have rates of about 2% in positivity to go on, that's real life data.

Well the HSE wanted to test only a pod in a class with covid+ve student, teacher insisteed on whole class being tested and low and behold 7 more asymptomatic children turned up.

Don't test don't see.

amadangomor · 25-10-2020 01:24PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Unless you imagine policing people's homes is runner that's a silly comment. It's the close contacts and the number of them that is doing it, not the lack of masks.

I was talking about indoor public places, I never mentioned homes.

Nice whataboutery though.

is_that_so · 25-10-2020 01:24PM

Happydays2020 wrote: »

Are they doing serial testing in random schools to confirm that?!

You should ask them rather than posit something you're convinced they're doing wrong anyway.

GazzaL · 25-10-2020 01:25PM

Icyseanfitz wrote: »

Its really not, other countries are admitting there is a problem with schools and transmission

NPHET have manipulated our figures both through their policies (not considering children in the same classroom as positive cases to be close contacts) and their failures (completely ineffective contact tracing).

Charles Babbage · 25-10-2020 01:26PM

speckle wrote: »

Say that to people who have asthma attacks triggered by hot and humid conditions or those including hospital staff that have allergic reactions to some of the materials and how they are treated. They maybe in the minority both dont discount them at a drop of a hat.
Some interesting scientific research papers on those minority hospital workers, and have a look at comments on asthma websites, before judging people. Some people with asthma can wear them, others not.

Very easy to day just cocoon, when supports have decreased for those people and services closing due to funding issues which will only get worse if a recession appears.

And if staff taking precautions and everyone else in the public why shouldnt a person who is exempt be not allowed?

Masks are to protect others. It isn't rocket science, if you do not wear one, whatever your excuse, then do not enter public transport and buildings. A person unwilling to maintain hygiene should not have a job in a hospital. Partially sighted people are not allowed drive, whether or not this inconveniences them, because they would be a threat to everyone else. And a

amadangomor · 25-10-2020 01:26PM

mloc123 wrote: »

Well, if that is your attitude... It is pretty obvious from your posts that your aren't the sharpest

Grow some balls and stop acting like a child. If you don't want your siblings visiting, tell them.

Reported.

is_that_so · 25-10-2020 01:26PM

amadangomor wrote: »

I was talking about indoor public places, I never mentioned homes.

Nice whataboutery though.

Well now you know for the next time you go posting loose claims! No data to suggest that many such locations are high risk areas anyway.

mloc123 · 25-10-2020 01:27PM

khalessi wrote: »

Well the HSE wanted to test only a pod in a class with covid+ve student, teacher insisteed on whole class being tested and low and behold 7 more asymptomatic children turned up.

Don't test don't see.

So... There are people saying children aren't being tested, but then some people pointing out the rate of cases in that age group being high. The positivity rate is 2% in kids per NPHET.

So it can't be all three.

amadangomor · 25-10-2020 01:27PM

is_that_so wrote: »

Well now you know for the next time you go posting loose claims! No data to suggest that many such locations are high risk areas anyway.

:rolleyes:

mloc123 · 25-10-2020 01:27PM

amadangomor wrote: »

Reported.

You don't need to post to report... Just click the little icon

mloc123 · 25-10-2020 01:29PM

GazzaL wrote: »

NPHET have manipulated our figures both through their policies (not considering children in the same classroom as positive cases to be close contacts) and their failures (completely ineffective contact tracing).

What is the payoff for NHPET (not the government) to do that?

khalessi · 25-10-2020 01:29PM

mloc123 wrote: »

So... There are people saying children aren't being tested, but then some people pointing out the rate of cases in that age group being high. The positivity rate is 2% in kids per NPHET.

So it can't be all three.

HSE dont want cases in schools, they dont care if they turn up elsewhere, but the fact is there are asymptomatic children in schools not being tested because they are asymptomatic, so parents dont know and schools dont know. There is also unidentifibale community spread hmmm

Covid 19 Part XXVII- 62,002 ROI (1,915 deaths) 39,609 NI (724 deaths) (02/11) Read OP

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