Covid19 Part XVII-24,841 in ROI (1,639 deaths) 4,679 in NI (518 deaths)(28/05)Read OP

podgeandrodge

fr336 wrote: »

Have they tested every member of their nationwide staff to prove this was the case? Seeing as we're dealing with a virus which can kill some people but display no symptoms at all in others. And I assume those it would most likely kill would be on paid leave from these supermarkets (here in UK it's 12 weeks paid for vunerable people) so the 0.3% figure is slightly disingenous if you ask me.

Well I had mentioned earlier that in the USA/Canada, the United Food and Commercial Workers International Union, which represents approximately 1.3 million workers in the United States and Canada in industries including retail and meatpacking has recently concluded:

"According to the UFCW’s internal reports, there have been at least 72 worker deaths and 5,322 workers directly impacted among the UFCW’s 1.3 million members who work in grocery, retail, pharmacy, meatpacking, and other essential industries."


I calculate those figures as suggesting that 0.4% of their members in those industries have been directly impacted. Which isn't a lot different than the figures Lidl is quoting.

Plumbthedepths

Disappointed in the UK

http://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-disappearing-so-fast-oxford-vaccine-has-only-50-chance-of-working-11993739

Dr. Bre

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Even this thread isn’t as lively as it use to be . People getting bored now

More that most of the mouths in the restrictions thread I'd say.

Maestro85

Dr. Bre wrote: »

Even this thread isn’t as lively as it use to be . People getting bored now

Only 214 days til Christmas.:pac:

normanoffside

Penfailed wrote: »

A meat plant worker died in Co. Tyrone.

Is that the best you have?
I wasn’t talking about the 6 counties but since you mention it I will revise my statement
One meat plant or supermarket worker died in Co Tyrone in the last 3 months. The only one in the island of Ireland.
Proof positive that this virus deadly right there.

fritzelly

Plumbthedepths wrote: »

Disappointed in the UK

http://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-disappearing-so-fast-oxford-vaccine-has-only-50-chance-of-working-11993739

The only people disappointed are the ones hoping to make millions from a cure/vaccine

growleaves

davedanon wrote: »

No, we are not going to go bankrupt. Wealthy western democracies don't, as a rule. Especially not when everyone's in the same boat.

And tossing around terms like 'hyponchondriacs' and 'new normal tripe', in the midst of the biggest pandemic in a century.....well, it's not a good look, let's say.

Got living parents, have you? Aunties?

It isn't 'the biggest pandemic in a century'. Pandemics which killed millions of people took place in the second half of the 20th century - one in 1957, another in 1968.

Hype merchants like to promote comparisons to the Spanish Flu due to the scare factor.

Polar101

growleaves wrote: »

It isn't 'the biggest pandemic in a century'. Pandemics which killed millions of people took place in the second half of the 20th century - one in 1957, another in 1968

How many people will die from this one, so that we can reliably compare pandemics?

growleaves

Polar101 wrote: »

How many people will die from this one, so that we can reliably compare pandemics?

I can't predict the future with certainty. I can, however, recommend basic honesty. It isn't 'the biggest pandemic in a century' just because you dreamt that it killed more people than the 1968 pandemic (2 million dead).

Strazdas

growleaves wrote: »

It isn't 'the biggest pandemic in a century'. Pandemics which killed millions of people took place in the second half of the 20th century - one in 1957, another in 1968.

Hype merchants like to promote comparisons to the Spanish Flu due to the scare factor.

Pandemics aren't measured by how many people they kill though, it's more about how widespread they are. Covid-19 has been found in 188 countries.....no mean feat given how new it is.

growleaves

Strazdas wrote: »

Pandemics aren't measured by how many people they kill though, it's more about how widespread they are. Covid-19 has been found in 188 countries.....no mean feat given how new it is.

Hong Kong flu (1968-69) was found in 209 countries, hitting every continent.

Pandemics are measured by how deadly they are. Who doesn't care about the death toll and death rate? We've heard about little else lately.

Penfailed

normanoffside wrote: »

Is that the best you have?
I wasn’t talking about the 6 counties but since you mention it I will revise my statement

Is that the best I have?! What? I was just pointing out that there actually was a meat plant worker that had passed away in Ireland. How very partitionist of you.

growleaves

growleaves wrote: »

Hong Kong flu (1968-69) was found in 209 countries, hitting every continent.

Pandemics are measured by how deadly they are. Who doesn't care about the death toll and death rate? We've heard about little else lately.

You very well know that with the Hong Kong Flu, it was basically just allowed to burn, and it killed 100,000 in the US. SARS-CoV2 has already killed 100,000 in the states with lockdowns, social distancing etc.

Tony EH

Deleted User wrote: »

You very well know that with the Hong Kong Flu, it was basically just allowed to burn, and it killed 100,000 in the US. SARS-CoV2 has already killed 100,000 in the states with lockdowns, social distancing etc.

...and in a much, much shorter timeframe too.

beggars_bush

growleaves wrote: »

Hong Kong flu (1968-69) was found in 209 countries, hitting every continent.

Pandemics are measured by how deadly they are. Who doesn't care about the death toll and death rate? We've heard about little else lately.

Modern drugs
Modern ICU treatment
Early interventions (in most countries) to curb spread

growleaves

growleaves wrote: »

Hong Kong flu (1968-69) was found in 209 countries, hitting every continent.

Pandemics are measured by how deadly they are. Who doesn't care about the death toll and death rate? We've heard about little else lately.

COVID-19 has killed more people in the US than the Hong Kong flu. Come back in 10 years when COVID-19 is a distant memory and we can compare pandemics. As of now, it's a ll a bit... academic.

Boggles

growleaves wrote: »

Sorry but there's no such thing as data and science guiding us forward.

Fúcking Hell.

Yeah, we should use rock, paper, scissor.

growleaves

A disease which has killed 2 million people is deadlier than one that has killed less than 350k.

I wouldn't have thought this was particularly controversial.

Why does covid need to be hyped with dishonest slogans suggesting it is on a par with the the Spanish flu?

Futuristic speculations are not reality.

s1ippy

https://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/05/coronavirus-covid19-exposure-risk-catching-virus-germs


Some great advice here on spread indoors and outdoors.

growleaves

Tony EH wrote: »

...and in a much, much shorter timeframe too.

Wrong.

2 to 4 million dead over the course of two flu seasons in 1968-69.

On average a flu season lasts around 13 weeks.

growleaves

Boggles wrote: »

Fúcking Hell.

Yeah, we should use rock, paper, scissor.

Trying reading beyond first sentence.

Data cannot interpret itself therefore saying we should do what the data tells us to do is a meaningless statement.

Jim_Hodge

growleaves wrote: »

A disease which has killed 2 million people is deadlier than one that has killed less than 350k.

I wouldn't have thought this was particularly controversial.

Why does covid need to be hyped with dishonest slogans suggesting it is on a par with the the Spanish flu?

Futuristic speculations are not reality.

And you conveniently ignore preventative action versus the potential severity.

bb1234567

growleaves wrote: »

A disease which has killed 2 million people is deadlier than one that has killed less than 350k.

I wouldn't have thought this was particularly controversial.

Why does covid need to be hyped with dishonest slogans suggesting it is on a par with the the Spanish flu?

Futuristic speculations are not reality.

It has killed far more than 350,000, there is thought to be as many as 150 thousand unreported deaths in the UK, Italy and USA alone
https://www.businessinsider.com/actual-coronavirus-deaths-in-italy-us-higher-than-official-count-2020-5?r=US&IR=T

Mexico
Up to 15,000 unreported deaths
https://abc7.com/mexico-city-coronavirus-death-toll-covid-19-mexicans-against-corruptions-andres-manuel-lopez-obrador/6195406/

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-52223193
Iran deaths may be underreported by up to a factor of 4x, meaning 28,000 deaths there rather than 7000

We are up to nearly 200,000 unaccounted deaths just from those 5 countries.

Brazil again many tens of thousands unreported deaths for sure, China who knows how many???

Death toll could well be in the region of one million globally

growleaves

Jim_Hodge wrote: »

And you conveniently ignore preventative action versus the potential severity.

I'm not ignoring it. I'm saying you cannot count deaths that didn't happen as if they did happen. Do you not get that projections of things happening are not the same thing as reality?

wadacrack

https://twitter.com/ProfKarolSikora/status/1264840855938125824

growleaves

Deleted User wrote: »

COVID-19 has killed more people in the US than the Hong Kong flu. Come back in 10 years when COVID-19 is a distant memory and we can compare pandemics. As of now, it's a ll a bit... academic.

I was replying to a commenter making a hype-filled comparison which was totally unjustifiable, and in response to my response I've had more than one comment saying we can't compare pandemics.

If grossly-dishonest comparisons are going to be made on this thread, then I am going to bring in more down-to-earth comparisons. Complaints about the inexactness of the latter understandably leave me a little cold.

yourdeadwright

So what's everyone's thoughts on the latest photos/videos of Leo and his four mates sunbathing in Phoenix park yesterday,
I heard people say they where drinking but no proof of that in the photo's or video's

Will there be public outrage about nothing ?

bb1234567

yourdeadwright wrote: »

So what's everyone's thoughts on the latest photos/videos of Leo and his four mates sunbathing in Phoenix park yesterday,
I heard people say they where drinking but no proof of that in the photo's or video's

Will there be public outrage about nothing ?

I am hesistant to believe it is authentic, simply because it is filmed in Pheonix Park. Why would he pick a busy city centre park to act like that, knowing so many people would recognise him there

celt262

yourdeadwright wrote: »

So what's everyone's thoughts on the latest photos/videos of Leo and his four mates sunbathing in Phoenix park yesterday,
I heard people say they where drinking but no proof of that in the photo's or video's

Will there be public outrage about nothing ?

Shinner Bots will have a ball

AlmightyCushion

yourdeadwright wrote: »

So what's everyone's thoughts on the latest photos/videos of Leo and his four mates sunbathing in Phoenix park yesterday,
I heard people say they where drinking but no proof of that in the photo's or video's

Will there be public outrage about nothing ?

This is the first I have heard of this but what is wrong with him doing it? We're allowed to meet friends from different households outside now.