How will schools be able to go back in September?

wirelessdude01

average_runner wrote: »

If a second wave comes we probably lockdown but that be the end of the lockdowns. As a society we will have to move on.
More than 1 more lockdown and there be no money for Public Sector, just massive paycuts.

As I said all us teachers need and want is for the dept to do their job and provide workable and achievable guidelines for what is to happen in a scenario. They have been woefully inept so far. Schools just left to their own devices to try and find a way to muddle through. No leadership from them whatsoever.

We need these inorder to be able to plan for September at a local level. No point releasing them a few days before we are meant to be back which most of expect will probably happen. The Dept have form for dropping important information at the very last minute and then expecting schools to be able to implement straight away. The actual coalface is a hell of a lot different.

beggars_bush

average_runner wrote: »

If a second wave comes we probably lockdown but that be the end of the lockdowns. As a society we will have to move on.
More than 1 more lockdown and there be no money for Public Sector, just massive paycuts.

Probably
But first, let's hope everyone ensures that the virus numbers keep going down and that schools get some guidance on how to open

ldy4mxonucwsq6

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

What sport? I'm involved in GAA and we have been told to not expect any games for anyone under 16 and below. The SFAI have also said nothing until September at the earliest for training so I'm not quite sure where you are getting that viewpoint?

Teams can train together in a week's time if they want to.

By end of June sports events can start back up behind closed doors. In July competitions and matches can resume, with limited spectators.

Come August Gyms etc are going to be reopened and close contact sports like boxing are back too.

So there will be plenty of kids playing organised sports by September. Plenty of them out playing soccer etc together already anyway albeit in smaller numbers.

It will come down to what coaches and instructors are comfortable with but they have the go ahead to start from the 8th of June.

Benimar

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Teams can train together in a week's time if they want to.

By end of June sports events can start back up behind closed doors. In July competitions and matches can resume, with limited spectators.

Come August Gyms etc are going to be reopened and close contact sports like boxing are back too.

So there will be plenty of kids playing organised sports by September. Plenty of them out playing soccer etc together already anyway albeit in smaller numbers.

It will come down to what coaches and instructors are comfortable with but they have the go ahead to start from the 8th of June.

Both the FAI and GAA have said there will be no training of any description before July 20th. The grounds aren't even to be opened.

I'm not sure on the GAA (maybe someone involved would know?) but the Schoolboy Leagues in soccer will not be back before kids return to school.

Tommysocks11

How many of these talked about second waves have we seen worldwide.....none thats it, people are scared of second wave when we didnt have a first one even, thet said in march 100k could die from it when in fact most of the 1600 that died unfortunately are over 82 which is over normal life expectancy, economy will be destroyed if we dont open up not to mention all the other cancer and heart screenings etc thats all been put on hold

average_runner

wirelessdude01 wrote: »

As I said all us teachers need and want is for the dept to do their job and provide workable and achievable guidelines for what is to happen in a scenario. They have been woefully inept so far. Schools just left to their own devices to try and find a way to muddle through. No leadership from them whatsoever.

We need these inorder to be able to plan for September at a local level. No point releasing them a few days before we are meant to be back which most of expect will probably happen. The Dept have form for dropping important information at the very last minute and then expecting schools to be able to implement straight away. The actual coalface is a hell of a lot different.

If you don't get the guidelines then there is a bigger problem.

I do believe schools need to put their own proposals forward, teachers know the kids better than an official.



And if the guidelines are realistic, shout loud and strike if needs be.

average_runner

Benimar wrote: »

Both the FAI and GAA have said there will be no training of any description before July 20th. The grounds aren't even to be opened.

I'm not sure on the GAA (maybe someone involved would know?) but the Schoolboy Leagues in soccer will not be back before kids return to school.

Maybe i am out of touch with school boy soccer league, but in my time it didn't start till Sept anyhow, same applies to gaa now also

Benimar

average_runner wrote: »

Maybe i am out of touch with school boy soccer league, but in my time it didn't start till Sept anyhow, same applies to gaa now also

The OP said kids would be back playing sport next week - they wont be. Nothing organised anyway.

Murple

average_runner wrote: »

If you don't get the guidelines then there is a bigger problem.

I do believe schools need to put their own proposals forward, teachers know the kids better than an official.



And if the guidelines are realistic, shout loud and strike if needs be.

Schools need some guidelines in order to be able to put together proposals. We need to know what will be allowed, expected and required e.g.
Will there be a minimum number of hours tuition for pupils?
Will we be required to do remote teaching for those not in school?
Will attendance records be kept?
Will children be expected to distance from each other?
Will we be expected to teach a full curriculum or focus on core subjects?
Will there be any health based insurance restrictions as to whether certain staff and pupils can be on site e.g. high risk individuals?

Once we are told the regulations, then and only then can schools realistically come up with proposals for how they can implement it in their own school setting. We also need the back up of guidelines from the department so that we don't have certain parents pushing back or causing problems.

olestoepoke

I hope they sort something out because this home schooling carry on is not working for us. The children just aren't enjoying it the way they enjoy school and us parents are not equipped with the patience or know how to implement it effectively.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

Murple wrote: »

Schools need some guidelines in order to be able to put together proposals. We need to know what will be allowed, expected and required e.g.
Will there be a minimum number of hours tuition for pupils?
Will we be required to do remote teaching for those not in school?
Will attendance records be kept?
Will children be expected to distance from each other?
Will we be expected to teach a full curriculum or focus on core subjects?
Will there be any health based insurance restrictions as to whether certain staff and pupils can be on site e.g. high risk individuals?

Once we are told the regulations, then and only then can schools realistically come up with proposals for how they can implement it in their own school setting. We also need the back up of guidelines from the department so that we don't have certain parents pushing back or causing problems.

All will be found to be completely unnecessary by the time August rolls around. Why do you think our schools aren't open now?

It's because government knows nothing substantial could be arranged as regards safety in schools while the virus is still here.

So rather than put proper plans in place and open them up asap they will wait it out until there's close to zero risk and the schools will open back up as they would any start of school year.

Kids will be told to wash their hands etc and bring in their own hygiene items, schools might get extra budget for cleaning measures but that will be the extent of it.

timmy_mallet

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

All will be found to be completely unnecessary by the time August rolls around. Why do you think our schools aren't open now?

It's because government knows nothing substantial could be arranged as regards safety in schools while the virus is still here.

So rather than put proper plans in place and open them up asap they will wait it out until there's close to zero risk and the schools will open back up as they would any start of school year.

Kids will be told to wash their hands etc and bring in their own hygiene items, schools might get extra budget for cleaning measures but that will be the extent of it.

Yes. Either all in or all out. There is no workable or humane alternative. I've two kids starting in September, and they won't be if any social distancing, standing in squares in the playground, teacher behind a glass screen, 1/2 in 1/2 out etc. is proposed...They will be fully home-schooled.

CruelSummer

Minister of Education Joe McHugh apparently said it's hard to see schools reopening fully in September due to the 2metre rule, RTE seemed to want to hype this up with a push notification to my phone - this is just woeful from our government. Cases are falling day on day, children are not spreaders or even badly affected by the virus.
For goodness sake make your own decisions, and stop trying to put everything on Dr Tony & Co.. they are always going to advise the worst case scenario. Let's not forget they would still have the over 70s inside and not even out for a walk currently if they had their way.

timmy_mallet

CruelSummer wrote: »

Minister of Education Joe McHugh apparently said it's hard to see schools reopening fully in September due to the 2metre rule, RTE seemed to want to hype this up with a push notification to my phone - this is just woeful from our government. Cases are falling day on day, children are not spreaders or even badly affected by the virus.
For goodness sake make your own decisions, and stop trying to put everything on Dr Tony & Co.. they are always going to advise the worst case scenario. Let's not forget they would still have the over 70s inside and not even out for a walk currently if they had their way.

Well, he's correct. Utterly unfeasible, as most of pre-covid life is, with 2m guidance.

Holohan has always said (paraphrasing his weasly words) 'these are the guidelines, it's not up to me to tell the D of E what to do...'

Boggles

average_runner wrote: »

No its called looking at the stats. There is a steady fall, we hit under 50 last weekend. Going by previous patterns we should be under 50 at the of next week.

Previous patterns were based on "lockdown". We opened up again to a limited degree last Monday week, infection data from that if any has not manifested itself yet.

The data from other European countries suggest an initial increase after opening up again.

Best not to make conclusive conclusions on events that haven't happened yet, stats or otherwise.

jrosen

We have only just relaxed restrictions 10 days ago. It will take maybe 5 or so more days before we see an increase in cases if there is going to be any due to people mixing more. If not and cases stay static and or continue to fall thats a positive but we very may well see a small spike due to people mixing again.

But I think people mixing is a good thing, we are fortunate that we now have almost 3 months before school is due to be back. Its time to play with that the kids would have been off anyway.

downthemiddle

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Teams can train together in a week's time if they want to.



It will come down to what coaches and instructors are comfortable with but they have the go ahead to start from the 8th of June.

"People can take part in outdoor sporting and fitness activities, involving team sports training in small groups (but not matches) where social distancing can be maintained and where there is no contact. "

What the roadmap actually says.

FishOnABike

mullinr2 wrote: »

Get out a measuring tape and measure 2m. How are schools going to manage to accommodate any amount of students. Kids will only be able to go to school 1 or 2 days a week. 1m is the only way to go. Remember for 80 percent who get Covid 19 it's a mild or moderate symptoms. We are giving up alot for the 20 percent

It's also about who those 80% might pass it on to. The 20% are also part of the community the 80% circulate in and live in.

SusanC10

I thought that I read somewhere that the 4 people meeting outside would increase to 8 people on June 8th but can't seem to find that now.

Anyway, none of our Kids' Activities/Clubs etc are starting back in Phase 2.

Joe McHugh reportedly saying that Roadmap to reopen Schools will be published in 2 weeks time.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Yes. Either all in or all out. There is no workable or humane alternative. I've two kids starting in September, and they won't be if any social distancing, standing in squares in the playground, teacher behind a glass screen, 1/2 in 1/2 out etc. is proposed...They will be fully home-schooled.

I think a lot of parents will feel the same way, I won't be sending mine back to social distance either or anything else that I think is excessive.

One teacher here suggested that teachers ring parents to send kids home from school if they don't adhere to social distancing

I'd rather have them learn at home and see their friends as normal after school and continue their sports/hobbies than subject them to that sort of environment.

I'll send them back if and when things return to normal and if they want to go back.

iamwhoiam

By September kids will be meeting up with cousins and friends anyway so social distancing will be only half hearted .

ldy4mxonucwsq6

SusanC10 wrote: »

I thought that I read somewhere that the 4 people meeting outside would increase to 8 people on June 8th but can't seem to find that now.

Anyway, none of our Kids' Activities/Clubs etc are starting back in Phase 2.

Joe McHugh reportedly saying that Roadmap to reopen Schools will be published in 2 weeks time.

The mention of 4 people dissappears by 29th of June they don't have a figure on it after that.

From 8th of June we have a 20km distance and up to 4 people can go to visit another household indoors (so technically 4 people can go visit another household regardless of how many live in that household).

SusanC10

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

The mention of 4 people dissappears by 29th of June they don't have a figure on it after that.

From 8th of June we have a 20km distance and up to 4 people can go to visit another household indoors (so technically 4 people can go visit another household regardless of how many live in that household).

Thanks for that - I must have got mixed up with that!

Do the 4 visitors still need to socially distance inside the other household from the residents of that household?

average_runner

Boggles wrote: »

Previous patterns were based on "lockdown". We opened up again to a limited degree last Monday week, infection data from that if any has not manifested itself yet.

The data from other European countries suggest an initial increase after opening up again.

Best not to make conclusive conclusions on events that haven't happened yet, stats or otherwise.

Yep we opened up and our numbers kept under a 100, actually fell most days.

FishOnABike

timmy_mallet wrote: »

Well, he's correct. Utterly unfeasible, as most of pre-covid life is, with 2m guidance.

Holohan has always said (paraphrasing his weasly words) 'these are the guidelines, it's not up to me to tell the D of E what to do...'

And he's correct. It is NPHET's role to give health advice. It would undermine the credibility and integrity of that advice if it is modified due to political pressure.

It is the government's job to take that medical input and balance it with input from finance, business, education sectors etc. and issue overall guidance and any accompanying legislation if required.

The government should have the integrity and courage to override NPHET's advice if it thinks, on balance, other factors warrant it. But this also means being prepared to take the blame if they get it wrong. The government should not be hiding behind NPHET while at the same time subjecting them to pressure to change their advice to what they (the government) want it to be based on lobbying from sectional interests.

iamwhoiam

https://www.rte.ie/news/2020/0528/1143113-kids-missing-friends-and-worrying-for-elders-survey/

Kids are definitely stressed and anxious

spaceHopper

CruelSummer wrote: »

children are not spreaders or even badly affected by the virus.

I don't believe that for one second, there was a very small study that suggested that but come on as every parent knows kids pick up bugs make them stronger and give them to their parents, at least that has been my experience. Why would that be any different for covid 19? The doesn't pass the simple common sense test.

Flippyfloppy

Tommysocks11 wrote: »

How many of these talked about second waves have we seen worldwide.....none thats it, people are scared of second wave when we didnt have a first one even, thet said in march 100k could die from it if we didn't take any measures when in fact most of the 1600 that died unfortunately are over 82 which is over normal life expectancy, economy will be destroyed if we dont open up not to mention all the other cancer and heart screenings etc thats all been put on hold

Fixed that for you

CruelSummer

spaceHopper wrote: »

I don't believe that for one second, there was a very small study that suggested that but come on as every parent knows kids pick up bugs make them stronger and give them to their parents, at least that has been my experience. Why would that be any different for covid 19? The doesn't pass the simple common sense test.

This is the experience of multiple observations and studies, not just the one small study quoted by HIQA. Switzerland are relaxing even further, they're miles ahead of us and have similar figures to us, Denmark, Austria, Belgium also expanding out their school reopening. This is late May. Here we are still fully closed, and talking about September which is a full 3 months away.

iamwhoiam

spaceHopper wrote: »

I don't believe that for one second, there was a very small study that suggested that but come on as every parent knows kids pick up bugs make them stronger and give them to their parents, at least that has been my experience. Why would that be any different for covid 19? The doesn't pass the simple common sense test.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/breakingnews/ireland/trinity-prof-luke-oneill-no-scientific-evidence-to-say-schools-can-not-reopen-1002180.html