How will schools be able to go back in September?

History Queen

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

It's complete rubbish any excuse, try telling that to people who've been working full days next to others throughout the whole pandemic as plenty of workers have been.

Add to that most other European countries have a 1 metre social distancing requirement.

I agree, seems farcical. Meat factory workers testing positive for example, didn't result in whole processing halls being told to self isolate and factories being closed. But yet the advice was issued. Why is there so much conflicting advice? Makes it hard to see the government and NPHET as credible and to follow their measures when you see this type of thing happening.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

History Queen wrote: »

I agree, seems farcical. Meat factory workers testing positive for example, didn't result in whole processing halls being told to self isolate and factories being closed. But yet the advice was issued. Why is there so much conflicting advice? Makes it hard to see the government and NPHET as credible and to follow their measures when you see this type of thing happening.

The meat factories is very unfortunate but is a symptom of a larger issue there. There are many businesses where staff have been working in close proximity and it hasn't resulted in any issues.

To be honest I think they are making it up day by day at this stage.

History Queen

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

The meat factories is very unfortunate but is a symptom of a larger issue there. There are many businesses where staff have been working in close proximity and it hasn't resulted in any issues.

To be honest I think they are making it up day by day at this stage.

Oh I'm not using the unfortunate situation in meat factories to hammer home any message about the danger of the virus etc. I understand there are lots of factors at play. I just meant that it is an example of a closed area where, if the advice re the Dail chamber was followed, a shut down would have to happen when therewas a positive case. We know cases happened but shut downs and widespread self isolation did not. Do we therefore surmise that TD lives are more valuable than the general populace? Or that theadvice being given is uncoordinated and haphazard. It has to be one of the two. I lean towards the latter.

CinemaGuy45

daydorunrun wrote: »

There are a lot of people who are happier than ever to not go to work and be paid for it so no surprise from those polls. Somebody mentioned Japan in another thread were workers have had a chance to step off the hamster wheel for the first time and are loving it.

But in truth that has little to do with the needs of our children.

What a disgusting post how dare you.:mad:

I bet people like you want people to work for their money or something.:rolleyes:


Also it is very rude to point out the bogus excuse that it's all for children's safety.

Look the teachers only have another five weeks to go and than paid official holidays and sure they might even get September out of it too.;)

People are just having their cake and eating it too how dare you try and make them feel guilty about it.:D

CinemaGuy45

Lyle wrote: »

jesus f*cking christ above

You think it's worth your child's death? And your post has two Thanks. Whatever impact this has on kids, it is not a fate worse than death, but you would accept the risk to the life of your child as a fair trade to prevent an as-yet-undefinable (in the long run) impact on their educational/social/psychological lives. Efforts can be made through the rest of their life to repair any damage done. If they're dead, they're dead. Your child. Dead. You're fine with it. I cannot wrap my head around this.

Hysterical nonsense remind me now how many children have died in Ireland due to covid 19?

We are being told this virus is with us for the long term do you think that those of us who work should support people to stay home because they are scared?

Every time we use the roads we risk life.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

We may have a case for opening earlier than September if things keep going the right way.

'We have effectively extinguished the virus from the community'.

https://www.thejournal.ie/tony-holohan-community-transmission-5102798-May2020/

CinemaGuy45

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

We may have a case for opening earlier than September if things keep going the right way.

'We have effectively extinguished the virus from the community'.

https://www.thejournal.ie/tony-holohan-community-transmission-5102798-May2020/

Shush have you seen the weather out there?

Far too nice to be stuck in a classroom with 30 little brats.;)

kandr10

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Picture a family where both parents are frontline/essential workers, there are quite a many families in this position and while working opposite shifts and taking leave etc means there's a juggle to manage, it's not sustainable long term.

Undoubtedly you guys need solutions more than anyone. The childcare scheme that was proposed and scrapped without a thought given is evidence of how lax the government are in this area.

I really hope that with the articles you pointed to that the government are able to fast forward the whole process and perhaps do away with social distancing sooner. I don’t think they should be waiting until then to isssue guidelines on childcare facilities and schools opening.
I really don’t think it’s fair at this point to say to hell with it just open with nothing in place. Any of the other European countries that have reopened schools and childcare have done so with restrictions. There’s a lot of vulnerable kids and adults working in the sector who will need provision made for them.

TheValeyard

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Shush have you seen the weather out there?

Far too nice to be stuck in a classroom with 30 little brats.;)

Well that's just a stupidly flippant post.
Teachers would happily be in their classrooms teaching away if the government deemed it safe to do so. The weather has nothing to do with it. And we'd all, regardless of job, love to be enjoying the weather.

TheValeyard

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Picture a family where both parents are frontline/essential workers, there are quite a many families in this position and while working opposite shifts and taking leave etc means there's a juggle to manage, it's not sustainable long term.

You realise if schools open and creches do not, then you increase the amount of workers returning to the front line or trying to juggle things as you say, which also, not sustainable.

iamwhoiam

Lovely item on the news about 6th year’s ceremony . Did a drive in ceremony and it was lovely to see . Someone was thinking outside the box and fair play to them for the effort

ldy4mxonucwsq6

TheValeyard wrote: »

You realise if schools open and creches do not, then you increase the amount of workers returning to the front line or trying to juggle things as you say, which also, not sustainable.

Essential workers never left the front line.

Creches will open the same time as schools, what do you propose that we eliminate creches and schools until there's a vaccine??

TheValeyard

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

Essential workers never left the front line.

Creches will open the same time as schools, what do you propose that we eliminate creches and schools until there's a vaccine??

You tell me how creches open and stick with government guidelines in regards to social distancing? How do you keep three year old away from each other?

iamwhoiam

TheValeyard wrote: »

You tell me how creches open and stick with government guidelines in regards to social distancing? How do you keep three year old away from each other?

It a dilemma , many workers can’t get back to work until the creches open . Many working from home are getting more and more stressed trying to juggle work and minding toddlers . Teachers too will need child care so schools can open
But September is a long way away and who knows how things will be by then
Lots of kids now out playing with each other and cousins meeting outdoors etc now and it will be interesting if this has any effect on the numbers

ldy4mxonucwsq6

TheValeyard wrote: »

You tell me how creches open and stick with government guidelines in regards to social distancing? How do you keep three year old away from each other?

The guidelines will change and there will be exemptions.

Everyone needing childcare is not staying at home until this is over (hell some of them are out working right now).

Toddlers and young kids can't social distance so they will be exempted or the guidelines on social distancing will change.

Kids out playing together TODAY, the sky didn't fall yet.

TheValeyard

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

The guidelines will change and there will be exemptions.

Everyone needing childcare is not staying at home until this is over (hell some of them are out working right now).

Toddlers and young kids can't social distance so they will be exempted or the guidelines on social distancing will change.

Kids out playing together TODAY, the sky didn't fall yet.

And what are the guidelines for kids playing together now?

Are you letting your kids play with your children on the street?

kandr10

Yet could be the operative word there though!

I really hope the low numbers we’re seeing this last week will be sustained with increased contact.

A little concerned at the number of people on here saying they see kids out playing. It is still recommended to meet people at a distance outdoors. I doubt that’s being maintained? No kids out playing round my way. One or two small groups of teenagers in the park is about all I spotted. Everyone’s still being quite conservative (round our way anyway!) it seems.

ldy4mxonucwsq6

TheValeyard wrote: »

And what are the guidelines for kids playing together now?

Are you letting your kids play with your children on the street?

You bet my kids are meeting up with friends because as per the guidelines they are allowed to since yesterday.

It was like Christmas day here, they waited so long to see them.

TheValeyard

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

You bet my kids are meeting up with friends because as per the guidelines they are allowed to since yesterday.

It was like Christmas day here, they waited so long to see them.

As in up to for people correct?

CinemaGuy45

TheValeyard wrote: »

As in up to for people correct?

Timmy Paul Robbie and Steve all playing together but get lost little Andy four is fun five nah.:rolleyes:

ldy4mxonucwsq6

kandr10 wrote: »

A little concerned at the number of people on here saying they see kids out playing.

That's normal behaviour for children and is now allowed thankfully. Nothing to be concerned about, a welcome respite for all.

TheValeyard

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

Timmy Paul Robbie and Steve all playing together but get lost little Andy four is fun five nah.:rolleyes:

Govt says no more than four, so shouldnt be breaking guidelines now should we, although make pointless names if you want.

TheValeyard

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

That's normal behaviour for children and is now allowed thankfully. Nothing to be concerned about, a welcome respite for all.

We do not live in normal times. I will not be allowing my children to play with other children for the moment. I will wait another while, see how things play out first.

Dont want my kids to be the Redshirts.

CinemaGuy45

TheValeyard wrote: »

We do not live in normal times. I will not be allowing my children to play with other children for the moment. I will wait another while, see how things play out first.

Dont want my kids to be the Redshirts.

Will they not get time off for good behaviour?

ldy4mxonucwsq6

TheValeyard wrote: »

We do not live in normal times. I will not be allowing my children to play with other children for the moment. I will wait another while, see how things play out first.

Dont want my kids to be the Redshirts.

I'm sure they'll thank you for that.

Me I've followed the very conservative guidelines all along and will continue to do so.

Can't hide in our houses forever, not everyone needs to have an overly cautious approach.

For those who have been out and about living and working throughout, you eventually get over the fear of the virus.

Children are allowed to play, outside with friends.

I think some people would be happy to stay in lockdown forever, the positive news on cases etc must be very disappointing for some.

CinemaGuy45

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

I'm sure they'll thank you for that.

Me I've followed the very conservative guidelines all along and will continue to do so.

Can't hide in our houses forever, not everyone needs to have an overly cautious approach.

For those who have been out and about living and working throughout you'll eventually get over the fear of the virus.

Children are allowed to play, outside with friends.

I think some people would be happy to stay in lockdown forever, the positive news on cases etc must be very disappointing for some.

The country seems to be running just fine without them it seems like a win win situation.:D

TheValeyard

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

I'm sure they'll thank you for that.

Me I've followed the very conservative guidelines all along and will continue to do so.

Can't hide in our houses forever, not everyone needs to have an overly cautious approach.

For those who have been out and about living and working throughout you'll eventually get over the fear of the virus.

Children are allowed to play, outside with friends.

I think some people would be happy to stay in lockdown forever, the positive news on cases etc must be very disappointing for some.

Well im not sure if you are following the guidelines. Were your kids playing in the street with more than four people (as per guidelines)

It will be interesting to see if we get a spike in a week or two and this or the shops has contributed to it.

kandr10

Zahir Bitter Cellist wrote: »

That's normal behaviour for children and is now allowed thankfully. Nothing to be concerned about, a welcome respite for all.

At 2m distance? That’s what’s recommended...

TheValeyard

CinemaGuy45 wrote: »

The country seems to be running just fine without them it seems like a win win situation.:D

Once again, you are wrong. Country is struggling. But im used to your posts getting things wrong

ldy4mxonucwsq6

TheValeyard wrote: »

Well im not sure if you are following the guidelines. Were your kids playing in the street with more than four people (as per guidelines)

I don't need you to be sure.

Luckily we don't need inspectors to check on our parenting, many of us are capable of making measured decisions and following simple instructions/guidelines.

So why do you assume they would be within a group of more than 4 people?