American response

Scotty #

Carfacemandog wrote: »

What's worse is it looks like it might only be getting going over there.

The models would suggest otherwise, with the US actually now expected to peak today.

But of course, what Trump (and a lot of the Irish public too) don't seem to realise is that the flattening is a result of mitigation and nothing else and a softening of that mitigation will result in an increase in infections/deaths.

As I said earlier, I think the US will soften their lockdown in the next 3-4 weeks (and with much support from Fox News/Big Business) but I predict they'll soon after be in dire trouble again.

In yesterday's White House Briefing, after Dr. Birx confirmed that going back to normal could lead to a surge in deaths she invited Dr. Fauci up to speak further on the matter. Trump had different ideas....

https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1248701417260568576

Carfacemandog wrote: »

Everyone knows a lot of people will die over there, bit barring a vaccine coming out in the next 2 or 3 months, I don't know if it has really been taken into account by many how vast this toll could be.

I was listening to some vaccine lab guy on the radio the other day who said the notion of a vaccine within 12-18 months was fantasy and had never been done. Most modern vaccines take 4-5 years minimum.

MadYaker

Saying the USA case numbers are peaking is nonsense. It’s at totally different stages in different states. Cases are levelling out in New York but states like Louisiana are a few weeks behind and some states still aren’t locked down and are allowing gatherings at churches. They have many many weeks to go yet.

Harry Palmr

Was just watching the news, it's remarkable that the richest country on the planet is reduced to throwing vital supplies into the backs of picks ups and massive SUVs at drive through car park food-aid stations as people lose their jobs and income in a moment.

beggars_bush

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Was just watching the news, it's remarkable that the richest country on the planet is reduced to throwing vital supplies into the backs of picks ups and massive SUVs at drive through car park food-aid stations as people lose their jobs and income in a moment.

Most Americans live from paycheck to paycheck

Danno

beggars_bush wrote: »

Most Americans live from paycheck to paycheck

As do most of the world.

MadYaker

Danno wrote: »

As do most of the world.

The developing world. It’s an appalling state of affairs for what the yanks constantly tell us is the greatest nation on earth. Apparently most Americans can’t afford a surprise bill of more than $400.

MadYaker

Their testing figures aren’t bad though. They’ve done over 2.3 million which is 7.1 per thousand.

beggars_bush

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52196815

This is harrowing
NYC paramedic during covid

Scotty #

MadYaker wrote: »

...which is 7.1 per thousand.

I think that's pretty poor tbh.

Italy and Germany are twice that. Australia and Canada are also higher. Even Ireland on 8.7 per 1000 is higher.

threeball

Scotty # wrote: »

I think that's pretty poor tbh.

Italy and Germany are twice that. Australia and Canada are also higher. Even Ireland on 8.7 per 1000 is higher.

Trump has thrown out the line that they're doing more testing than anyone anywhere at multiple press conferences and never been pulled up once. Hes actually been pulled up on hardly any of his bullsh1t so his tactics of bullying and disrupting are obviously working. Reporter's are too afraid to ask the hard questions.

Scotty #

Actually he was questioned about it and he was told several countries were ahead on 'per capita' testing but he just went into his usual tirade of repeating himself with a lot of hand waving.

"I never said per capita, we have done more tests, brilliant tests, we have the best tests, I never said 'per capita', we've done more tests than any one else, brilliant tests, we're number one for tests, did you know I'm number one on Facebook? Isn't that something, I just found out, I'm number 1.... next question"

Lashes28

beggars_bush wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-52196815

This is harrowing
NYC paramedic during covid

That's horrific. And the scariest part of it all is the last line. I feel so sorry for the Americans right now.

Stateofyou

MadYaker wrote: »

The developing world. It’s an appalling state of affairs for what the yanks constantly tell us is the greatest nation on earth. Apparently most Americans can’t afford a surprise bill of more than $400.

Do you not think it's the same here? Wages are very low (nurses strike recently comes to mind), healthcare here must be paid for if you want to be seen in any expedient manner (we don't have a 1 tier universal health care), schools are NOT free, childcare costs are through the roof, rents are massive with most places in Dublin and the surrounding area being unaffordable. We have a housing crisis here.

It seems like once there's an opportunity to look down on another country, you can then feel better about ours. Perhaps the only thing keeping many up is our welfare safety net and supplements. Is that the mark of a well functioning society?

KiKi III

Stateofyou wrote: »

Do you not think it's the same here? Wages are very low (nurses strike recently comes to mind), healthcare here must be paid for if you want to be seen in any expedient manner (we don't have a 1 tier universal health care), schools are NOT free, childcare costs are through the roof, rents are massive with most places in Dublin and the surrounding area being unaffordable. We have a housing crisis here.

It seems like once there's an opportunity to look down on another country, you can then feel better about ours. Perhaps the only thing keeping many up is our welfare safety net and supplements. Is that the mark of a well functioning society?

My brother got cancer ten years ago. He required chemotherapy, radio therapy and a transplant. He was treated in a public hospital and it didn’t cost anything.

This does not happen in the US. We did not have to set up a GoFundMe for his care.

Stateofyou

KiKi III wrote: »

My brother got cancer ten years ago. He required chemotherapy, radio therapy and a transplant. He was treated in a public hospital and it didn’t cost anything.

This does not happen in the US. We did not have to set up a GoFundMe for his care.

So sorry to hear that, hope he made a full recovery. Very glad that he was able to get the best care here.

For every one of those experiences though, there's a different experience of having to pay out of pocket, dip into savings, or get help from family to pay for health costs here in this country. This has happened a handful times for close personal family and friends of mine (also for my wife). There have been a couple of threads here on boards in recent memory that I found and read most of the way through, talking about lack of service here and having to personally cover costs to get seen to quickly. Payng for personal health insurance that they wouldn't be doing without for that reason. There were many sad stories about those personally suffering or losing loved ones due to not getting timely treatment in the public health care system.

silver2020

The NY Times obtained 80 pages of email under Freedom of Info.

Trump decided his intuition was better than dozens of experts many of whom started warning of a pandemic back in january, but the white house decided to ignore it

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6879-2020-covid-19-red-dawn-rising/66f590d5cd41e11bea0f/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/us/politics/coronavirus-red-dawn-emails-trump.html

ChikiChiki

silver2020 wrote: »

The NY Times obtained 80 pages of email under Freedom of Info.

Trump decided his intuition was better than dozens of experts many of whom started warning of a pandemic back in january, but the white house decided to ignore it

https://int.nyt.com/data/documenthelper/6879-2020-covid-19-red-dawn-rising/66f590d5cd41e11bea0f/optimized/full.pdf#page=1

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/11/us/politics/coronavirus-red-dawn-emails-trump.html

"But before they could discuss it with the president, who was returning from India, another official went public with a warning, sending the stock market down sharply and angering Mr. Trump. The meeting to brief him on the recommendation was canceled and it was three weeks before Mr. Trump would reluctantly come around to the need for mitigation"

Says it all really. Big orange buffoon.

Decisions need to be taken in the now and fast. Trump dithered for a good 3 weeks. That is 1000s of years in the context of this pandemic.

Thanks for sharing.

Billy Mays

Trump administration emails are fake news...or something

Drumpot

MadYaker wrote: »

Saying the USA case numbers are peaking is nonsense. It’s at totally different stages in different states. Cases are levelling out in New York but states like Louisiana are a few weeks behind and some states still aren’t locked down and are allowing gatherings at churches. They have many many weeks to go yet.

Its ironic that Trump coined the phrase “fake news” to detract from the fact that he’s been the biggest perpetrator of the lies during his presidency. His ego and self absorbed narcissism is actually far more damaging and severe then I thought possible.

In an emergency, he demands people be nice to them which will determine the level support he gives them. He constantly lies about vaccines , about the severity of the disease and regularly makes important national emergency conferences about him which means the important message can be lost.

MadYaker

Oh its ironic alight. There was no fake news until they elected a fake president.

ceadaoin.

ChikiChiki wrote: »

"But before they could discuss it with the president, who was returning from India, another official went public with a warning, sending the stock market down sharply and angering Mr. Trump. The meeting to brief him on the recommendation was canceled and it was three weeks before Mr. Trump would reluctantly come around to the need for mitigation"

Says it all really. Big orange buffoon.

Decisions need to be taken in the now and fast. Trump dithered for a good 3 weeks. That is 1000s of years in the context of this pandemic.

Thanks for sharing.

Decisions were taken though. Most of America is in lockdown and has been for weeks, some places since before Ireland was. Every state has declared emergencies. Kids are out of school. Non essential businesses are closed across most of the country. Field hospitals have been set up. The mitigation measures are working, even in the hardest hit city of New York. All that without Trump having to do anything. Imagine that.

one world order

Did the fake New York Times mention he closed travel to China just 10 days after the first case appeared in the US when they were calling him racist to do so. He was also quick to close travel from Europe, which the WHO criticised him for, but he was proven right on both.

The Phantom Jipper

one world order wrote: »

Did the fake New York Times mention he closed travel to China just 10 days after the first case appeared in the US when they were calling him racist to do so. He was also quick to close travel from Europe, which the WHO criticised him for, but he was proven right on both.

The policy of closing travel from China was a failure. Thousands of people arrived from China after the ban, and were not subjected to a full quarantine.

The virus was already in the country by then and spreading like wildfire. He deserves the criticism he is receiving for not taking it seriously and focusing solely on actions that helped him apportion the blame elsewhere for his own failures, whether it be China or somebody else

Stateofyou

one world order wrote: »

Did the fake New York Times mention he closed travel to China just 10 days after the first case appeared in the US when they were calling him racist to do so. He was also quick to close travel from Europe, which the WHO criticised him for, but he was proven right on both.

Eh, I believe he first exempted the UK and Ireland citing our "very strong borders." Why didn't he include these two countries? You should ask yourself where Trump has golf resorts.

MadYaker

one world order wrote: »

Did the fake New York Times mention he closed travel to China just 10 days after the first case appeared in the US when they were calling him racist to do so. He was also quick to close travel from Europe, which the WHO criticised him for, but he was proven right on both.

Thousands of people arrived to the US from China after the ban and weren't quarantined.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-china-us-flights-430000-people

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/us/coronavirus-china-travel-restrictions.html

What exactly was he proven right about?

all about the mane

one world order wrote: »

Did the fake New York Times mention he closed travel to China just 10 days after the first case appeared in the US when they were calling him racist to do so. He was also quick to close travel from Europe, which the WHO criticised him for, but he was proven right on both.

He claimed the virus was a hoax orchestrated by the democrats. Just let that sink in.

one world order

MadYaker wrote: »

Thousands of people arrived to the US from China after the ban and weren't quarantined.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/coronavirus-china-us-flights-430000-people

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/04/us/coronavirus-china-travel-restrictions.html

What exactly was he proven right about?

The 430k figure travel from China to America is when the coronavirus was first discovered in China, not when Trump gave the order to cancel travel. American flight carriers were grounded straight away, however there were some Chinese flight carriers that continued to arrive to Los Angeles, San Francisco and New York.

Laois_Man

The vast majority of Americas problems stemmed from European travel. Not China

hetuzozaho

threeball wrote: »

Trump has thrown out the line that they're doing more testing than anyone anywhere at multiple press conferences and never been pulled up once. Hes actually been pulled up on hardly any of his bullsh1t so his tactics of bullying and disrupting are obviously working. Reporter's are too afraid to ask the hard questions.

He was pulled up about it but he just spoke over the journalist and rambled on.

one world order

all about the mane wrote: »

He claimed the virus was a hoax orchestrated by the democrats. Just let that sink in.

He described Democratic complaints about his handling of the virus as their new hoax. He never said the virus was a hoax, however the fake MSM decided to push the alternative afterwards.