The glorious 12th

janfebmar

Stop deflecting about mental gymnastics and kindly answer the question.

Feisar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

WTF???

The mental gymnastics are a sight to behold.

My blood would be as green as anyone's. They had us on our belly's for 800 years. This whole country was a concentration camp at one stage.

However there is a legitimate point being made here. The Republic's murder rate is higher than N.I.'s. And also, a United Ireland won't stop sectarian killings.

FrancieBrady

janfebmar wrote: »

Stop deflecting about mental gymnastics and kindly answer the question.

I already answered you on that.

You worry about your own hierarchies. I will worry about mine. Every single one of you tonight, en pointe and on message...'look over there'.

downcow

gwalk wrote: »

It wasn't me nope

And you would do well to not throw accusations like that about, your advanced apology is meaningless as it was clearly to cover you arse and not in any way sincere

Apologies again. I have checked back and it was endainoz

downcow

By the way, this is the other glorious 12th today

gwalk

downcow wrote: »

Apologies again. I have checked back and it was endainoz

again your apology is in no way sincere and is rejected,

i hope you enjoyed your slandarous slur atop your soapbox to drum up support from your cronies

downcow

gwalk wrote: »

again your apology is in no way sincere and is rejected,

i hope you enjoyed your slandarous slur atop your soapbox to drum up support from your cronies

Keep your hair on gwalk. I just glanced back again at your recent posts on this thread and you are out on your own with offence directed personally at other posters. I am not even going to bother linking them.
Most other republican posters on here have a level of respect that you clearly don’t , with your Jaffas etc and you have no difficulty with untruths eg trying to tell us that the official name of the maiden city is not Londonderry. And that’s all in just you last few posts.
My apology stands but I really couldn’t give a fiddlers that you reject it

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FrancieBrady

Feisar wrote: »

My blood would be as green as anyone's. They had us on our belly's for 800 years. This whole country was a concentration camp at one stage.

However there is a legitimate point being made here. The Republic's murder rate is higher than N.I.'s. And also, a United Ireland won't stop sectarian killings.

One noted Unionist here (Timthumb) reappears to gloat about trouble at an internment march, that most, if not all, here predicted and condemned then pivots to exploit a victim of the ongoing conflict (just because she was a victim of themun's), gets told that she wasn't the only victim since the GFA and we get a trite deflection to the murder rate in the south (the stock 'Look over there' strategy' of janfebmar)?

Sorry, not going there with that particular poster.
The murder rate in the south is as it is, for many diverse reasons and is equally as sad as events in NI.
One could equally tritely ask, why remain in the UK as it's murder rate is sky high or because of knife crime in London?
But one wouldn't, because it is deflectionary bull****.

downcow

So we have an illegal protest at the apprentice boys parade yesterday and the Psni, don’t attempt to move them on, get names etc.
Contrast that with a band having tiny para regiment logo with support for soldier f and they are flanked all day by 30 Psni officers, who attempted to remove them from the parade and then there bus is stopped on way home and held for 2 hours All this and the Psni admit it is not illegal to have the logo on their shirts but the republican protest was illegal. You couldn’t make it up. ....and which issue is the media interested in? You guessed it. lol

janfebmar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

One noted Unionist here (Timthumb) reappears to gloat about trouble at an internment march, that most, if not all, here predicted and condemned then pivots to exploit a victim of the ongoing conflict (just because she was a victim of themun's), gets told that she wasn't the only victim since the GFA and we get a trite deflection to the murder rate in the south (the stock 'Look over there' strategy' of janfebmar)?

Sorry, not going there with that particular poster.
The murder rate in the south is as it is, for many diverse reasons and is equally as sad as events in NI.
One could equally tritely ask, why remain in the UK as it's murder rate is sky high or because of knife crime in London?
But one wouldn't, because it is deflectionary bull****.

Even with knife crime/ immigration in London, the murder rate in England/ Wales is much lower than it is in the 26 counties / Rep. Of Ireland / free state / call it what you want. It is amazing that with so much violence in our own jurisdiction Francie, you have 20,000 posts trying to solve the problems in someone else's jurisdiction, which you slander constantly, but you ignore the many problems closer to home?

FrancieBrady

downcow wrote: »

So we have an illegal protest at the apprentice boys parade yesterday and the Psni, don’t attempt to move them on, get names etc.
Contrast that with a band having tiny para regiment logo with support for soldier f and they are flanked all day by 30 Psni officers, who attempted to remove them from the parade and then there bus is stopped on way home and held for 2 hours All this and the Psni admit it is not illegal to have the logo on their shirts but the republican protest was illegal. You couldn’t make it up. ....and which issue is the media interested in? You guessed it. lol

Why can't you criticise both? Sort your own house out first?
Can you really stand over people wearing that logo in Derry of all places?

janfebmar

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Why can't you criticise both? Sort your own house out first?
Can you really stand over people wearing that logo in Derry of all places?

But you do not criticise both Francie, you are always criticising the British.

As regards the logo, some would say it is free speech, and arguably less offensive than the logo / captions on some S.F. t-shirts in the past.

gwalk

downcow wrote: »

Keep your hair on gwalk. I just glanced back again at your recent posts on this thread and you are out on your own with offence directed personally at other posters. I am not even going to bother linking them.
Most other republican posters on here have a level of respect that you clearly don’t , with your Jaffas etc and you have no difficulty with untruths eg trying to tell us that the official name of the maiden city is not Londonderry. And that’s all in just you last few posts.
My apology stands but I really couldn’t give a fiddlers that you reject it

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oh so now your insulting me for having a medical condition that has resulted in baldness

you are a disgusting individual

FrancieBrady

janfebmar wrote: »

But you do not criticise both Francie, you are always criticising the British.

As regards the logo, some would say it is free speech, and arguably less offensive than the logo / captions on some S.F. t-shirts in the past.

I have criticised both communities for taunting and enflaming on parades and would be happy to see all parades consigned to history.

I fully support politicians who are prepared to criticise them too.

Yet another lie from you.

Pedro K

downcow wrote: »

So we have an illegal protest at the apprentice boys parade yesterday and the Psni, don’t attempt to move them on, get names etc.
Contrast that with a band having tiny para regiment logo with support for soldier f and they are flanked all day by 30 Psni officers, who attempted to remove them from the parade and then there bus is stopped on way home and held for 2 hours All this and the Psni admit it is not illegal to have the logo on their shirts but the republican protest was illegal. You couldn’t make it up. ....and which issue is the media interested in? You guessed it. lol

Oh, I suppose since it's only tiny it's alright then...

downcow

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Why can't you criticise both? Sort your own house out first?
Can you really stand over people wearing that logo in Derry of all places?

I am simply asking for the police to be even handed. I didn't condemn either party. I just like equality

downcow

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I have criticised both communities for taunting and enflaming on parades and would be happy to see all parades consigned to history.

I fully support politicians who are prepared to criticise them too.

Yet another lie from you.

I understand last week SF were carrying posters of terrorists through Strabane - would you condemn that Francie.

...and just to be clear, did you condemn the protest in that last post, as SF have refused to condemn it this morning?

FrancieBrady

downcow wrote: »

I am simply asking for the police to be even handed. I didn't condemn either party. I just like equality

You seem to be touting Gregory Campbell/Sammy Wilson's line here.

According to what I am reading, 'assurances were given to the police that No provocative slogans or symbols would be used'.

Seriously downcow...the para logo, at this time in Derry...'not provocative'???? Get a grip with the 'victimised' bull****.

PSNi wrote:

We are investigating the behaviour and symbols displayed by one band, following today’s Apprentice Boys Parade in Derry/Londonderry. Five people were arrested on suspicion of public disorder offences. We’ll work with the event organisers to examine the issues from today’s parade.

Police are also investigating an illegal display of banners/un-notified parade by Saoradh.

citytillidie

downcow wrote: »

So we have an illegal protest at the apprentice boys parade yesterday and the Psni, don’t attempt to move them on, get names etc.
Contrast that with a band having tiny para regiment logo with support for soldier f and they are flanked all day by 30 Psni officers, who attempted to remove them from the parade and then there bus is stopped on way home and held for 2 hours All this and the Psni admit it is not illegal to have the logo on their shirts but the republican protest was illegal. You couldn’t make it up. ....and which issue is the media interested in? You guessed it. lol

Swallowed the band version of events allowing them to play the victim card. The police stopped the protest in shipquay street. I hope they took names or recording of the small group of individuals who were there.

Yes it's not illegal to have that logo but it could also be seen as an attempt to breach the peace.

They may have been flanked by 30 cops for there safety as well as the cops making sure nothing else happens.

Going by posts on the band's Facebook looks like there were held for 80 minute's.

Removing them from the parade may have been the best idea as all the work done in Derry has now been undone by a band from Larne

FrancieBrady

downcow wrote: »

I understand last week SF were carrying posters of terrorists through Strabane - would you condemn that Francie.

...and just to be clear, did you condemn the protest in that last post, as SF have refused to condemn it this morning?

I condemn anybody who parades to deliberately enflame and taunt.

You want permission and blessing to parade logos and symbols of people who terrorised the nationalist communities but yet criticise them when they parade logo's and symbols of people who terrorised your community.

It is all wrong and abnormal and feeds off itself. Come out of your bubble and try and see how toxic this is to any concept of normality.

Remembering your dead with respect and without taunting and enflaming others can be allowed but it takes people and leaders climbing down off the barricades.

Tremendous work on the Apprentice Boys Parades will be sarcrificed because people like Campbell and Wilson will use this to drive vote gaining wedges deep into the community again.
And if any republican MLA is doing the same they are equally as culpable and deserving of equal criticism.

downcow

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I condemn anybody who parades to deliberately enflame and taunt.

You want permission and blessing to parade logos and symbols of people who terrorised the nationalist communities but yet criticise them when they parade logo's and symbols of people who terrorised your community.

It is all wrong and abnormal and feeds off itself. Come out of your bubble and try and see how toxic this is to any concept of normality.

Remembering your dead with respect and without taunting and enflaming others can be allowed but it takes people and leaders climbing down off the barricades.

Tremendous work on the Apprentice Boys Parades will be sarcrificed because people like Campbell and Wilson will use this to drive vote gaining wedges deep into the community again.
And if any republican MLA is doing the same they are equally as culpable and deserving of equal criticism.

here is the SF leadership in action just this week. watch the video and tell me does it make you sick to see the SF MEP dancing in the square where the IRA murdered a 5 month old protestant baby and then Shouting chuckie ar la 3 times on the sport the baby was murdered ......and we are concerned about a legal logo on the slieve of a bands shirts - young men who are not MEPs

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/video-news/martina-anderson-calls-out-tiocfaidh-ar-la-at-hunger-strike-commemoration-in-strabane-38374876.html

FrancieBrady

downcow wrote: »

here is the SF leadership in action just this week. watch the video and tell me does it make you sick to see the SF MEP dancing in the square where the IRA murdered a 5 month old protestant baby and then Shouting chuckie ar la 3 times on the sport the baby was murdered ......and we are concerned about a legal logo on the slieve of a bands shirts - young men who are not MEPs

https://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/video-news/martina-anderson-calls-out-tiocfaidh-ar-la-at-hunger-strike-commemoration-in-strabane-38374876.html

You think she was doing that to disrespect the memory of a 5 month old baby???
That's a bit of a stretch downcow.

As I said, I don't believe that anybody should be parading to deliberately enflame and taunt the other community and that includes SF and republicans.

Why in Derry, a band that you say is made up of young people would wear the logo of an army regiment that had killed 14 and injured many more at this time and not understand (and they did apparently, as they agreed not to use provocative symbols) that it was offensive, defeats me.

Why would a band, not attached to the military do that to begin with?

citytillidie

Governor of the Apprentice Boys Association Graeme Stenhouse had earlier described the police's actions as "heavy handed."

Looks like they are not blaming the band good luck getting marching in the city centre in peace in December.

However, the most senior PSNI officer in Derry, Supt Gordon McCalmont said the response was "balanced and proportionate".

He said the situation at Saturday's parade had the potential to lead to disorder.

Supt McCalmont said on Saturday the band had been stopped initially in the Waterside area of the city and officers tried to get the band to "see some reason of the sensitivities".

"It started to get a bit dangerous in terms of public safety and, indeed officer safety, and it was going in a difficult direction. It was my view that we were moving towards disorder."

Supt McAlmont said "geographical sensitivities are key in this".

"We are talking hundreds of metres here from where Bloody Sunday unfolded," he said.

He added: "We had made the assessment because of the views of the local residents that we had gathered over the months and the understanding from the community that the geographical sensitivities were such that any display would likely lead to a breach of the peace."

He said members of the band did not give police their name and addresses. Supt McCalmont said when spoken to on the bus band members took a "very resolute stand".

So basically if the band had any common decency this woul have been all avoided.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-northern-ireland-49317031

downcow

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You think she was doing that to disrespect the memory of a 5 month old baby???
That's a bit of a stretch downcow.

As I said, I don't believe that anybody should be parading to deliberately enflame and taunt the other community and that includes SF and republicans.

Why in Derry, a band that you say is made up of young people would wear the logo of an army regiment that had killed 14 and injured many more at this time and not understand (and they did apparently, as they agreed not to use provocative symbols) that it was offensive, defeats me.

Why would a band, not attached to the military do that to begin with?

Its their uniform. They have been wearing it all season. They did not wear it because they were in Derry

FrancieBrady

downcow wrote: »

Its their uniform. They have been wearing it all season. They did not wear it because they were in Derry

Why would a youth band have it on their uniform in the first place? What has the 'culture' you espouse got to do with one of the most controversial regiments to be stationed in Ireland?

downcow

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Why would a youth band have it on their uniform in the first place? What has the 'culture' you espouse got to do with one of the most controversial regiments to be stationed in Ireland?

Many young people in my community aspire to join this regiment because it is known as one of the best in the world.
Are you now saying that our young people should not be allowed to be proud of the Paras and display that pride?
Our culture and identity is steeped in British Army regiments.

downcow

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You think she was doing that to disrespect the memory of a 5 month old baby???
?

Was it an OK thing for her to do Francie?

FrancieBrady

downcow wrote: »

Many young people in my community aspire to join this regiment because it is know as one of the best in the world.
Are you now saying that our young people should not be allowed to be proud of the Paras and display that pride?
Our culture and identity is steeped in British Army regiments.

I am sure many people aspire to join British Airways or Nasa etc.

Why would a young peoples band particularly want to display a logo of an army though?

Are they quasi military bands, is that the cultural aspect? What has it to do with the Orange culture?

FrancieBrady

downcow wrote: »

Was it an OK thing for her to do Francie?

To dance with an older woman?

Or to make a speech about SF policy/aims?

downcow

FrancieBrady wrote: »

To dance with an older woman?

Or to make a speech about SF policy/aims?

Well there we are francie. You just sum up the issue with this post. You are either very niave or playing games