The glorious 12th

realdanbreen

I see where there is a gigantic pile of pallets stacked up in an estate in Portadown which the fire service regard as a 'serious health and safety risk'. Apparently 30+ firms have been approached to remove/dismantle it but nobody will touch it. One things for certain if that was some years ago in a nationalist area the British army would be steaming in like a flash to dismantle it and anything else that was in its way.

InTheShadows

The extremists on both sides who build these things are complete knack bags but unfortunately there seems to be a hell of a lot of that sort of people up North.

I despise bonfires in general as they seem to be a magnet for trouble makers and general cnuts not to mention the damage they do to the environment.

Look how close it is to people's houses and blocks of flats. Madness
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-48926982

NIMAN

Unfortunately it's not just knack bags as you put it.

We have Reverends in the north who want these things built and defend the builders. Politicians too.

It's a real classless culture. Most normal people in the world, if you asked them what culture was, would talk about art, music, drama, poetry etc. But culture to some is building a huge bonfire wherever they want, threatening people if they talk about moving it, loading it with tyres to poison the air, putting property at risk, and putting photos of people on it to express your sectarianism and racism.

Yeah, that's culture NI style.

realdanbreen

realdanbreen wrote: »

Apparently 30+ firms have been approached to remove/dismantle it but nobody will touch it°

Let them burn effigies at the campfire. As long they're not torching cars or threatening the lives of innocents.

NIMAN

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Let them burn effigies at the campfire. As long they're not torching cars or threatening the lives of innocents.

But they are threatening lives of innocents


People in Armagh have been sent a letter from their housing association telling them to leave their homes for the night for their own safety.

Boxing.Fan

My Birthday

ciarang85

There's more culture in a yogurt than there is in that shower

_Brian

realdanbreen wrote: »

I see where there is a gigantic pile of pallets stacked up in an estate in Portadown which the fire service regard as a 'serious health and safety risk'. Apparently 30+ firms have been approached to remove/dismantle it but nobody will touch it. One things for certain if that was some years ago in a nationalist area the British army would be steaming in like a flash to dismantle it and anything else that was in its way.

Went past that on Sunday.
Mother of god it’s enormous, bigger each year.

Isn’t that one meant to be lit tonight?

NIMAN

Do you not remember a couple of years back the huge one in Belfast city centre melted the windows of an apartment block and there was a legal row as to who was responsible for fixing them?

Let's have a look at what stuff they burn on it this year, see how inclusive these folk are.

realdanbreen

Deleted User wrote: »

Let them burn effigies at the campfire. As long they're not torching cars or threatening the lives of innocents.

It's a little bit more than a 'campfire' to be fair. It's ironic that like all these expressions of culture they take place in the poorer areas where residents are generally regarded like **** on the shoes of the people in power. I doubt if there will be any huge bonfires on the Malone road or anywhere near Nigel Dodds gaff or Paisleys house.

The Glorious 12th is in August.

There is nothing glorious about that backwater anniversary up there each July.

Noveight

Mickey Harte shouldn’t have apologized for the team singing ‘Ra tunes on the bus.

Mad_maxx

NIMAN wrote: »

Unfortunately it's not just knack bags as you put it.

We have Reverends in the north who want these things built and defend the builders. Politicians too.

It's a real classless culture. Most normal people in the world, if you asked them what culture was, would talk about art, music, drama, poetry etc. But culture to some is building a huge bonfire wherever they want, threatening people if they talk about moving it, loading it with tyres to poison the air, putting property at risk, and putting photos of people on it to express your sectarianism and racism.

Yeah, that's culture NI style.

Journalist Peter hitchens ( not someone who would favour a united Ireland) put it well during a documentary about the North some years ago while observing a bonfire event where the tri colour was burned

" one wonders if the best way to celebrate one's own culture is by denigrating someone else's"

SEPT 23 1989

It’s a very impressive build

Hector Savage

Is the bonfire itself the night of the 11th ?

realdanbreen

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

It’s a very impressive build

It certainly is and the thing is they then go and burn it down!

Hector Savage

Hector Savage wrote: »

Is the bonfire itself the night of the 11th ?

BBC saying that one is due to be lit tonight.

Hector Savage

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

It’s a very impressive build

It's massive ! like a building, how the hell does it stay stable, is there many injuries of lads falling when they are putting pallets on the top ??

realdanbreen

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

Hector Savage wrote: »

Is the bonfire itself the night of the 11th ?

BBC saying that one is due to be lit tonight.

Portadown loyalists like to get their bigotry in first.

whisky_galore

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

The Glorious 12th is in August.

There is nothing glorious about that backwater anniversary up there each July.

An annual shïtshow, anyone with any sense would avoid the place or get out of there. And to think people seriously considering having anything to do with the pondlife up there.

blinding

The bigger your Bonfire the smaller your Cock .

And the way the Loyalists / Unionists / Protestants are doing in the demographic stakes its seems they are not using their Cocks either .

BobMc

The will is not there to dismantle them from law enforcement either,

Why cant they dismantle under armed police as soon as building starts, go back everyday or multiple times per day to
dismantle, these things take weeks to build I'm guessing, wheres the will to prevent its building in the first place.

I think we're never going to reach a proper complete settlement of the differences in the north EVER !

blinding

After Brexit Leo will Fix the North with Photo Shoots >

Hamsterchops

realdanbreen wrote: »

I see where there is a gigantic pile of pallets stacked up in an estate in Portadown which the fire service regard as a 'serious health and safety risk'. Apparently 30+ firms have been approached to remove/dismantle it but nobody will touch it. One things for certain if that was some years ago in a nationalist area the British army would be steaming in like a flash to dismantle it and anything else that was in its way.

Not sure what you're on about there, the army dismantling bonfires? maybe during the Troubles ..... Anyway, the army aren't patrolling estates anymore, as the terrorists threat is minimal.

Never could understand the bonfires on the 12th though, it's steeped in the history and tradition of one of the two big tribes! Seems very important to them.

steves2

Someone should tell them what the ORANGE part of the tricolour stands for. The clue is in the name. I actually think we should abandon the tricolour as a flag, it's meaningless and made up and clearly is lost on the very people it's supposed to include.

TheValeyard

Couldnt they march off the Giants Causeway and keep going?

realdanbreen

Hamsterchops wrote: »

realdanbreen wrote: »

I see where there is a gigantic pile of pallets stacked up in an estate in Portadown which the fire service regard as a 'serious health and safety risk'. Apparently 30+ firms have been approached to remove/dismantle it but nobody will touch it. One things for certain if that was some years ago in a nationalist area the British army would be steaming in like a flash to dismantle it and anything else that was in its way.

Not sure what you're on about there, the army dismantling bonfires? maybe during the Troubles ..... Anyway, the army aren't patrolling estates anymore, as the terrorists threat is minimal.

Never could understand the bonfires on the 12th though, it's steeped in the history and tradition of one of the two big tribes! Seems very important to them.

I never said the army were patrolling estates but there is still an army presence in the north. So if the fire service say there is a serious risk surely the council have a responsibility to get it dismantled one way or the other.

topper75

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

The Glorious 12th is in August.

Thanks. I thought my calendar was ****ed.
12 posts in before correction?

And I don't get the yogurt sleight either. It has a lot of culture. We are going to need a better analogy.

ToddyDoody

Highlights from previous years include seeing a motorist driving into gathered crowds. (repeatedly)

NIMAN

And don't forget that many of these shows of culture receive taxpayers funding.

We are paying for these hate fests.

NIMAN

And don't forget that many of these shows of culture receive taxpayers funding.

We are paying for these hate fests.

blinding

ToddyDoody wrote: »

Highlights from previous years include seeing a motorist driving into gathered crowds. (repeatedly)

He confused Voiture with Culture :eek:

Beechwoodspark

Lads and ladies don’t be fooling yourselves.

If there was even 3 pallets stacked on top of each other in West Belfast or the Bogside and it was decided by the authorities to get rid of them,

the full weight of the British war machine would be brought to bear down on it.

Air land sea total 360 degrees solution.

Including mass civilian casualties if felt required by the “top brass”.

Then denial and deflection for 30-50 years until the truth comes out

Plus ça change....

Same sh1t different day

branie2

Trouble on the way come the 12th

braidman

there'll be a few Tyrone jerseys on the bonfire for sure!

El_Duderino 09

The bonfires are a bit stupid and are obviously an attempt to thumb the nose at the government and the other side. But it's much better than actual terrorism.

I'd be much happier if this is the way people blow off steam a few times a year rather than being ready for war

J Mysterio

InTheShadows wrote: »

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-48926982

Jesus, I knew they were big, but that's frickin insane! What's wrong these people? Whatever happened to creating a normal bonfire? They are dangerous enough.

Hamsterchops

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Lads and ladies don’t be fooling yourselves.

If there was even 3 pallets stacked on top of each other in West Belfast or the Bogside and it was decided by the authorities to get rid of them,

the full weight of the British war machine would be brought to bear down on it.

Air land sea total 360 degrees solution.

Including mass civilian casualties if felt required by the “top brass”.

Then denial and deflection for 30-50 years until the truth comes out

British War machine, mass civilian casualties, air, land and sea 360° solution to dismante some pallets :cool:
Far too dramatic.....

Seanachai

The English really knew what they were doing dumping them over here, they're like some bunch that were brought in from Europe for some war or other in the Middle Ages and then they became surplus to requirements. The prods from my neck of the woods tend to be very insular, but they have some sense of balance about them.

El_Duderino 09

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Lads and ladies don’t be fooling yourselves.

If there was even 3 pallets stacked on top of each other in West Belfast or the Bogside and it was decided by the authorities to get rid of them,

the full weight of the British war machine would be brought to bear down on it.

Air land sea total 360 degrees solution.

Including mass civilian casualties if felt required by the “top brass”.

Then denial and deflection for 30-50 years until the truth comes out

Plus ça change....

Same sh1t different day

Hyperbole aside, I don't think that's true. The government treats both sides with kid gloves. Just look at all the smuggling thru allow at the border. Keeping those people away from violence is a priority.

Penfailed

Noveight wrote: »

Mickey Harte shouldn’t have apologized for the team singing ‘Ra tunes on the bus.

Of course he should have. The team should have a bit of cop on. Respect is a two way street.

blinding

Seanachai wrote: »

The English really knew what they were doing dumping them over here, they're like some bunch that were brought in from Europe for some war or other in the Middle Ages and then they became surplus to requirements. The prods from my neck of the woods tend to be very insular, but they have some sense of balance about them.

Ya can’t build them bonfires without Balance !;)

Plumbthedepths

It's great their employers give them the time off to build the tower of pallets.

Mad_maxx

Someone earlier referred to how these people in East Belfast etc are ignored by unionist politicians but how same politicians pander to them via silence regarding bonfires

You have to remember that loyalists are a people who want very little, they want to slag off their neighbours religion and emblems but that's all that they want.

It's a similar situation to how the republican party in America pander to the southern trailer park voter demographic via nods to the bible etc while sending their jobs to China

To further the point, the southern red necks are Scots Irish

evil_seed

spodoinkle

I have a wedding that day and I have bought the brightest orange tie I could find, I'm expecting one of my cousins to turn up in an orange suit.

Eggs For Dinner

Those bonfire pyres did not go up overnight. The authorities should have dismantled them early on, as soon as the size they would become was apparent. They're out in the open FFS. The fact they did nothing tells you everything you want to know about what's wrong with that part of the world

Fracture

one solution (if it can be done) is to fine any business who hand pallets out to these knob heads. Some kind of system were the business pays to get them and recieves a refund when they are returned needs to be put in place. Any business that gives them out is basically burning cash.

Ten of Swords

Sadly taking pallets out of circulation won't help, they'll just burn other materials (tyres and construction waste)

SEPT 23 1989

If businesses don’t hand them over they would have a bonfire in their own yards

Tyres are not used now due to the climate emergency