VW ID.3

Mike9832

Shefwedfan wrote: »

A company selling over 10 million cars a year

I doubt they are concerned they only have 27000 reservations for a car people have not seen the inside or out

Even to have27000 is good

Don't know if good is the right term

€150,000 Porsche Taycan has more reservations than this affordable Volkswagen Golf clone

Honestly thought demand would be massive, huge backlog etc

charlieIRL

Lumen wrote: »

So people think "I won't get a Leaf now, I'll hang on for an ID.3"

I’ve noticed in the last two weeks prices of ex-demo and secondhand e-golfs in main dealers has dropped, I wonder are they trying to get rid of them before the ID is launched?

I’m thinking of holding on for another two weeks to see.

Shefwedfan

Mike9832 wrote: »

Don't know if good is the right term

€150,000 Porsche Taycan has more reservations than this affordable Volkswagen Golf clone

Honestly thought demand would be massive, huge backlog etc

I don't see people going out and reserving a new Golf before they have seen what it looks like and what the inside is like


The Porsche is a premium car and reservation work with those cars


Tesla stuck out this reservation thing and people lapped it up, majority of people got burned with it....I doubt many will follow suit again.....


The eGolf is the best selling electric car in Germany in July....so they have a market for electric cars.....

Mike9832

Shefwedfan wrote: »

I don't see people going out and reserving a new Golf before they have seen what it looks like and what the inside is like


The Porsche is a premium car and reservation work with those cars


Tesla stuck out this reservation thing and people lapped it up, majority of people got burned with it....I doubt many will follow suit again.....


The eGolf is the best selling electric car in Germany in July....so they have a market for electric cars.....

You can't compare it to an old ICE Golf

Format has changed, reservations for EV's is a thing now, from Peugeot to Tesla they all doing it, demand is there, look at eNiro waiting list etc

ID3 1st edition for €40,000 has obviously not captured consumers attention the way Tesla Model 3, Porsche has

IrishHomer

Anyone here know if I pre-order the ID3 today when should I expect to actually get one?

Shefwedfan

Mike9832 wrote: »

You can't compare it to an old ICE Golf

Format has changed, reservations for EV's is a thing now, from Peugeot to Tesla they all doing it, demand is there, look at eNiro waiting list etc

ID3 1st edition for €40,000 has obviously not captured consumers attention the way Tesla Model 3, Porsche has

Tesla got loads of reservations which people then cancelled loads of them.....also getting put onto a list for a 35k car which never became available


It was pointless exercise anyway because someone who waited for 2-3years bought it, showed it around office but John could walk in the next day and buy one:P


Demand is high for eNiro when you only have 50 available for the whole of Ireland.....


I doubt VW are too concerned about reservations when all we have is a couple of snaps of it doing test drives and nothing of the inside yet....no idea of spec or anything......

CFC007

I would say around May 2020. We’ll know more in 2 weeks time after the reveal.

IrishHomer wrote: »

Anyone here know if I pre-order the ID3 today when should I expect to actually get one?

Mike9832

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Tesla got loads of reservations which people then cancelled loads of them.....also getting put onto a list for a 35k car which never became available


It was pointless exercise anyway because someone who waited for 2-3years bought it, showed it around office but John could walk in the next day and buy one:P


Demand is high for eNiro when you only have 50 available for the whole of Ireland...


I doubt VW are too concerned about reservations when all we have is a couple of snaps of it doing test drives and nothing of the inside yet....no idea of spec or anything......

True

Doubt they care, probably pleased even with lack of demand, they'd prefer sell something with an engine

catharsis

Mike9832 wrote: »

Don't know if good is the right term

€150,000 Porsche Taycan has more reservations than this affordable Volkswagen Golf clone

Honestly thought demand would be massive, huge backlog etc

Taycan is guiding a good bit lower than that actually.... $90K in the US is a published figure I believe... which is $5K or so above the model S price.

OTOH Porsches in ireland have historically had massive gouging on top of UK prices with no justification at all, so who knows what will happen here.

Lumen

catharsis wrote: »

Porsches in ireland have historically had massive gouging on top of UK prices with no justification at all

VRT?

slave1

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Tesla got loads of reservations which people then cancelled loads of them.....also getting put onto a list for a 35k car which never became available

Pretty sure you well know it was a $35k car, never a €35k car, and it was widely available in the US as posted here many times before, my work colleague has one and it was zero hassle in getting it.

hatrack

catharsis wrote: »

Taycan is guiding a good bit lower than that actually.... $90K in the US is a published figure I believe... which is $5K or so above the model S price.

OTOH Porsches in ireland have historically had massive gouging on top of UK prices with no justification at all, so who knows what will happen here.

Apologies slightly off topic but if you reserve today - when would your Taycan be expected to arrive?

Shefwedfan

slave1 wrote: »

Pretty sure you well know it was a $35k car, never a €35k car, and it was widely available in the US as posted here many times before, my work colleague has one and it was zero hassle in getting it.

Widely?



Anything I find says it was pulled very quickly after launch and is not available anymore....


Maybe I am wrong?

charlieIRL

I was “hypothetically” planning a route for my driving today to see where I would need to charge and when looking through the settings to pick the e-golf there’s now 3 options for the ID3?

Does ABRP know something I haven’t heard yet?

49kWh, 58kWh and 77kWh versions of the ID3??

doublecross

Jealous of your destination charlie

I see price in Norway of NOK 330,000 ($36,000), not sure if post/pre grants.
(https://www.teslarati.com/vw-id3-price-range-charging-speed-details/)

Silent Running

charlieIRL wrote: »

I was “hypothetically” planning a route for my driving today to see where I would need to charge and when looking through the settings to pick the e-golf there’s now 3 options for the ID3?

Does ABRP know something I haven’t heard yet?

49kWh, 58kWh and 77kWh versions of the ID3??

I'm pretty sure that was always the case. The 1st is going to be the 58kWh. The 49 and 77s will be available on the cars coming through the normal order process. As will the full range of spec options: AI satnav and glass roof included.

The chassis will come with the option of up to 111kWh for the bigger bodies, like the Buzz for example.

catharsis

hatrack wrote: »

Apologies slightly off topic but if you reserve today - when would your Taycan be expected to arrive?

You cannot reserve one in Ireland or the UK - they are not taking any reservations I understand.

I would worry about RHD markets - but I guess we will get a real answer once it launches at the Frankfurt show next month

charlieIRL

doublecross wrote: »

Jealous of your destination charlie

I see price in Norway of NOK 330,000 ($36,000), not sure if post/pre grants.
(https://www.teslarati.com/vw-id3-price-range-charging-speed-details/)

Some spot, my second time to play it. Very tough though.

catharsis

Mike9832 wrote: »

Saw 128kW for mid range in a screenshot

just to note that the VW site no longer says Q1 for 1st edition deliveries but now states Summer 2020 for 1st edition deliveries, I see this as at least a 3 month delay to previously published timelines.

Mike9832

catharsis wrote: »

just to note that the VW site no longer says Q1 for 1st edition deliveries but now states Summer 2020 for 1st edition deliveries, I see this as at least a 3 month delay to previously published timelines.

Right job

Longer they wait more time for competition to eat away at them

Honestly that 45kWh ID for €30,000 ( looking like 2021) looks really unattractive

A bloody supermini Zoe has 52kWh this year

KCross

catharsis wrote: »

just to note that the VW site no longer says Q1 for 1st edition deliveries but now states Summer 2020 for 1st edition deliveries, I see this as at least a 3 month delay to previously published timelines.

But wasnt it always a Summer 2020 car for Ireland? That was what I thought anyway.

Silent Running

KCross wrote: »

But wasnt it always a Summer 2020 car for Ireland? That was what I thought anyway.

I was originally quoted April... then that drifted out to June. That's when I decided not to wait.

NIMAN

These VW ID were being heavily advertised in the cinema last night.

Think I counted 3 different ads spread out before the film started.

JPA

NIMAN wrote: »

These VW ID were being heavily advertised in the cinema last night.

Think I counted 3 different ads spread out before the film started.

A lot of advertising wayyy in advance, TV as well.
Definitely a strategy to get people to wait rather than committing to another brand.

charlieIRL

When in september is it being officially launched?

KCross

charlieIRL wrote: »

When in september is it being officially launched?

Frankfurt motor show and its the official reveal only so not exactly a launch as you still cant buy it.

Production to begin in 2020 so you may not even see Irish pricing this year.

coward

Seen a video where the guy is showing how you can have a towbar on the ID.3. I believe it's not for actually towing anything - but to be used for a bicycle carrier etc. Being able to attach a towbar bicycle carrier is high up on my list of things to consider. I hope it's an option that's available on the trim level for Ireland.

Looks like it has the power outlet too.



This is the link to the video. Towbar is at about the 8 minute mark. No idea what the chap is saying though.

https://www.elbil24.no/tester/alt-om-den-forste-elektriske-virkelige-folkevogna-id3/71373857

Royale with Cheese

Will the long range model be under the magical €50k mark?

unkel

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

Will the long range model be under the magical €50k mark?

For the base trim level? If we reckon that the 48kWh (45kWh usable) in base level will start here at €30k, the 62kWh (58 kWh usable) in first edition here at €40k, then surely the base 82kWh (77kWh usable) must be well under the €50k mark, I'd say more like €45k

The extra battery capacity costing at say €200/kWh so 34 * 200 = just 7 grand. Add on some taxes and extra profit margin.

Royale with Cheese

Sweet, I can even go up a trim level or two. All I need now is the BIK laws to remain unchanged.

unkel

There is a caveat though. Many people on this forum, myself included, have guesstimated Irish prices of up and coming EVs too low this year. There is a far bigger demand for EVs than there is supply and that won't change next year, or any time soon. So car makers can get away with asking very high prices for these cars

A notable example is the Hyundai Kona, a small basic enough spec crossover. In its cheapest petrol from it's something like €21k, but with the long range battery it's €39k (after €10k subsidy)!

yabadabado

The estimate of first addition at €40k ,I'm guessing that's after subsidies?

unkel

Yep

timmaii

At some stage we'd like to go down to one EV family car but I wouldn't consider anything that can't carry bikes. Delighted to see Tesla and now VW including "tow" bars.

coward wrote: »

Seen a video where the guy is showing how you can have a towbar on the ID.3. I believe it's not for actually towing anything - but to be used for a bicycle carrier etc. Being able to attach a towbar bicycle carrier is high up on my list of things to consider. I hope it's an option that's available on the trim level for Ireland.

PDiddy87

Do we know if the car has a frunk? I seen the guy in the video open it, but my Norwegian isn't great!

Dempsey

Have the 1st edition booking since day dot but im going to drop out for an egolf

Happy about trading up to a good spec egolf for the same running costs as what i have, disapointed missing out on the id3, think it will be savage but just not for me in the end considering my yearly trip of 43k

BigAl81

Saw an add there from VW saying "tried of waiting for an ID, get an eGolf now on 2 year PCP and be ready to for ID then" or something along those lines.

Mustn't be expecting any IDs anytime soon so!!?

Mike9832

Dempsey wrote: »

Have the 1st edition booking since day dot but im going to drop out for an egolf

Happy about trading up to a good spec egolf for the same running costs as what i have, disapointed missing out on the id3, think it will be savage but just not for me in the end considering my yearly trip of 43k

Hope your getting a big discount

é-Golf price down €4000 in Germany and UK

I'd be ringing dealer

Mike9832

BigAl81 wrote: »

Saw an add there from VW saying "tried of waiting for an ID, get an eGolf now on 2 year PCP and be ready to for ID then" or something along those lines.

Mustn't be expecting any IDs anytime soon so!!?

They need to sell a few for emissions

Sales cant tank and competitors coming

Shefwedfan

BigAl81 wrote: »

Saw an add there from VW saying "tried of waiting for an ID, get an eGolf now on 2 year PCP and be ready to for ID then" or something along those lines.

Mustn't be expecting any IDs anytime soon so!!?

eGolf is exceptional car

The range on the Gen 2 is more than most people would want.

In reality for a lot of people they will buy from vw dealer and the ID will probably be 2021 before they are in big supply

Would you be mad to buy a 192 eGolf.....I don’t think so :-)

charlieIRL

Mike9832 wrote: »

Hope your getting a big discount

é-Golf price down €4000 in Germany and UK

I'd be ringing dealer

Won’t get a cent off here in Ireland. Believe me, I’ve tried!!

They dropped £2700 off New in UKl.

Lumen

Shefwedfan wrote: »

eGolf is exceptional car

The range on the Gen 2 is more than most people would want.

In reality for a lot of people they will buy from vw dealer and the ID will probably be 2021 before they are in big supply

Would you be mad to buy a 192 eGolf.....I don’t think so :-)

What would you guess an 192 eGolf will be worth in a private sale after say three years, i.e. in late 2022?

charlieIRL

Lumen wrote: »

What would you guess an 192 eGolf will be worth in a private sale after say three years, i.e. in late 2022?

According to PCP Calculator the GMFV is €13000

Mike9832

charlieIRL wrote: »

Won’t get a cent off here in Ireland. Believe me, I’ve tried!!

They dropped £2700 off New in UKl.

Be off your head to buy then

At sub €30,000 it's a good EV brand new, even considering whats coming from other manufacturers soon

Easy to get a 191 eGolf from the UK for under €25,000 all in

How much did they want off you?

BigAl81

Shefwedfan wrote:

eGolf is exceptional car

Yep, agree, was more commenting on the ID release date, not disparaging the eGolf

charlieIRL

Mike9832 wrote: »

Be off your head to buy then

At sub €30,000 it's a good EV brand new, even considering whats coming from other manufacturers soon

Easy to get a 191 eGolf from the UK for under €25,000 all in

How much did they want off you?

Not a chance of getting a new one here for €30k! Believe me I’ve been trying, even a 191 from the UK is near €30 home.

I’ve the figures left st work but thing a standard one was €38 and the Executive was €43 after grants.

Shefwedfan

Lumen wrote: »

What would you guess an 192 eGolf will be worth in a private sale after say three years, i.e. in late 2022?

A 151 eGolf is selling for 18k private and more via a garage so that's a decent guide......

Shefwedfan

Mike9832 wrote: »

Be off your head to buy then

At sub €30,000 it's a good EV brand new, even considering whats coming from other manufacturers soon

Easy to get a 191 eGolf from the UK for under €25,000 all in

How much did they want off you?

Where is a 191 eGolf selling for 25K?


A 171 which had the new battery and similar spec to the Gen 1 sold for 27k+ earlier this year.

Lumen

Shefwedfan wrote: »

A 151 eGolf is selling for 18k private and more via a garage so that's a decent guide......

Hmmm. Past performance is no guide to future performance.

In two years it should be possible to buy a decent 50kWh EV out of a showroom for under €30K.

I can't see eGolf prices holding up well.

Shefwedfan

Lumen wrote: »

Hmmm. Past performance is no guide to future performance.

In two years it should be possible to buy a decent 50kWh EV out of a showroom for under €30K.

I can't see eGolf prices holding up well.

Well if you don't want to use past performance why are you asking the question?


What else can we use?