VW ID.3

Mike9832

unkel wrote: »

Lots of legroom in the rear, also plenty of headroom for people not well over 6'. Not so sure about the width though. Looks similar to Ioniq maybe a bit smaller, that would be a deal breaker to me, boot looks similar in size to Ioniq

Bit mean that the 45kWh doesn't get 3 phase 11kW AC, but I can live with that

Cd 0.26 is as good as it gets in a car that doesn't look extremely aerodynamic

Looks good in fairness

Decent all round package in terms of size, power, charge speed etc

Still think 45kWh is too small in 2020 for a family car, fine for Zoe, Corsa, Polo size car

Suppose you can get 58/77kWh if you need more range

stesaurus

Over in Goodwood for a few days and getting to see it up close and personal. They gave a talk and q&a session.
Few things I picked up. The two bumps under the windscreen are part of the final product. Both will be black and the rest of the car will be your choice. Two of the colour choices will be the current camo colours, so that pinkish red or turquoise.
The led VW sign isn't possible due to regulations. There will be led panels inside that can be customised to change colour.
They are stating the inside will be as spacious as a Passat.
The power options will be possible to upgrade due to an OTA software update. It will be a few K to purchase and can be done anytime after buying. They are trying to offer it as a weekend temporary update but they think it won't be possible due to insurance issues.
Oh and the ID.R just broke the 20 year old hill record today

CFC007

Not sure how I feel about VW talking about charging customers for a motor software upgrade. The ID3 first isn’t look too hot now given it’s going to be close to €40k starting price and probably that’s not for the max spec.

unkel

CFC007 wrote: »

Not sure how I feel about VW talking about charging customers for a motor software upgrade.

It's the new reality. I remember BMW charging well over the odds for remaps (at least a decade ago). And then there is Tesla. This will be generally accepted practice soon enough

It actually works out quite well for people in Ireland as you don't have to pay VRT on upgrades purchased later

stesaurus

The first one of those bumps will also be part of a frunk to hold your cables etc.

drunkmonkey

Then had to calm it down, it's 180bhp rear wheel drive as standard, letting it out with anything more to your average vw driver would be dangerous. I think 180 is still dangerous if your not used to it.
I'll gladly pay to put it up to 200+, that's a lot of power through the back.
Maybe the first will get free upgrades...those 20 inch wheels can handle a bit more than 180.

Mike9832

stesaurus wrote: »

Over in Goodwood for a few days and getting to see it up close and personal. They gave a talk and q&a session.
Few things I picked up. The two bumps under the windscreen are part of the final product. Both will be black and the rest of the car will be your choice. Two of the colour choices will be the current camo colours, so that pinkish red or turquoise.
The led VW sign isn't possible due to regulations. There will be led panels inside that can be customised to change colour.
They are stating the inside will be as spacious as a Passat.
The power options will be possible to upgrade due to an OTA software update. It will be a few K to purchase and can be done anytime after buying. They are trying to offer it as a weekend temporary update but they think it won't be possible due to insurance issues.
Oh and the ID.R just broke the 20 year old hill record today

F1 car from 98 would have easily beat it with better tyres, if you watch both vids the ID had so much better traction, while the F1 car lost traction everytime it accelerated, losing so much time

Still unbelievable from the ID, but the F1 car was ferocious

https://youtu.be/qP6oJGiX-Ds

Mike9832

Looks nice

Mike9832

Looks nice

Mike9832

https://m.imgur.com/r/electricvehicles/q4fjSoB

drunkmonkey

Seems to be 2 motors, we know the 180bhp but this article mentions driving the 204ps
"But it did have the middle-sized, 58kWh version of three available battery packs, and the more powerful of two available electric drive motors"

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/volkswagen/id-3/first-drives/volkswagen-id-3-2020-review

Mike9832

drunkmonkey wrote: »

Seems to be 2 motors, we know the 180bhp but this article mentions driving the 204ps
"But it did have the middle-sized, 58kWh version of three available battery packs, and the more powerful of two available electric drive motors"

https://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/volkswagen/id-3/first-drives/volkswagen-id-3-2020-review

Makes sense

As VW mentioned an ota software update is available to go from lower power to higher power version, as in hardware is the same,

drunkmonkey

That suggests there different motors I doubt it's just software. The R and GTi need to live on past the MK8 golf.

liamog

It's probably similar to the Kona, the 39kWh and 64kWh have the same physical motor, but the 39kWh has 100kW (136PS) vs 150kW (204PS)

Round Cable

liamog wrote: »

It's probably similar to the Kona, the 39kWh and 64kWh have the same physical motor, but the 39kWh has 100kW (136PS) vs 150kW (204PS)

It's also the same with the Leaf, as the 24kWh (since 2013), 30kWh, 40kWh, and 62kWh versions all have the exact same physical motor. The power electronics and software are the only differences.

slave1

Does the 62 not have a new motor...

Round Cable

slave1 wrote: »

Does the 62 not have a new motor...

It has the same EM57 motor as all the variants listed above.

Link: https://www3.nissan.co.jp/vehicles/new/leaf/specifications.html#manual

Also on the looks of the ID.3, it certainly looks very similar to the Leaf from the side profile.

Nedved85

Just watched the AutoCar test drive. My head (my bank account really) is saying I should get a VW ID 3. My heart is saying that I should get a Model 3. 420km on the 58kwh battery, so in reality that'll be 350/360km? Similar range on the Model 3 SR +, but aboout 18k more expensive

Mike9832

Nedved85 wrote: »

Just watched the AutoCar test drive. My head (my bank account really) is saying I should get a VW ID 3. My heart is saying that I should get a Model 3. 420km on the 58kwh battery, so in reality that'll be 350/360km? Similar range on the Model 3 SR +, but aboout 18k more expensive

About 8k more expensive

ID 58kWh will be €40,000

€30,000 might get you a 45kWh with hubcaps in 2021

Nedved85

Mike9832 wrote: »

About 8k more expensive

ID 58kWh will be €40,000

€30,000 might get you a 45kWh with hubcaps in 2021

Huh? I thought it was 40k before incentives?

Mike9832

Nedved85 wrote: »

Huh? I thought it was 40k before incentives?

After unfortunately

They launching 1st edition next year which most here are saying €40,000

Cheaper models to launch months after that model, no details given yet

https://www.google.com/amp/s/insideevs.com/news/350968/volkswagen-id-3-launch-plans-detail/amp/

Nedved85

Mike9832 wrote: »

After unfortunately

They launching 1st edition next year which most here are saying €40,000

Cheaper models to launch months after that model, no details given yet

https://www.google.com/amp/s/insideevs.com/news/350968/volkswagen-id-3-launch-plans-detail/amp/

If that's the case, I'll wait on for the Tesla so.

Shefwedfan

Nedved85 wrote: »

If that's the case, I'll wait on for the Tesla so.

Nobody know yet, wait a few months and prices released

Nedved85

Shefwedfan wrote: »

Nobody know yet, wait a few months and prices released

Will do, not in a position for either right now.

McGiver

Mike9832 wrote:

ID 58kWh will be €40,000

ID3 intermediate battery will be 37ish. Without extras.

tooth*grinder

unkel wrote: »

It actually works out quite well for people in Ireland as you don't have to pay VRT on upgrades purchased later

Well I think we can all see what's going to happen there.
From there I'd say its only a short jump to taxing phone (and computers etc..) software updates.

Mike9832

McGiver wrote: »

ID3 intermediate battery will be 37ish. Without extras.

Probably

unkel

tooth*grinder wrote: »

Well I think we can all see what's going to happen there.
From there I'd say its only a short jump to taxing phone (and computers etc..) software updates.

Nah. People have had dealers installing options like leather seats, sunroofs etc for decades. No VRT was ever paid on these.

CFC007

I was at the sneak peek preview over in Wolfsburg. We got to see the physical ID with the camo and without. Phones were taken from us so no pics. The interior is the same as the El Born with dash and door side panels customizable. The interior lights look good. The car we saw had the two tone seat interior as already shown online. I think up to 3 drivers profiles can be saved. The car itself was much more impressive in the flesh. The hump on the front under the windscreen is for pedestrian safety. It didn’t take too much from the car as it’s much more flat and blends in with car lines. There will be a choice of 8 colours. The white looked very good with the non standard efficiency saving 19” alloys. I just can’t take to those diamond cut wheels. Premium audio which looked like beats audio. Lot of room inside as expected. Was interesting to listen to the head of VW design going through the design process. On screen comparisons were made to the golf and the increased in height and short front helped to create the space inside. On the HUD, we saw a computer demo which looked cool I think it works upto 50 meters away with the projections. Pana roof also looked cool just looked like a black roof.

No further info on delivery, price, OTA updates. Let’s see in September.

Old diesel

https://youtu.be/A8cHHNPRg-c

Autocar review of a late prototype.

This same event you were at CFC007????

CFC007

No was just for reservation holders. VW said this was never done before. The Dutch were the most represented, followed by Norway, Poland and Denmark. Was a really cool event and we even got camo ID 3 socks!

Old diesel wrote: »

https://youtu.be/A8cHHNPRg-c

Autocar review of a late prototype.

This same event you were at CFC007????

drunkmonkey

When you say the HuD works up to 50 meters away, does it project onto the road or just project onto the window giving information up to 50 meters away.

CFC007

I guess it projects on to the window as the box for it sits on the drivers side behind the cluster built into the dash. Looked like 3D images so you’ll have your arrows for sat nav, speed limit etc

drunkmonkey wrote: »

When you say the HuD works up to 50 meters away, does it project onto the road or just project onto the window giving information up to 50 meters away.

Old diesel

Did my link work?????.

I literally just figured out how to do copy and paste on my phone and the link doesn't work at my end in my post.

Not sure if that's to do with me looking at my own post or not

CFC007

Yeah I was able to copy and paste your link into my browser.

Old diesel wrote: »

Did my link work?????.

I literally just figured out how to do copy and paste on my phone and the link doesn't work at my end in my post.

Not sure if that's to do with me looking at my own post or not

pearsefitz

I was also there. Well described above. The hud display project's to the windscreen but must alter it to overlay direction and speed on ground. So essentially you get speed and directions overlayed on the oncoming road. Its like a bus stop or yield on-road marking but live and roles toward you and then out of site. The colour style of the roof and boot is black for all models. So think two tone is standard(could be wrong) boot seemed deeper virtically, seemed thinner width wise and same dept as my egolf. Attached is pretty much the outside we saw with different wheels. Some other notes were no foot rest in one we sat in, individual arm rests, lepard spots on back pillar and a standard grey colour for skirts, back and front grill. Huge wheels estimated 24 inches.Keyless entry with phone, hud. The parking menu in the screen. Usb ports for back passengers. Amazing time and vw ireland legends for the access we got.

unkel

Did you guys get a chance to sit in it and if so, what's your assessment of space in the back? Really as big as a Passat?

drunkmonkey

Was there an isofix in the front?

Mickeroo

Old diesel wrote: »

https://youtu.be/A8cHHNPRg-c

Autocar review of a late prototype.

This same event you were at CFC007????

Embed the vid for the lazy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8cHHNPRg-c

Matqo

Just in: Official VW video showcasing the dashboard

drunkmonkey

They done a BMW on it and stuck a tablet on the dashboard. : ( , oh Audi with your disappearing tablet how I do love thee.

The lips

Do I see an indication of heated and cooled seats?

pearsefitz

The lips wrote: »

Do I see an indication of heated and cooled seats?

Yes that was present in what we saw. Much bigger interior than a golf

Old diesel

Mickeroo wrote: »

Old diesel wrote: »

https://youtu.be/A8cHHNPRg-c

Autocar review of a late prototype.

This same event you were at CFC007????

Embed the vid for the lazy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A8cHHNPRg-c

How do I do that on the phone?????

Irishjg

Cancelled my reservation this evening. Kona64 on the way to me in a couple of weeks so happy to stick with the tried and tested for a couple of years. Might look at the ID3 77 as an option in 2022 if VW gets everything right. Shouldn’t have too much trouble shifting the Kona even in three years.

Mickeroo

Old diesel wrote: »

How do I do that on the phone?????

Type this without the spaces: [ YOUTUBE ]A8cHHNPRg-c[ /YOUTUBE ]

Phibsboro

Video is taken down, there are some decent stills from it here...

https://insideevs.com/news/359140/video-vw-tease-id3-dashboard/

arch_stanton

The prebooking site now indicates all the 1st edition reservations are gone

“Your first step into the future
As reservations for the ID.3 1ST (the limited first edition of the ID.3) are full, we are now accepting reservations for the ID.3.

By reserving the ID.3, you will also automatically be added to a waiting list for the ID.3 1st Special Edition, so in the event of a cancellation you may be in line to have your pre-order upgraded to an ID.3 1st Special Edition.”

Jack lemmon

arch_stanton wrote: »

The prebooking site now indicates all the 1st edition reservations are gone

“Your first step into the future
As reservations for the ID.3 1ST (the limited first edition of the ID.3) are full, we are now accepting reservations for the ID.3.

By reserving the ID.3, you will also automatically be added to a waiting list for the ID.3 1st Special Edition, so in the event of a cancellation you may be in line to have your pre-order upgraded to an ID.3 1st Special Edition.”

I reserved one this evening and got reservation code and confirmation.

“By reserving your very own ID.3 1ST special edition, you have just secured yourself a piece of the future.”

drunkmonkey

Hopefully an appreacting asset.