Christmas bonus for welfare recipients not only restored but increased

pjohnson

weldoninhio wrote: »

My local library has PCs. The poster I was replying to said that smartphones were needed to keep up to day with news and what was going on with the world.

If your having trouble understanding words and sentences and their replies you can pm me and I’ll help if I can.

When Cabaal pointed out libraries can be miles away from people you said Radio solved the problem.


Now you say Libraries will solve the problems radio would cause.


Its easy to follow your posts dont worry.

weldoninhio

pjohnson wrote: »

When Cabaal pointed out libraries can be miles away from people you said Radio solved the problem.


Now you say Libraries will solve the problems radio would cause.


Its easy to follow your posts dont worry.

Work is miles away from where I live. I still go. Not as if the wasters have a full schedule.

end of the road

weldoninhio wrote: »

The bleeding hearts always have a string of excuses for the lazy useless scroungers.

they don't.

weldoninhio wrote: »

If you are on SW you shouldn’t be getting luxuries. You should be getting basics. If you want luxuries get a job that affords you luxuries.

they are only getting the basics, except at christmas where the odd luxury isn't a problem.

weldoninhio wrote: »

Internet - luxury.
Smartphone 100% luxury.
TV - luxury (read a book you might learn something)
They could prob buy some meat too.
Anyone on SW should not be going on “holidays”

Holidays from what ffs!!

internet needed for job hunting. could be done without in extreme circumstances but not really a luxury.
smart phone not a luxury as all phones are likely going to go that way if they haven't already. if simply talking about paying a ridiculous price for an apple phone then you have a point.
basic tv, not a luxury but not a necessity. can be good company and can probably be good in terms of mental health as sitting in silence isn't good for anyone. reading a book isn't viable for some for many different and varied reasons.

end of the road

weldoninhio wrote: »

Or they could get a job

they couldn't no .

weldoninhio wrote: »

Yes because if you don’t have the internet you can’t visit a library, buy a newspaper or listen to the news on the radio.

The humanity of it all.

libraries are closing and lots have closed. lots of places never had them or will have them either. news papers are eventually going to go online only. radio might do the same long term all be it not any time soon.

weldoninhio wrote: »

https://m.argos.ie/static/Product/partNumber/5003806.htm

Problem solved. News AND entertainment. And cheaper than any smartphone.

Next.

poor value for money compared to the smart phone which can do more.

next.

weldoninhio wrote: »

Would love to, but it’s not in my nature not to work. God damned pride and self respect.

you mean earn a living. i don't believe anyone works because of "pride and self respect" "pride and self respect" don't pay the bills.

weldoninhio wrote: »

Work is miles away from where I live. I still go. Not as if the wasters have a full schedule.

irrelevant as it has nothing to do with the fact that libraries aren't easily accessible or don't exist depending on area.

Conall Cernach

weldoninhio wrote: »

That, obviously, would be fine. But people on long term SW shouldn’t be able to afford a smartphone or a holiday. The payment should be just enough to get them the basics.

Long term SW is after 9 months if you're talking unemployment (JSA). You could have booked and paid for a holiday while working only to be on long term SW by the time it comes round. Your smartphone is hardly likely to be outdated in that time either. Unless you want to increase the duration of contributions from 9 months then it is very easy to be considered "long term" before you find employment.

Bubbaclaus

Lol to the people saying dole lifers should be able to afford holidays. Holidays from what??

Bubbaclaus

odetooi wrote: »

Holidays from listening to the like of you working and contributing to this country, unlike leeching like themselves, at every opportunity

FYP

November Golf

odetooi wrote: »

Holidays from listening to the like of you working and contributing to this country, unlike leeching like themselves, at every opportunity

What are you contributing other than BS arguments on an online forum?? The country would be better off without wasters like you

Bubbaclaus

odetooi wrote: »

I worked for a few months in 2004 . It wasn't for me ok. Enjoy your commute tomorrow. I'll be thinking of you when im having my bottle of Fanta and cheese sandwich in bed

I'm going to assume this is a troll. At least i hope it is.

Bubbaclaus

Mike Foxtrot wrote: »

What are you contributing other than BS arguments on an online forum?? The country would be better off without wasters like you

I'm contributing my taxes to the sick in hospital and the young in education thank you very much. Draw the line at holidays and "bonuses" for dole lifers.

nthclare

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Lol to the people saying dole lifers should be able to afford holidays. Holidays from what??

I'm a job lifer, do you honestly think I give a toss if the dole went up ?

The more money these dole lifers get the less chance I have to work with them.

As I said in a previous post they're better off out of the work place, because it's not in their nature to work in a team or follow the heard.

When you've worked with these people you'll understand why they're on the dole...

They do contribute to the likes of you getting all upset about them.

They're not all wound up about people who go out there and work.

There's a lot of student lifer's too hopping from one degree to the other, no interest in getting a career.

I actually hope they'll get triple welfare next Christmas, more money to go round the system ðŸ˜

November Golf

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Mike Foxtrot wrote: »

What are you contributing other than BS arguments on an online forum?? The country would be better off without wasters like you

I'm contributing my taxes to the sick in hospital and the young in education thank you very much. Draw the line at holidays and "bonuses" for dole lifers.

Everyone contributes taxes to the sick in hospitals and the young in education. Do you want a medal?

Bubbaclaus

bonus


noun
a sum of money added to a person's wages as a reward for good performance.



"Congratulations sir on putting in a great performance at being unemployed once again this year. You have performed better than many of your peers who have only been unemployed for a short time. Here is your bonus"

Bubbaclaus

Mike Foxtrot wrote: »

Everyone contributes taxes to the sick in hospitals and the young in education. Do you want a medal?

Ah, a common misconception i read on boards. Misinformation spreads easily on here i see. Nobody living fully on welfare contributes taxes. They take their welfare from the tax pot, the fact some of it ends up back in that pot (to be paid out to them again) does not make them a contributor.

Let me dumb it down further:
If i give you 100 euro and you give me back 20 of it later, you're not going to bloody claim to have contributed 20 euro to my wealth. You've actually drained 80 of it.

fxotoole

weldoninhio wrote: »

Bollix!! People on the dole aren’t unfortunate, they get free houses, free healthcare, free dental etc. There’s a Lidl/Aldi near to most people. Struggling to pay for both Sky Sports and BT Sports does not make you unfortunate.

I take it you’ve never been on the dole then

Yer Da sells Avon

weldoninhio wrote: »

The payment should be just enough to get them the basics.

It should be enough to help them get a job. I don't think it currently is, tbh. Most of my first week's wages after coming off the dole were spent repaying family members, from whom I had borrowed €20 here, €50 there for interview-related expenses. I was lucky to be able to do that. The €198 a week would've been enough to survive on if I didn't have rent and bills to pay, and if I could afford to not bother looking for a job.

November Golf

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

Mike Foxtrot wrote: »

Everyone contributes taxes to the sick in hospitals and the young in education. Do you want a medal?

Ah, a common misconception i read on boards. Misinformation spreads easily on here i see. Nobody living fully on welfare contributes taxes. They take their welfare from the tax pot, the fact some of it ends up back in that pot (to be paid out to them again) does not make them a contributor.

Let me dumb it down further:
If i give you 100 euro and you give me back 20 of it later, you're not going to bloody claim to have contributed 20 euro to my wealth. You've actually drained 80 of it.

The problem with your argument is that you dont give me anything. Everyone pays into the pot and government decide how the money is paid out. All money paid in is paid out in some form or another whether to fund hospitals, roads, provide tax reliefs and credit to high wealth individuals, SW payment or to the fella down the road that sells pens and paper to the government a marked-up price.

Bubbaclaus

Mike Foxtrot wrote: »

The problem with your argument is that you dont give me anything. Everyone pays into the pot and government decide how the money is paid out. All money paid in is paid out in some form or another whether to fund hospitals, roads, provide tax reliefs and credit to high wealth individuals, SW payment or to the fella down the road that sells pens and paper to the government a marked-up price.

You seem to have gone off on a tangent from your original claim of "everybody contributes".

Tell me how a dole lifer contributes.

All Seeing Eye

Hitman3000 wrote: »

See wasn't that easy, all you had to do was ask. Athlone. ;-)

Even a cursory search of the internet shows these 2 places are kips. I was working down there around Cherryfield Avenue and all I saw was a load of bums sitting in the front of their houses drinking cans.

weldoninhio

nthclare wrote: »

I'm a job lifer, do you honestly think I give a toss if the dole went up ?

The more money these dole lifers get the less chance I have to work with them.

As I said in a previous post they're better off out of the work place, because it's not in their nature to work in a team or follow the heard.

When you've worked with these people you'll understand why they're on the dole...

They do contribute to the likes of you getting all upset about them.

They're not all wound up about people who go out there and work.

There's a lot of student lifer's too hopping from one degree to the other, no interest in getting a career.

I actually hope they'll get triple welfare next Christmas, more money to go round the system ðŸ˜

Get them out picking litter, cleaning graffiti etc. They don’t need to become brain surgeons. You could probably train a monkey to pick litter, shouldn’t be much more trouble to train the lazy buggers.

weldoninhio

fxotoole wrote: »

I take it you’ve never been on the dole then

Not a day in my life and proud of that fact.

Hitman3000

All Seeing Eye wrote:

Even a cursory search of the internet shows these 2 places are kips. I was working down there around Cherryfield Avenue and I just saw a load of bums sitting in the front of their houses drinking cans.

Now I know you're lying .

Church on Tuesday

Cabaal wrote: »

The hatred in some people in relation to the social welfare is unreal,

I've worked all but about 2 months of my adult life, I was unemployed for a 2 month period during the recession.
However my wife also worked pretty much all her adult life but was unemployed for longer then me when she was made redundant more then once during the recession and she had trouble getting a decent job, we worked hard to get by and the likes of the Christmas bonus made a bloody big difference and allowed us to just about scrap by what is a very expensive time of year.

I wouldn't begrudge people the Christmas bonus, it can be the difference between some people getting Santa presents for kids or just paying off some higher bills.
Yes, there are people that work the system but they are not in a majority and if you have an issue with them then come up with a workable scheme to focus on them.

But to begrudge the Christmas bonus as a whole makes you a sorry excuse for a human being.

It's mostly people who never had a hard day in their life, probably rode out the recession nice and easy, and have a chip on their shoulder because of the run up to Christmas.

These kind of people couldn't give a toss about those less fortunate, the genuine cases, your wife for example and good friends of mine I see once in a blue moon because they had to emigrate. Not a toss.

Look closely enough at their arguments and under the thin veil of contempt toward actual wasters on the dole and those screwing the system is an equal contempt for those who needed AND need it the most and in this case, a more smug, knowing contempt.

I've met plenty of this sort in my life, all more miserable than the next.

You won't get an ounce of sense out of them.

BumChum

A relative of mine is long term unemployed. Must be 10 years or more since she signed on the social welfare. That's what the statistics will tell you, and especially what the government of the day will tell you.

But the reality is quite a bit different. Through no fault of her own, she has ended up being a full time carer for 2 elderly relatives in a row AND a mentally challenged sibling. She applied for everything under the sun to help, but it basically equated to a few months of someone doing a bit of grocery shopping once a week.

So, officially long term unemployed (not to mention the fact that after the last elderly relative passes away it will be EXTREMELY difficult to get back into the workforce). Not officially a carer, receives practically no help (even from family).

She never complains but she simply must appreciate the extra bit of money at Christmas. I have no problem that my taxes help her out indirectly, from a government that is effectively useless to her otherwise.

Knowing her situation, it really makes me wonder how many people are just getting shafted left right and center "invisibly". Plenty, is my guess.

Bubbaclaus

BumChum wrote: »

A relative of mine is long term unemployed. Must be 10 years or more since she signed on the social welfare. That's what the statistics will tell you, and especially what the government of the day will tell you.

But the reality is quite a bit different. Through no fault of her own, she has ended up being a full time carer for 2 elderly relatives in a row AND a mentally challenged sibling. She applied for everything under the sun to help, but it basically equated to a few months of someone doing a bit of grocery shopping once a week.

So, officially long term unemployed (not to mention the fact that after the last elderly relative passes away it will be EXTREMELY difficult to get back into the workforce). Not officially a carer, receives practically no help (even from family).

She never complains but she simply must appreciate the extra bit of money at Christmas. I have no problem that my taxes help her out indirectly, from a government that is effectively useless to her otherwise.

Knowing her situation, it really makes me wonder how many people are just getting shafted left right and center "invisibly". Plenty, is my guess.

She would be in receipt of carer's allowance as she wouldn't be eligible for the dole. Very different to what is being discussed.

All Seeing Eye

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

It's mostly people who never had a hard day in their life, probably rode out the recession nice and easy, and have a chip on their shoulder because of the run up to Christmas.

These kind of people couldn't give a toss about those less fortunate, the genuine cases, your wife for example and good friends of mine I see once in a blue moon because they had to emigrate. Not a toss.

Look closely enough at their arguments and under the thin veil of contempt toward actual wasters on the dole and those screwing the system is an equal contempt for those who needed AND need it the most and in this case, a more smug, knowing contempt.

I met plenty of this sort in my life, all more miserable than the next.

You won't get an ounce of sense out of them.

Again another poster just demonising anyone who doesn’t agree with the Christmas bonus trying to make out we have some sort of character flaw or are some sort of psychopaths with no empathy rather than coming up with a compelling argument. Unfortunate that your friends emigrated I’m sure they have nice lives in their new countries. Plenty of jobs here now if they want to come back.

weldoninhio

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

Again another poster just demonising anyone who doesn’t agree with the Christmas bonus trying to make out we have some sort of character flaw or are some sort of psychopaths with no empathy rather than coming up with a compelling argument. Unfortunate that your friends emigrated I’m sure they have nice lives in their new countries. Plenty of jobs here now if they want to come back.

They’ve quite the pity party going on.

All Seeing Eye

BumChum wrote: »

A relative of mine is long term unemployed. Must be 10 years or more since she signed on the social welfare. That's what the statistics will tell you, and especially what the government of the day will tell you.

But the reality is quite a bit different. Through no fault of her own, she has ended up being a full time carer for 2 elderly relatives in a row AND a mentally challenged sibling. She applied for everything under the sun to help, but it basically equated to a few months of someone doing a bit of grocery shopping once a week.

So, officially long term unemployed (not to mention the fact that after the last elderly relative passes away it will be EXTREMELY difficult to get back into the workforce). Not officially a carer, receives practically no help (even from family).

She never complains but she simply must appreciate the extra bit of money at Christmas. I have no problem that my taxes help her out indirectly, from a government that is effectively useless to her otherwise.

Knowing her situation, it really makes me wonder how many people are just getting shafted left right and center "invisibly". Plenty, is my guess.

If a Christmas bonus was given to people in that situation I wouldn’t be on here giving out about it. Instead it’s given out to all and sundry and in most cases used to purchase luxury items for Xmas such as slabs of cheap beer and crates of alcopops

end of the road

weldoninhio wrote: »

Get them out picking litter, cleaning graffiti etc. They don’t need to become brain surgeons. You could probably train a monkey to pick litter, shouldn’t be much more trouble to train the lazy buggers.

nthclare's point still applies. the other litter pickers won't want to work with them. we'd have to increase the amount of managers or implement handlers to manage these people. not worth the cost or hassle.

BumChum

Bubbaclaus wrote: »

She would be in receipt of carer's allowance as she wouldn't be eligible for the dole. Very different to what is being discussed.

Ah! that's what you are led to believe isn't it?!

Through some otherworldly level of complications, no, she is simply long term unemployed. It is a complete and utter fiasco, the whole system. I have tried several times to help with forms and regulations and meetings and calling into clinics etc. It resulted in some someone calling to her house every Wednesday with some shopping. And even that only lasted a very short while.

I honestly don't know all the ins and outs, but for starters, the sibling doesn't have anything officially wrong with her. Went to doctors, asked for medical records, trying to "prove" the obvious.....got no where!

I understand how it sounds to someone who hasn't dealt with it before (and even for me it is cursory). But the systems are incompetent. Literally left clueless as to what happens next, IF anything will happen.....and on and on.

So....simply long term unemployed was the result.