Christmas bonus for welfare recipients not only restored but increased

Ha Long Bay

Melendez wrote: »

Only in the same sense that getting social housing is free. Someone has to pay.

Yes but in this case the whole community get to benefit from the resource being provided.

Melendez

john4321 wrote: »

Yes but in this case the whole community get to benefit from the resource being provided.

Ok. Take away all social welfare recipients phones and give them a transistor radio and a library card. I'm really not that bothered. It will make an interesting social experiment

Yer Da sells Avon

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

Ha ha nice one but didn’t take much to spot them. As I said 2 families on the bread line.

Appropriate username, all the same.

All Seeing Eye

Yer Da sells Avon wrote: »

Appropriate username, all the same.

You can’t hide from the All Seeing Eye

con___manx1

Goal number 1 knock someone up
Goal number 2 get a free house
Goal number 3
Knock more chaps out of her get more money
Get some free coal off the saint vincent de paul
And extra dosh for the weekly weed spend and the 2 or 3 hollidays a year.
I know a few people exactly like this. It makes me sick when i see the amount of tax coming out of my wages to fund these people.
In England they get **** all on the dole compared to here.

All Seeing Eye

con___manx1 wrote: »

Goal number 1 knock someone up
Goal number 2 get a free house
Goal number 3
Knock more chaps out of her get more money
Get some free coal off the saint vincent de paul
And extra dosh for the weekly weed spend and the 2 or 3 hollidays a year.
I know a few people exactly like this. It makes me sick when i see the amount of tax coming out of my wages to fund these people.
In England they get **** all on the dole compared to here.

What is the ultimate scam combo? Single mother doing hair or minding kids for cash with the “absent” father working as a tradesman earning good money doing private cash jobs, doing some dole as well if he has a real neck. Nice crew cab and seven seater sitting outside their free house, big trampoline out the back.

pjohnson

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

What is the ultimate scam combo? Single mother doing hair or minding kids for cash with the “absent” father working as a tradesman earning good money doing private cash jobs. Nice crew cab and seven seater sitting outside their free house big trampoline out the back.

Surely you would know peeping?

All Seeing Eye

pjohnson wrote: »

Surely you would know peeping?

As I said before most of these people don’t try to hide their business so it’s easy to spot. Another comment just attacking the poster and trying to demonise or make fun of them rather than making a counter point or compelling argument.

pjohnson

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

As I said before most of these people don’t try to hide their business so it’s easy to spot.

I'd have thought you way to busy working and paying taxes to be studying the eating habits of your neighbours tbh.

All Seeing Eye

pjohnson wrote: »

I'd have thought you way to busy working and paying taxes to be studying the eating habits of your neighbours tbh.

Again another nonsense post attacking me or trying to make fun of me just because you have no real comeback or counter arguments.

road_high

con___manx1 wrote: »

Goal number 1 knock someone up
Goal number 2 get a free house
Goal number 3
Knock more chaps out of her get more money
Get some free coal off the saint vincent de paul
And extra dosh for the weekly weed spend and the 2 or 3 hollidays a year.
I know a few people exactly like this. It makes me sick when i see the amount of tax coming out of my wages to fund these people.
In England they get **** all on the dole compared to here.

Most countries operate a sink or swim welfare system- generous at first after losing a job and dependent on the amount of tax paid in. After a set period it’s whittled down to a bare minimum. Ours is bizarrely the inverse situation whereby the longer sitting on your hole the greater chance you’ll be “entitled “ to more ancillary benefits.
We don’t really have a welfare system it’s more an optional work or not system.

weldoninhio

Melendez wrote: »

No they have very important purposes. Not amongst them is being a substitute for a mobile phone and a cheap transistor radio.

Strange conclusion to draw from my post.

You’ve stated that a library “does not offer good value to the taxpayer or appropriate service to the social welfare recipient.”

They generally have PCs, books, reference books, newspapers. What else would a doler need when searching for a job/keeping abreast of world events?

weldoninhio

Melendez wrote: »

Ok. Take away all social welfare recipients phones and give them a transistor radio and a library card. I'm really not that bothered. It will make an interesting social experiment

Again, making things up. No one, anywhere on this thread has asked for phones to be removed from anybody.

con___manx1

All Seeing Eye wrote: »

What is the ultimate scam combo? Single mother doing hair or minding kids for cash with the “absent” father working as a tradesman earning good money doing private cash jobs, doing some dole as well if he has a real neck. Nice crew cab and seven seater sitting outside their free house, big trampoline out the back.

I know of a few drug dealers on the dole in my town who drive down to the post office in their fancy cars to top up there takings for the week. Their free houses have been raided many times iv heard but nothing ever found.

Graces7

Melendez wrote: »

There were 849 towns in Ireland in 2011, so, no, most towns don't have a library. Not everyone lives in a town.

Thank you; I was trying to work out where my nearest was; I think 50 miles and no public transport.... Townies!

Graces7

Scrooge is clearly reincarnated....and cloned

Idbatterim

According to the media, it seems that usc on incomes from roughly 17-70k usc rate will drop by .25% the threshold at which you hit the marginal rate slightly increased. A worker on 50k will get back less a week that the fiver wekfsre incresde they are throwing out to the lifetime wasters etc.

So anyone earning below the marginal rate of tax currently , will see minuscule, minuscule gains, probably running into tens of cent per week! Even those at the marginal rate will barely see any gain ... I believe tax cuts are going to make up under ten percent of budget Spend!

weldoninhio

Graces7 wrote: »

Scrooge is clearly reincarnated....and cloned

Scrooge was a fictional character love.

Graces7

weldoninhio wrote: »

Scrooge was a fictional character love.

Wanna bet? Dickens based all his characters on real life.

Please stop with the patronising too.. thank you

Graces7

con___manx1 wrote: »

I know of a few drug dealers on the dole in my town who drive down to the post office in their fancy cars to top up there takings for the week. Their free houses have been raided many times iv heard but nothing ever found.

and?

weldoninhio

Graces7 wrote: »

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Wanna bet? Dickens based all his characters on real life.

Please stop with the patronising too.. thank you

100% I’ll that bet. He may be “based” on real life. But the character Ebenezer Scrooge is fictional. You do understand that??

How much was it you wanted to bet?

ELM327

Melendez wrote: »

Being a windbag, you clearly barely creep over the 30% average (I suspect you even said that to exaggerate), or you would not have said it. You need to be paying at least 30,000 - 35,000 a year tax per year as an individual or 60,000 - 70,000 as a couple per year during your entire working life to say you are paying for anyone else. I am sure you will now say you do this. I won't be convinced. Others can make up their own minds.

My earnings or tax paying are none of your business, but then I don't whine on the internet about how much I contribute to other people's lifestyles.

So you're on the dole then.
Grand.
Enjoy the free house and free stuff I'm paying for.


Actually...Any source for the 30-35k figure? Total tax paid on last year's P60 for myself as a non married PAYE individual was 26,608.98 so I'm not too far off it actually. I would like to see your calculation and basis for 30-35k.

Cabaal

Samsgirl wrote: »

There are 330 public libraries in Ireland. They are actively recruiting at the moment so they are not closing. Very few towns without a library service

So they are replacing ageing staff, that doesn't mean they are opening loads of new library's or not closing them.

In 2002 there were 345. There's been a reduction since then without question.

Plenty of places around the country without library's especially as there are 872 towns or so called "aggregate towns" as classified by the census in Ireland.

Cabaal

weldoninhio wrote: »

The radio is €25 and the library is free. If there is a more “economically efficient” smartphone than €25 all in, please let me know, I’d buy a few of them.

We've already covered this,
Lack of public transport options. Which means for many a taxi or owning their own transport is the only option.

Such costs will far outweight the cost of a cheap 30e smart phone.Even locally to me I can identify at least 7 areas that have poor or no public transport and no library and are in excess of 6-7miles away from nearest library.

Your plan is flawed just like your overall thinking.

weldoninhio

Cabaal wrote: »

We've already covered this,
Lack of public transport options. Which means for many a taxi or owning their own transport is the only option.

Such costs will far outweight the cost of a cheap 30e smart phone.Even locally to me I can identify at least 7 areas that have poor or no public transport and no library and are in excess of 6-7miles away from nearest library.

Your plan is flawed just like your overall thinking.

As said before, they have to go into town to collect their dole. So they already have that cost. 6-7 miles, even double that, should be no problem for an able bodied person to walk.

fin12

weldoninhio wrote: »

As said before, they have to go into town to collect their dole. So they already have that cost. 6-7 miles, even double that, should be no problem for an able bodied person to walk.

Are u not at work today?

Melendez

ELM327 wrote: »

So you're on the dole then.
Grand.
Enjoy the free house and free stuff I'm paying for.


Actually...Any source for the 30-35k figure? Total tax paid on last year's P60 for myself as a non married PAYE individual was 26,608.98 so I'm not too far off it actually. I would like to see your calculation and basis for 30-35k.

There are a little over 2,000,0000 people in Ireland available for work. Government expenditure is a little under €80 Billion. Pensioners will make some contribution but will be a net burden. Youthful people will be a burden till they leave education. You are probably paying about €35-40K tax when you take all taxes into consideration. Not much more than covering your own share of the cost of public expenditure. Certainly not sponsoring too many other lavish lifestyles.

Samsgirl

Cabaal wrote: »

So they are replacing ageing staff, that doesn't mean they are opening loads of new library's or not closing them.

In 2002 there were 345. There's been a reduction since then without question.

Plenty of places around the country without library's especially as there are 872 towns or so called "aggregate towns" as classified by the census in Ireland.

Nope not replacing aging staff. Hiring extra staff

ELM327

Melendez wrote: »

There are a little over 2,000,0000 people in Ireland available for work. Government expenditure is a little under €80 Billion. Pensioners will make some contribution but will be a net burden. Youthful people will be a burden till they leave education. You are probably paying about €35-40K tax when you take all taxes into consideration. Not much more than covering your own share of the cost of public expenditure. Certainly not sponsoring too many other lavish lifestyles.

So no breakdown of the 30-35k no? Great thanks.

weldoninhio

fin12 wrote: »

Are u not at work today?

Just in now, starting at 10, why?