Lunchtime Live with Ciara Kelly [Mod warning post #1]

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Fan of Netflix wrote: »

This is just gaslighting. I am not jealous of them, I just find them irritating. Many radio presenters in Ireland don't deserve to be where they are. Ciara Kelly is a doctor that knew the right people. The new flavour of the month Doireann Garrihy is related to several people in RTE and media. She was supposedly hired because she has 20k followers on twitter. Pathetic.

They neither inform nor entertain. I do resent the fact that they have such a platform that is undeserved. And in the case of RTE we are funding this with obscene money.

How many people in the country do you think are in a job because they know someone? In every industry.

Ciara was a contributor, then a guest host, then a stand in, then got the full time gig. You don't like her, that hardly means her position is undeserved.

Give yourself a break, spend your time discussing things you enjoy instead of stuff that obviously riles you.

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applehunter wrote: »

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It's a discussion board genius.

hawley

Tell me how wrote: »

Give yourself a break, spend your time discussing things you enjoy instead of stuff that obviously riles you.

You are constantly on here pontificating about Trump.

Faugheen

hawley wrote: »

Tell me how wrote: »

Give yourself a break, spend your time discussing things you enjoy instead of stuff that obviously riles you.

You are constantly on here pontificating about Trump.

TMH also posts about things they liked on the radio only to get sh*t on by those who disagree with him, because heaven forbid anything positive is said on this forum.

This SJW, left, right nonsense is boring now. This was a woman who had a rant on the radio and was called out on it. Like it or don’t like it.

hawley

Faugheen wrote: »

TMH also posts about things they liked on the radio only to get sh*t on by those who disagree with him, because heaven forbid anything positive is said on this forum.

This SJW, left, right nonsense is boring now. This was a woman who had a rant on the radio and was called out on it. Like it or don’t like it.

It's a discussion board genius.

meeeeh

applehunter wrote: »

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All anyone needs to know is that this post was thanked by someone called Il Fascista. It tells a lot about the quality of posters who support this kind of approach.

Mad_maxx

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Mad_maxx wrote: »

Ireland was never close to "far right", the church was involved in everything, I'll grant you that

Unfortunately we were far right socially (extremely socially conservative if you like) under the watchful eyes of De Valera and McQuaid.

"far right" should be used correctly, nowadays it's just thrown in if you hate someone

Dev wasn't even right wing, he was obviously socially Conservative but put the brake on the church now and again, he was left wing economically, rural conservativism covers his ideology, the healy raes are socially Conservative but left wing economically

nullzero

meeeeh wrote: »

All anyone needs to know is that this post was thanked by someone called Il Fascista. It tells a lot about the quality of posters who support this kind of approach.

Quality of posters?

You made a statement yesterday that was demonstrably false and kept telling me how I was misunderstanding you when I pointed it out to you. You make laughable statements that have no basis in fact and instead of having the humility to admit you made a mistake you belligerently accuse the person pointing out your mistake of not being capable of understanding what you said.
My point being, what is the standard to which you hold others to in terms of quality of posters?

Huntergonzo

Mad_maxx wrote: »

"far right" should be used correctly, nowadays it's just thrown in if you hate someone

Dev wasn't even right wing, he was obviously socially Conservative but put the brake on the church now and again, he was left wing economically, rural conservativism covers his ideology, the healy raes are socially Conservative but left wing economically

Ah listen politicians like Dev and the Healy Raes are/were all things to all people, whatever gets he votes but they certainly are very socially conservative.

meeeeh

nullzero wrote: »

Quality of posters?

You made a statement yesterday that was demonstrably false and kept telling me how I was misunderstanding you when I pointed it out to you. You make laughable statements that have no basis in fact and instead of having the humility to admit you made a mistake you belligerently accuse the person pointing out your mistake of not being capable of understanding what you said.
My point being, what is the standard to which you hold others to in terms of quality of posters?

What mistake? What are you on about? Are you still going on about the victim complex. Unless you are arrogant or deluded enough to consider your opinion fact I really don't get what you are on about.

And yes I would not want to be on the same side of an argument as someone who calls himself fascist.

pinkyeye

sydthebeat wrote: »

What's stopping the traveller community from entering???

I'm nearly sure there has been travellers in the past.

meeeeh

nullzero wrote: »

I'm talking about where you said Ciara Kelly and susie Keogh were only being picked on because they are women expressing an opinion. Which was complete nonsense as I easily proved by referring to the reaction to George Hooks comments on the same radio station a few years ago.

You have the nerve to call me arrogant and deluded when you knew full well what I was talking about and you choose to not address it at all.

SNIP - Mod

So it is opinion presented as fact.

I'm afraid I only studied basics of psychology so I'm afraid I'm not qualified enough to confirm or rebuke your last paragraph. But if you feel competent enough to evaluate my personality then who am I to stop you.

jeremyj1968

As I've said many times the problem with Newstalk and the media in general is not that you have presenters that have opinions, but that you have presenters that are only allowed to hold particular liberal opinions if they want to keep their jobs. And those views are not representative of society, they are representative of the views that the station owners would like you to have. Even though those views are very different from the ideals that the station owners themselves would adhere to.

Two users have been banned and cards handed out.

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jeremyj1968

jeremyj1968 wrote: »

As I've said many times the problem with Newstalk and the media in general is not that you have presenters that have opinions, but that you have presenters that are only allowed to hold particular liberal opinions if they want to keep their jobs. And those views are not representative of society, they are representative of the views that the station owners would like you to have. Even though those views are very different from the ideals that the station owners themselves would adhere to.

Their opinions are far more representative of society then your own Jeremy. There is no silent conservative majority out there, as various referendums have shown. You're real issue is that mainstream media isn't reflecting your own world view back at you. Well tough, the world isn't going to change for your benefit, no matter how much you moan about it on here.

Huntergonzo

jeremyj1968 wrote: »

As I've said many times the problem with Newstalk and the media in general is not that you have presenters that have opinions, but that you have presenters that are only allowed to hold particular liberal opinions if they want to keep their jobs. And those views are not representative of society, they are representative of the views that the station owners would like you to have. Even though those views are very different from the ideals that the station owners themselves would adhere to.

I agree absolutely about the presenters, there's definitely a left wing consensus and outside opinions are not weclome, infact they can be treated with hostility by times.

Fella who owns the station couldn't give a monkeys, he's filthy rich, but I suppose that's the game they play, divide the public and conquer.

tayto lover

jeremyj1968 wrote: »

As I've said many times the problem with Newstalk and the media in general is not that you have presenters that have opinions, but that you have presenters that are only allowed to hold particular liberal opinions if they want to keep their jobs. And those views are not representative of society, they are representative of the views that the station owners would like you to have. Even though those views are very different from the ideals that the station owners themselves would adhere to.

Fake views ???

meeeeh

Ahwell wrote: »

Their opinions are far more representative of society then your own Jeremy. There is no silent conservative majority out there, as various referendums have shown. You're real issue is that mainstream media isn't reflecting your own world view back at you. Well tough, the world isn't going to change for your benefit, no matter how much you moan about it on here.

I actually think he has a point. Commercial media needs to survive and the views represented are often dictated by what makes them money. And the views that are represented the most become more prevalent. There is a certain uniformity of opinion in most of the media, I just don't agree it's far left or far right. It's very much in the middle.

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jeremyj1968 wrote: »

As I've said many times the problem with Newstalk and the media in general is not that you have presenters that have opinions, but that you have presenters that are only allowed to hold particular liberal opinions if they want to keep their jobs. And those views are not representative of society, they are representative of the views that the station owners would like you to have. Even though those views are very different from the ideals that the station owners themselves would adhere to.

Would Denis O'Brien strike you as someone overly focused on a liberal agenda.
He owns two national stations and the one which is the focus of this thread.

If, which you suggest, he has different views to those which he wants the station to have, why do you think that is? Is there any chance that it is as another poster said because they ultimately are focused on attracting listeners which drives ad revenue and so they want to appeal to the widest portion of society which they can, and in Ireland that portion is largely aligned with ideas about progressiveness, transparency and fairness.

What about Niall Boylan? He would hardly be described as a liberal radio host and his shows broadcasts nationally. I've listened a number of times in the last few months to see what sort of narrative there is on key stories and have noticed that he is so familiar with callers that they have running conversations about work, their families, relationships etc, they're more friends or colleagues than members of the public. So, why are the members of this society with a particular view, and who form the majority of society, as you outlined not seeking out his show? You'd imagine if it was indeed this way, he'd have different callers on every night and would be rushing to fit them all in. That doesn't happen.

Do you think the Ciara Kelly show is preventing people with a certain view from having their say? She literally says it every day, 'if you disagree or agree with the topic, we'd love to have you on'.

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Tell me how wrote: »

Would Denis O'Brien strike you as someone overly focused on a liberal agenda.

Absolutely. The kinds of liberalism that are generally promoted across Communicorp are of the philosophically classical variety, which favour low taxation and a laissez-faire/ supply-side approach to economic policy.

I have seen Ciara Kelly engage in frankly, bizarre tirades against the socialist left on Twitter. Pat Kenny seems to leak indignance towards anything west of Dún Laoghaire shopping centre (I like Pat and Ciara, but their detachment from the real world is something to behold). And leave it to Coleman and Yates to bookend the day's work.

I cannot cease to be astonished at otherwise intelligent people who cannot see the wood from the trees. Denis O'Brien isn't the single major owner of the Irish radio landscape because he's some kind of tech nerd (failed maths, twice) or because he believes in freedom of the press (litany of legal actions, bordering on vexatious).

It's shocking that people actually think his interests are benign. And of course his views are genuinely assuaged on his networks. This isn't rocket science lads.

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A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

Absolutely. The kinds of liberalism that are generally promoted across Communicorp are of the philosophically classical variety, which favour low taxation and a laissez-faire/ supply-side approach to economic policy.

I have seen Ciara Kelly engage in frankly, bizarre tirades against the socialist left on Twitter. Pat Kenny seems to leak indignance towards anything west of Dún Laoghaire shopping centre (I like Pat and Ciara, but their detachment from the real world is something to behold). And leave it to Coleman and Yates to bookend the day's work.

I cannot cease to be astonished at otherwise intelligent people who cannot see the wood from the trees. Denis O'Brien isn't the single major owner of the Irish radio landscape because he's some kind of tech nerd (failed maths, twice) or because he believes in freedom of the press (litany of legal actions, bordering on vexatious).

It's shocking that people actually think his interests are benign. And of course his views are genuinely assuaged on his networks. This isn't rocket science lads.

Magic beans for sale.
New low prices.

In the context of liberal or otherwise here I am speaking largely about the view towards society. The business liberalism exists but is purely from a financial and regulation perspective. If you combine the 2, you could argue many heretofore right wing indinviduals such as the Koch brothers, the bold Mr Trump and the aforementioned DOB are liberal yet no one could suggest they are such in a societal sense. Also, a liberal viewpoint (in my view) would promote openness, transparency and discussion and this is where DOB certainly moves out of the category.

On Ciara and Pat. People refer to NT as a bedrock of far left liberalism. There is a section of Irish society who do occupy this space and I would see them more as being aligned with the likes of PBP, AAA etc and being involved with water protests, occupying apartments resistance and so on. They would, I suspect describe themselves as social activists rather than far left liberals but whichever they are, as you outlined, you wouldn't necessarily see Ciara and Pat taking part in such protests while still you could hear them expressing understanding of where they were coming from.

That being said, I don't think either have a dismissive view of any group outside their social class or circle and are proponents of supporting everyone in society fairly. You can suggest that people from Moyross are disenfranchised without saying you think everyone in Dalkey should have their assets seized.

At this point, I think 'far-left' and 'far'right' are often misunderstood and instead are simply used as identifiers to group people you think you disagree with without looking at their behaviour to see is there evidence to support it.

jimmyw

This is ridiculous,how much time off do all these "so called" presenters need/want? Not just NT,rte as well. Do I have to put up with this one again next week, hopefully not....... yes yes yes I could tune out.

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Tell me how wrote: »

In the context of liberal or otherwise here I am speaking largely about the view towards society. The business liberalism exists but is purely from a financial and regulation perspective. If you combine the 2, you could argue many heretofore right wing indinviduals such as the Koch brothers, the bold Mr Trump and the aforementioned DOB are liberal yet no one could suggest they are such in a societal sense.

This attempt to distinguish economic liberalism from social liberalism is quite incongruous. Philosophically, or logically, it makes no sense. It's a kind of mindless populism. There's no consistency -- why should personal, or family, autonomy be occasionally forsaken (taxation, labour, ownership of property) and, at other times, held-up as being at the apex of needs -- even in an economic sense (public housing, gender quotas, etc)?

It's a bizarre development. It's a fashion, not a philosophy.

At least the socialists, the conservatives and the classic liberals have a consistent outlook, coherent philosophies, even with internal disagreements. Modern 'liberalism', if it can even be given that name, is just a trend.

For the record, I do believe most of the voices on Newstalk are more like classic liberals than anything else. I don't believe Ciara Kelly is remotely left-wing, regardless of what is written about her here. Neither Moncrieff, nor Yates. Their liberalism intends to keep the State from encroaching unreasonably on the personal autonomy of individuals and their free choices -- logically, this includes the right to marry people of any gender, the right to safe and legal abortion, and so on.

I often agree with them. It's the other crowd who seem to change their minds on completely arbitrary lines as to whether equality of freedom is the more important that honestly, is difficult to respect in any intellectual sense.

tayto lover

Ciara Kelly lost all my respect when she said she’d have no problem living next door to Travellers. Clearly a lie imo.

pinkyeye

Tell me how wrote: »

Would Denis O'Brien strike you as someone overly focused on a liberal agenda.
He owns two national stations and the one which is the focus of this thread.

If, which you suggest, he has different views to those which he wants the station to have, why do you think that is? Is there any chance that it is as another poster said because they ultimately are focused on attracting listeners which drives ad revenue and so they want to appeal to the widest portion of society which they can, and in Ireland that portion is largely aligned with ideas about progressiveness, transparency and fairness.

What about Niall Boylan? He would hardly be described as a liberal radio host and his shows broadcasts nationally. I've listened a number of times in the last few months to see what sort of narrative there is on key stories and have noticed that he is so familiar with callers that they have running conversations about work, their families, relationships etc, they're more friends or colleagues than members of the public. So, why are the members of this society with a particular view, and who form the majority of society, as you outlined not seeking out his show? You'd imagine if it was indeed this way, he'd have different callers on every night and would be rushing to fit them all in. That doesn't happen.

Do you think the Ciara Kelly show is preventing people with a certain view from having their say? She literally says it every day, 'if you disagree or agree with the topic, we'd love to have you on'.

He has the same two or three callers over and over again. Including that guy from Cork who's on every single radio station in the country every day.

tayto lover

tayto lover wrote: »

Ciara Kelly lost all my respect when she said she’d have no problem living next door to Travellers. Clearly a lie imo.

In other words, you'll only respect someone who shares your prejudice against all travellers?

The thread has just calmed down, there have been enough inflammatory remarks in the last 48 hours. Lets keep it that way.

tayto lover

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

In other words, you'll only respect someone who shares your prejudice against all travellers?

The thread has just calmed down, there have been enough inflammatory remarks in the last 48 hours. Lets keep it that way.

No. I like people to tell the truth.

Silentcorner

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How many people in the country do you think are in a job because they know someone? In every industry.

Ciara was a contributor, then a guest host, then a stand in, then got the full time gig. You don't like her, that hardly means her position is undeserved.

Give yourself a break, spend your time discussing things you enjoy instead of stuff that obviously riles you.

I remember a number of years ago, FF Cllr (at the time) Jim O'Callaghan was on RTE PRimetime talking about a national issues, I thought to myself, what is a Councillor doing on National TV, he would go on to get elected and serve on the FF front bench...of course, his sister was Co host of Primetime....this kind of nonsense should not be happening in a modern day state.

Don't get me started on how many times Bertie Ahern, the Taoiseach who handled unexplained and massive amounts of cash through his office, has been wheeled out like he done no wrong.

We are pathetically insular and media and South Dublin are particularly insular, it is not jealously, frankly, more and more of us have just had enough!

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Silentcorner wrote: »

We are pathetically insular and media and South Dublin are particularly insular, it is not jealously, frankly, more and more of us have just had enough!

Regular Main Presenters
Shane Coleman - Louth
Kieran Cuddihy - Kilkenny
Pat Kenny - Dublin
Ciara Kelly - Dublin
Sean Moncrieff - (born in London), reared in Galway
Ivan Yates - Wexford
Ger Gilroy - Kildare
Joe Molloy - Kildare
Nathan Murphy - Mayo
Eoin Sheehan ‐ Kerry
Tom Dunne - Dublin

Regular stand in presenters
Jonathan Healy - Cork
Andrea Gilligan - Donegal
Susan Keogh - Kildare
Richie McCormack - Dublin

That's a reasonable spread is it not? The only one whose origins i didnt know from listening to the station was Moncrieff. Each of the others refer to the context of stories with respect to their own home place fairly frequently.

On Bertie, is he on that frequently? I feel ive only seen him on odd enough occasions over last number of years. I think its recognized he's not a hectic communicator.

Silentcorner

Silentcorner wrote: »

I remember a number of years ago, FF Cllr (at the time) Jim O'Callaghan was on RTE PRimetime talking about a national issues, I thought to myself, what is a Councillor doing on National TV, he would go on to get elected and serve on the FF front bench...of course, his sister was Co host of Primetime....this kind of nonsense should not be happening in a modern day state.

Don't get me started on how many times Bertie Ahern, the Taoiseach who handled unexplained and massive amounts of cash through his office, has been wheeled out like he done no wrong.

We are pathetically insular and media and South Dublin are particularly insular, it is not jealously, frankly, more and more of us have just had enough!

There must be a handful, maybe several, councillors on the national airwaves each week -- be that radio or TV or both. The fact that Jim O'Callaghan is a senior counsel (there must be fewer than 500 of them in a country of nearly 5 million humans) would presumably have vastly increased his eligibility.

I'm not a naïve person, I completely agree that nepotism is a feature of the media industry. But you're probably grasping at straws here.