Lunchtime Live with Ciara Kelly [Mod warning post #1]

meeeeh

Mad_maxx wrote: »

So you want a sort of womens council parade of women who get up on a soapbox and opine about various progressive causes?

We have that every day of the week in media, must the left infest every single thing in the country?

No we don't. If you find simple minded programmes like Rose of Tralee stimulating then who am I to stop you watching them. As I said it's harmless, just don't imply it's some sort of celebration of female empowerment.

nullzero

meeeeh wrote: »

You misunderstand again. I'm saying women voicing opinion will cause hysterical overreaction. People will start using therms like femanizis, far left (really? What donkey would think anything Ciara Kelly says is far left), SJW, victim complex and similar. The opinion Susan Keogh expressed was not controversial at all. You and some others might not agree with it but that doesn't make it controversial.

There was plenty of hysterical over reaction to what George Hook said as well, you'd swear he'd told men everywhere to go out and start raping women on sight.

The fact is you stated something that was completely wrong, and when I pull you up on it you respond by saying that I misunderstand what you're saying.

What you said had no basis in fact. It was wrong, there's no misunderstanding here, you are wrong.

Tell me how

Mad_maxx wrote: »

She played the virtue signalling, SJW bingo card to the point of being a carracature of a PC Liberal

It was as lame as it was boring and unoriginal, gormless rather than cynical, more proof that all one needs today for a broadcasting gig in media is to be clone like in your right on views and parrot the aprooved line accordingly

Yawn

She expressed an opinion.
Is she wrong to do so?

What evidence have you that it was in any way contrived? Is it simply because you disagree with it?

splinter65

Tell me how wrote: »

She expressed an opinion.
Is she wrong to do so?

What evidence have you that it was in any way contrived? Is it simply because you disagree with it?

She expressed an opinion. A lot of people disagreed with this opinion. A lot of people especially women took serious offense at her opinion.
Instead of saying nothing in response to this backlash, or further reinforcing her position, she’s cribbing and making herself into some kind of victim.
Here’s the thing.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion but no one is exempt from the consequences of expressing that opinion.
Demanding equality (damn right too) and then complaining when you get the same treatment as everyone else demonstrates a special type of stupidity.

Huntergonzo

splinter65 wrote: »

She expressed an opinion. A lot of people disagreed with this opinion. A lot of people especially women took serious offense at her opinion.
Instead of saying nothing in response to this backlash, or further reinforcing her position, she’s cribbing and making herself into some kind of victim.
Here’s the thing.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion but no one is exempt from the consequences of expressing that opinion.
Demanding equality (damn right too) and then complaining when you get the same treatment as everyone else demonstrates a special type of stupidity.

Who? What?

What's all this about, is Ciara Kelly playing the victim card for something?

Genuine question btw, I haven't listened to her bile in a long time.

BPKS

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Who? What?

What's all this about, is Ciara Kelly playing the victim card for something?

Genuine question btw, I haven't listened to her bile in a long time.

Not Kelly, her filler-in. Used to read the news headlines on Today FM

Huntergonzo

BPKS wrote: »

Not Kelly, her filler-in. Used to read the news headlines on Today FM

Oh right, what was it all about or?

Itssoeasy

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Oh right, what was it all about or?

Susan Keogh said the rose of Tralee isn't about empowering women and she's gotten backlash about her remarks including from the now former Rose of Tralee who took issue with what she said. I've only seen two people say she was wrong and both were women.

Huntergonzo

Itssoeasy wrote: »

Susan Keogh said the rose of Tralee isn't about empowering women and she's gotten backlash about her remarks including from the now former Rose of Tralee who took issue with what she said. I've only seen two people say she was wrong and both were women.

Ok cheers, I googled her comments and here they are, they read like a pathetic sjw/feminist starter handbook:

"Where is the body diversity, where are the fat Roses?

Where’s the socio-economic diversity? Where are the Roses from different kinds of backgrounds and different complicated family backgrounds?

Where is the Rose from the Travelling community or the Homeless rose? Where are the women who don’t have the degrees or the PhDs?"

It's embarrassing stuff, but exactly what I expect from Feminazi fm.

Turn the dial folks, hit these fúckers in their pockets and do it quick!

Grolschevik

Christ, this repetitive "shrill women/SJW/Feminazi/loony left" stuff is tiresome.

Huntergonzo

Grolschevik wrote: »

Christ, this repetitive "shrill women/SJW/Feminazi/loony left" stuff is tiresome.

It's what happens unfortunately when the far left gets too much air time. Newstalk is bursting at the seams with this bile and has been for years.

Hopefully people are getting fed up with this rubbish though and it starts to die out. We have to be careful not to go too far right either though, you end up with the likes of the catholic cult getting too much air time then.

Anything too far left or right should be avoided like the plague!

Grolschevik

There is absolutely nothing 'far left' about Newstalk. Nothing. If people think there is, they need to rethink their comparative evaluation of political theories. Or even take an evening class.

Huntergonzo

Grolschevik wrote: »

There is absolutely nothing 'far left' about Newstalk. Nothing. If people think there is, they need to rethink their comparative evaluation of political theories. Or even take an evening class.

Hang on let me re-post a rant broadcast by Newstalk only yesterday:

"Where is the body diversity, where are the fat Roses?

Where’s the socio-economic diversity? Where are the Roses from different kinds of backgrounds and different complicated family backgrounds?

Where is the Rose from the Travelling community or the Homeless rose? Where are the women who don’t have the degrees or the PhDs?"

Nothing far left about that eh? Haha righteo. What would you call it, fair and balanced?

Grolschevik

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Hang on let me re-post a rant broadcast by Newstalk only yesterday:

"Where is the body diversity, where are the fat Roses?

Where’s the socio-economic diversity? Where are the Roses from different kinds of backgrounds and different complicated family backgrounds?

Where is the Rose from the Travelling community or the Homeless rose? Where are the women who don’t have the degrees or the PhDs?"

Nothing far left about that eh? Haha righteo. What would you call it, fair and balanced?

Nope. That's mainstream right-on white woman liberal feminism. Nowhere near so-called 'far left'. Hillary Clinton could have said that.

If people think that's far left, their political centre must be way right of what the majority in this country believe.

Huntergonzo

Grolschevik wrote: »

Nope. That's mainstream right-on white woman liberal feminism. Nowhere near so-called 'far left'. Hillary Clinton could have said that.

If people think that's far left, their political centre must be way right of what the majority in this country believe.

I disagree completely and I'll put it this way, if her comments were a rare occurence on Newstalk then I'd say, ok fair enough. But this sort of bile is common place on Feminazi fm now, that's why I stopped listening.

If you're not female or part of a racial minority then they don't want to know about you. For example, when I was listening, they regularily tried to push the gender pay myth, it was almost every morning, which again is a favourite of the far left.

Grolschevik

Huntergonzo wrote: »

I disagree completely and I'll put it this way, if her comments were a rare occurence on Newstalk then I'd say, ok fair enough. But this sort of bile is common place on Feminazi fm now, that's why I stopped listening.

If you're not female or part of a racial minority then they don't want to know about you. For example, when I was listening, they regularily tried to push the gender pay myth, it was almost every morning, which again is a favourite of the far left.

I don't know how to parse your comment best.

None of that is 'far left'.

It's mainstream watered-down liberalism. That's why you hear it all the time. Because it's mainstream.

The gender pay thing is a reality. Although they fail to examine the structural reasons behind it, and indeed tend to actively avoid that. Why? Because addressing it would inconvenience employers. Hardly far left.

And again. If that's your benchmark for 'far left', we're never going to agree.

Huntergonzo

Grolschevik wrote: »

I don't know how to parse your comment best.

None of that is 'far left'.

It's mainstream watered-down liberalism. That's why you hear it all the time. Because it's mainstream.

The gender pay thing is a reality. Although they fail to examine the structural reasons behind it, and indeed tend to actively avoid that. Why? Because addressing it would inconvenience employers. Hardly far left.

And again. If that's your benchmark for 'far left', we're never going to agree.

I certainly agree that they don't examine the structural reasons behind why some people earn more than others, but I disagree that they're doing it so as not to inconvenience employers. I suspect they're avoiding examining the issue properly because it would blow apart their leftist agenda.

I mean why would they even bring it up in the first place if they're not going to present it honestly?

Also if you work tirelessely to convince half the population that they earn less than the other half purely because of their gender, then you're going to cause problems for employers, no way two ways about it.

Listen, I do see Newstalk as a far left station but I respect your view.

pinkyeye

Huntergonzo wrote: »

I disagree completely and I'll put it this way, if her comments were a rare occurence on Newstalk then I'd say, ok fair enough. But this sort of bile is common place on Feminazi fm now, that's why I stopped listening.

If you're not female or part of a racial minority then they don't want to know about you. For example, when I was listening, they regularily tried to push the gender pay myth, it was almost every morning, which again is a favourite of the far left.

Do you have to put Feminazi into every post??

It really isn't helping your argument. :rolleyes:

Huntergonzo

pinkyeye wrote: »

Do you have to put Feminazi into every post??

It really isn't helping your argument. :rolleyes:

No I only use it when it's appropriate.

Ps, it wasn't in my last post, or this one :-)

Tell me how

Tell me how wrote: »

My smartphone is kaput at moment so using an old Nokia. Still have calls and text's obviously. Not joking, am seriously considering moving back to this type of phone solely.

I'm in a similar situation (stolen phone, trying to get my old number back). Reading back to some of the replies on this thread (from other posters) makes me quite appreciate not having a phone for most of the day.

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Why are the mods here fond of Newstalk?

We're not. I guarantee you, every mod who is active across the Radio threads has critiicised different Communicorp Stations -- NT Breakfast has been dire since Chris & Ivan left; I am not crazy about Susan Keogh's broadcasting style, and Yates on his own is a complete charlatan. And yet, Newstalk is better than others in the Communicorp stable. That's how bad Communicorp are.

nullzero wrote: »

yes some intolerance has been addressed in the recent past but women have had the same rights as men for decades.

Parental leave
Irish law disallows the sharing of parental leave between both of a child's parents, mandating that only the female parent (if any) is allowed leave from work. This establishes a situation where only one parent is ordained as primary care-giver from the very beginning, and effectively cajoles the female into staying away from the workforce for longer. If she doesn't, the household will be down a significant level of income at a time which is very costly for young families.

Menopause
This topic was discussed on today's programme. There is no legislative provision available for women who are experiencing adverse symptoms of menopause to take leave from their employment or have their employment contracts temporarily amended. This is the case even where women can demonstrable proven side-effects of menopause, which effects are well-documented in scientific literature. Menopause doesn't affect men in this way, and if it did, I am certain there would be legislative provisions to allow people to take a break from work just as easily as if they were experiencing any other physical or mental symptoms.

Huntergonzo

A Tyrant Named Miltiades! wrote: »

We're not. I guarantee you, every mod who is active across the Radio threads has critiicised different Communicorp Stations -- NT Breakfast has been dire since Chris & Ivan left; I am not crazy about Susan Keogh's broadcasting style, and Yates on his own is a complete charlatan. And yet, Newstalk is better than others in the Communicorp stable. That's how bad Communicorp are.

I agree 100% about the Breakfast show, Coleman and Williams (assuming he's still on), are absolutely deplorable, it's cringe stuff.

sligojoek

No women of diminutive stature either. It's a disgrace Joe.

Faugheen

I don’t like what I’m about to say considering who I’m agreeing with in this thread, but Susan Keogh got this one wrong.

I know what she was trying to do, but thousands of people enter the rose all around the country, in all shapes and sizes and from all backgrounds.

I get what she was trying to say, but she annoyed and took aim at those who did take part. Many roses didn’t agree with her, and now she’s playing some sort of victim by saying last years Rose ‘personally attacked’ her.

She called her an idiot, after Susan implied that Roses can’t stick up for themselves or speak out. She made a generalisation while knowing nothing about any of the Roses involved this year or anyone who entered it and didn’t like it when one of them hit back at her. She made several generalisations and labels about numerous women and expects no backlash to that?

Tell me how

This thread is like the rabbit hole in Alice in Wonderland with posters laying in to Susan for giving out about the Rose of Tralee while simultaneously declaring that the station is nothing but far left, SJW type nonsense.

Can't get much more SJW than sticking up for a woman's right to be in a beauty pageant.

Reading some of these posts confirm that number one motivation for many is finding an angle, any angle from which to complain.

redbuck

Tell me how wrote: »

Reading some of these posts confirm that number one motivation for many is finding an angle, any angle from which to complain.

Absolute nonsense you're talking, she made a statement and when challenged played the victim card.

Everyone's not always looking for an angle to complain about your radio heroes. Try looking at things through a balanced perspective not Communicorp rose tinted glasses for a change.

Tell me how

redbuck wrote: »

Absolute nonsense you're talking, she made a statement and when challenged played the victim card.

Everyone's not always looking for an angle to complain about your radio heroes. Try looking at things through a balanced perspective not Communicorp rose tinted glasses for a change.

What, like with a chip on both shoulders?

I'm fine thanks. Much happier with a glass half full approach. Heard today, on NT, that apparently it'll help me live longer. :pac:

Huntergonzo

Tell me how wrote: »

This thread is like the rabbit hole in Alice in Wonderland with posters laying in to Susan for giving out about the Rose of Tralee while simultaneously declaring that the station is nothing but far left, SJW type nonsense.

Can't get much more SJW than sticking up for a woman's right to be in a beauty pageant.

Reading some of these posts confirm that number one motivation for many is finding an angle, any angle from which to complain.

So you're now complaining about people complaining, I think you've just proved your own point there chief, people will complain about literally anything :-)

Anyway good night, god bless, I'm off to dream about the Roses of Tralee and all their lovely bottoms.

monstermag

Tell me how wrote: »

It truly seems impossible for anyone on radio to express an opinion without getting absolutely slated.

This is an incredibly cynical view of the presenters motivations.

I'm sure George Hook would agree with you.

Tell me how

monstermag wrote: »

I'm sure George Hook would agree with you.

Yes.

Mad_maxx

Grolschevik wrote: »

There is absolutely nothing 'far left' about Newstalk. Nothing. If people think there is, they need to rethink their comparative evaluation of political theories. Or even take an evening class.

Cudlihy on breakfast
Ciara Kelly
Moncrief

Not far left in that none want a workers revolution but perfectly in lock step with the whole cultural Marxist agenda