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Off Topic Chat. (MOD NOTE post# 3949 and post#5279)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭.243


    Nope,not gonna add traction to something that might not be factual



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,517 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    MODERATOR NOTICE

    I've moved the shooting victim thread into this, the off topic thread, as the original thread topic has no bearing on hunting.

    Also to newcomers to the forum. While you are free to discuss things, and moreso in this thread, there are limitations on what can be discussed such as unfounded and baseless accusations against an individual or the community as a whole.

    Also, whether verifiable or not, and asking for advice on whether to go to the Gardai or not in relation to alleged incidents will be removed. If you are involved or witness to an alleged incident then go to An Gardai and speak to them. This forum is not the place for such talk.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Finally got a pic of the bullet, and am not putting it up here either, however, I doubt it is a 17 HMR,it looks more like a .223 Full Metal Jacket as there is little to no deformation and the red tip is more than likely the unfortunate victim's tissue and blood.If this was a hunting round,it would surely have mushroomed or break apart on impact even with flesh. If it is the case it is a FMJ,then that's lucky for ballistics and for the victim as a hunting round would have done a lot more damage.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 1,482 Mod ✭✭✭✭otmmyboy2


    From my own looking it is definitely small caliber (17-224, could be anywhere in that range) and definitely is polymer tipped (ie vmax, epn, etc) from the xray which omits the tip, thus not being a normal fmj.

    Given it lodged in the forearm if it was a high velocity round it'd have spent most of its energy already before impacting him. Otherwise it would have just ploughed through unless it hit something solid, which again from the xray it did not.

    Should be simple enough for plod to narrow down the suspect list though, assuming the hunters were lawful and not poachers, contact the landowners for who had permission to shoot on their land, check that against licence holders for suitable rifles, and you'll likely have a very small number of resulting possibilities.

    Be interested to see the end result of this, and that barrister with the pistol from last year's case too actually.

    Never forget, the end goal is zero firearms of any type.

    S.I. No. 187/1972 - Firearms (Temporary Custody) Order - Firearms seized

    S.I. No. 21/2008 - Firearms (Restricted Firearms and Ammunition) Order 2008 - Firearm types restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2009 - Firearms banned & grandfathered

    S.I. No. 420/2019 - Magazine ban, ammo storage & transport restricted

    Criminal Justice (Miscellaneous Provisions) Act 2023 - 2023 Firearm Ban (retroactive to 8 years prior)



  • Registered Users Posts: 560 ✭✭✭Asus1


    What the hell was the person trying to shoot if as has been said it was a small calibre.It hit the lad in the forearm so it wasn't a fox or rabbit they were after because if it was they must grow cow size down there.

    In all seriousness it seems someone shooting from the shoulder and more or less aiming straight or slightly upwards to get the angle to get that shot.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 39,231 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Somebody shooting

    I’ve heard of guys (idiots) shooting magpies, crows, etc out of the tree with small calibre rifles.

    I wonder how far a .17HMR would travel, and what sort of energy it would retain, with a trajectory like that?



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Had a chat with my neighbour who comes from that part of the world about this, and after having a look at Google maps I'm wondering how the hell this idiot could have taken a shot. The pitch isn't exactly out in the middle of nowhere, but pretty much in the town itself. It only opens on one side to fields which roll down to the pitch and you have oversight from 200 to 500 meters depending on your location, with the usual Irish countryside hedges and trees surrounding it.So unless they were completely irresponsible to shoot around the pitch when there was a match on, or they were a lot further out than the distances mentioned and that bullet travelled and missed every single obstruction by some freak occurrence.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,630 ✭✭✭Feisar


    I had pulled up google maps with the terrain on and figured it came from some distance away, someone shot up a hill at something. Ditches ain't backstops.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users Posts: 39,231 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    That was my assumption too given the lack of damage on impact. Some goon shooting at an upward trajectory, some distance away. May not even realise they were the culprit.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



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  • Registered Users Posts: 564 ✭✭✭Luna84


    I was reading a news article of a man in his 80's getting shot and killed in Kerry but anyway he owned a number of guns including two .45's. A .45 revolver and a 1911 .45 pistol. I didn't think you could own such guns in Ireland?



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,517 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    You could up until 2009. After that, no.

    Those with them before 2009 were able to "grandfather" them, which means continue to license them, but never change or sell them on (within the 26 counties).

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  • Registered Users Posts: 39,231 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Given his age, it's likely they were in face grandfathered pre-2009



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,630 ✭✭✭Feisar


    Having done a bit of reading it looks likely they were, he was very involved in shooting sports.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    He also happened to be a gun dealer, which allows you to have these in your possession. Not to mind he fought for and was granted their licensing as a private preson in a dist court in one of the first of these kinds of cases against an especially vindictive and unpleasant chief superintendent back in 2010. He was also an expert witness in many of the following court cases for gunowners,including my own, I and the shooting community will greatly miss him.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 544 ✭✭✭BSA International


    Lovely man. RIP.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,204 ✭✭✭✭Nekarsulm


    The Inquiry has been published and is being circulated around the Oireachtas, with a recommendation that members read it.


    https://christchurchattack.royalcommission.nz/the-report/ jJustice 5/3/24



  • Registered Users Posts: 472 ✭✭jb88


    This report was clearly put together by a group who did not actually see the footage which was widely circulated on social media at the time and showed a number of people being fired upon by the shooter with a pump action shotgun. Dont see much of that in this report.

    If he had used a knife for this purpose would that be the subject of the enquiry.



  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,517 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    MODERATOR NOTIFICATION

    Moved to off topic.

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  • Registered Users Posts: 11,204 ✭✭✭✭Nekarsulm


    I mention/link to it because it is being circulated to the Justice comittee, with a recommendation that they all read it.


    Forewarned is forearmed, etc ....



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  • Registered Users Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Who or what group is circulating this report in the Dail?

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 8 They Call Me Trinity


    This report has been out for four years already. Why is this being circulated in the Oireachtas now? And by whom?



  • Registered Users Posts: 553 ✭✭✭Munsterlad102


    I can think of a few politicians from Waterford alone that could benefit from firearms bans and have advocated for them in the past.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    About the best that I can find on short notice."knife crime" is a hodgepodge of figures as the AGS doesn't keep separate statistics on individual case groupings. IE whether it is our new Irish citizens waving machetes on tikTok videos in some housing estates,or some poor batterd partner in a domestic dispute landing a lucky swipe on their aggressor with the bread knife. Ignore the misleading IT headline to the article https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2023/08/19/hse-figures-show-increase-in-knife-attacks-as-gun-violence-continues-to-decline/

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 39,231 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Interesting story from Oz

    Brunswick West gun collector charged, stripped of weapons

    A gun collector has been charged after 278 weapons were seized from his Brunswick West home.

    Detectives from the armed crime squad confiscated the firearms after two inspections of the 60-year-old’s property this week.


    They will allege there were unregistered guns, weapons which could not be identified and others bearing serial numbers which came up to different firearms. There were other guns which could not be found. The Brunswick West man faces 13 counts of possessing an unregistered firearm, trafficking firearms and 17 charges of failing to produce a firearm upon request.


    https://www.heraldsun.com.au/truecrimeaustralia/police-courts-victoria/brunswick-west-gun-collector-charged-stripped-of-weapons/news-story/f7868e53f41fda7805d592bd07292556

    It's been suggested that there could be logical explanation for a lot of this. Such as the system data not being up to date, ie some of the firearms there were requested had been sold previously, given to a dealer etc. Firearms that can't be identified, but simply be old and worn guns, given its a extensive collection, I'd guess there are a few antiques. Unregistered, could also just be incomplete records



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,980 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Looks like this report on the Christchurch shooting sent to the Dail Justice Committee was a nothing-burger.

    No one has stepped forward to claim its circulation,it came the 4th anniversary of Christchurch, strange that whoever did this missed a trick with the Dunblane massacre around the same time on the 13th of March if they had bad intent to us. Wiser heads to the political game reckon it was a journalist or the like throwing out a lure to see if anyone would bite and develop a headline out of this.

    They needn't have bothered when we have utter knob ends who go and shoot sea eagles or GAA players who provide plenty of headlines and paper-inch filler and ammo for the antis to condemn us as a whole in the letter pages.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,413 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Does anyone know what the story is with Ashbourne district lately? A few people have told me they've had difficulty getting a hold of the FAO(s?).



  • Registered Users Posts: 38 Al_Bundy


    The chap that has taken over hasn't got a clue what he's doing and is extremely slow at getting anything done, renewals not getting posted until after certs have expired, i know a fella who was waiting 3 months for a substitution. The two previous fao's were great.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,413 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Does anyone have a link to the list of gun dealers to hand? I can't find it. Looking for someone to do an import from the USA for me and want to price around rather than just check the two places local to me. Looking for dealers in Dublin, Meath and Louth area.



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