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Off Topic Chat. (MOD NOTE post# 3949 and post#5279)

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  • Registered Users Posts: 39,088 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Seems clear, sensible and reasonable from the judge.

    Judge John King said he would consider the appeal against the refusal of the firearm cert on September 15. In the meantime, he directed the applicant to attend at his doctor for urinalysis on May 29 and again within 24 hours of a phone call from gardaí directing him to have a second test.

    The judge said he would grant the firearm certificate in September subject to clear urinalysis in respect of those tests and subject to other standard conditions.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,943 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Going to be an interesting legal situation in the future if we ever do legalise the weed here in the Republic for medicinal use even. The lad who ran the ORC campaign in Northern Ireland had to give up his FACs as we needed medical Maryjane for pain relief for his spinal condition.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 39,088 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    I don’t think it poses any legal issues. Plenty of countries have legalised medical cannabis without issue.

    I think it should be legalise. I’d have no issue about utilising it if it was. I have tried CBD oil to treat inflammation post knee surgery. I imagine the stronger stuff can help even more.

    If anything legalising it will eliminate the criminal aspect and encourage sensible use.



  • Registered Users Posts: 243 ✭✭dalalada


    Infairness Grizz said in combination with having firearms. Not just legalising the green. I would Think it’s the same as drinking and shooting and we all saw in Donegal how that’s not a good combo.



  • Registered Users Posts: 39,088 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Yeah, I got that was the implication. My answer was with that in mind. Legal medical cannabis use and firearm ownership are not at odds with each other. As is seen in German, Switzerland, Norway, Finland, etc etc etc.

    The guy above got into bother as he was caught driving under the influence. That's obviously irresponsible, and would still be irresponsible with a prescription. But 99% of medical cannabis users are able to do so completely responsibly, there's no issue with any body being a medical cannabis user and also owning a car. As long as they don't use both together. Just likes is also perfectly fine to drink alcohol and to own a car/firearm. As long as you don't do both together.

    Somebody who does both* together, and gets caught, especially repeatedly. Should probably have to demonstrate they are responsible enough to have their license reinstated.

    *that seems to apply for all 4 combinations of activity and substance.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,608 ✭✭✭Feisar


    I thought medical cannabis lacked the good stuff.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,943 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Germany Grass or Geweher ? One or the other.

    The USA likewise.It even specifically asks you on the 4773 form when you are buying a firearm. Have you ever used Marijuana or any other narcotics?[Somthing Joe Bidens son Hunter,lied thru his teeth about.]


    I thought medical cannabis lacked the good stuff.

    Nope aSFIK the THC compound is the pain relieving part of the compound?

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Strange decision that you have to choose between guns and marijuana in Germany. Do they have the same rule between guns and alcohol because both marijuana and alcohol both have the potential to alter someone's mind.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,943 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Germans have odd laws on booze. Beer for example is classed as a foodstuff,[since around 1416] and not an alcoholic beverage.Hence you can actually buy it in a vending machine in your place of work and drink it while operating machinery or equipment.To us Irish that sounds weird and HTAF does anyone not have accidents and be sober during work? Simple really.They have a different sense of personal responsibility and duty to workand workmates than us Irish. You won't find Hans completely rat-assed operating a machine for anyway long as he would be out the door with his P35 before lunchtime. But a H&S inspector or foreman won't bat an eye at an opened bottle of beer beside the same machine and Hans is working away no problem.

    Likewise driving DUI is an utter death knell for you if you have any sort of firearms/hunting cert and are caught. Likewise, if you have a pilot's license or a small boatsman's license. In fact any sort of state-granted license. You lose them ALL for the period of your DUI suspension, It's a 3 strike and you are out. In fact, over there these days, fiddling with your taxes, excessive speeding or belonging to an extremist Right or Left political group or liking a slightly off-colour FB post will get you in the same hot water. Yet it is no bother to have a bottle of beer in the gun clubhouse after a shoot and drive home. Different if of course you pour a bottle of Schnapps into yourself and try it and run into a police checkpoint,[as no doubt someone will have phoned the cops before you even make it into your car with your firearms].Which in itself is a very rare occurrence,if they have a checkpoint up, it's for something serious not your tax& insurance and NCT. I've yet to see one for DUI in Germany. They don't have every long weekend the local police reminding Germans about speeding or driving under the influence at the holidays on the MSM. It's just a given that Germans take their responsibilities seriously. So yeah,having a booze problem that's clinically diagnosed you as an alcoholic, your guns are gone.So it's hardly then surprising if you are using or growing your own ganja for medicinal use your guns are gone too...

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 39,088 ✭✭✭✭Mellor


    Wasn’t aware that a medical marijuana permit in the US meant giving up firearms. Assumed it was like alcohol, that's how it is in other places. But the German angle makes sense too. If somebody is saying they need medical marijuana to treat an issues, that is medicine to that and they need it all the time.

    I think I was thinking more of places there marijuana is decriminalised and legal to use recreationally. That case, it should be treated more like recreational alcohol - in that social/recreational drinking is not an issue but alcohol dependency could see you loose a firearms license (this is the case in Ireland as well).



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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 12,627 Mod ✭✭✭✭blue5000


    Mods feel free to move this if not suitable. I don’t know how many people here still use a wax coat, but Barbour in Kildare village have a good supply of wax for re proofing at the moment, only reason I am posting it is any time I have been in there in the last few years it wasn’t available.

    If the seat's wet, sit on yer hat, a cool head is better than a wet ar5e.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 49 Gazlam


    There is no excuse for this.



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,943 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Utter pillock!!! It's these kinds of dopes that make life hard for all of us.

    Violation of Rule nr 4 of gun safety. Don't point your Pew dispenser at anything you do not wish to destroy; you are sure you know what it is and what's behind it before you send a Pew in its direction.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 759 ✭✭✭tonysopprano


    How convenient, that following a governmental report stating that thermal/NV can not differentiate between a bee and a deer, that something like this happens, ? hmm, one wonders!

    If you can do the job, do it. If you can't do the job, just teach it. If you really suck at it, just become a union executive or politician.



  • Registered Users Posts: 13,657 ✭✭✭✭josip


    Just reading this https://www.rte.ie/news/ireland/2023/0613/1388935-dublin-investigation/

    Would there be any mitigating circumstances at all on the part of the shooter, or is he/she a complete idiot and should never be allowed hold a firearm again?



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Absolutely no mitigating circumstances. I don't think complete idiot covers it to be honest.

    Shooters need to see clearly what they are shooting at and if there's a safe backstop before they even think of going near the trigger.

    Sh1t like that throws a bad light on all of us and I'd fully expect that person to never be allowed to hold a firearm again.



  • Registered Users Posts: 560 ✭✭✭Asus1


    So there was lads in wetsuits in the hedge on the golf course and there was lads hunting as well on this golf course.Its a very odd story.Were 1 or both allowed on the course,why the hell would you be collecting golf balls from lake at night is there that much money in golf ball seconds.But lastly who shoots at movement in the hedge if that's what really happened,very odd story.Id say course is in trouble if it gave either permission.



  • Registered Users Posts: 10,435 ✭✭✭✭Furze99


    That's exactly what I thought when this came out yesterday. There's more to this than meets the eye. Who were these people in wetsuits supposedly retrieving golf balls after dusk? Who were these 'hunters'? Are they members of any particular club or are they 'family'? We have a few of the latter out round here from time to time after dark with their whippets.



  • Registered Users Posts: 396 ✭✭useurowname


    I concur. Regardless of who had or hadn’t permission to be doing anything, you do not point your gun if you are not sure what your target is or what’s behind it, that’s the responsibility of anyone who takes a gun out in the field.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 49 Gazlam


    100% agree. I think it is...... Is not identification.


    Common sense should be a super power these days.



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,189 ✭✭✭✭Nekarsulm


    My suspicious mind tells me the guys in the wet suits were looking to retrieve something a lot more valuable than golf balls.

    Money, drugs or guns.

    The guys out with a gun, at night, on a golf course, possibly looking for the same "merchandise".

    What did he think was coming out of the water/hedge?

    A seal?



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,943 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Depends on which kind of seal he was thinking about being in there . A seal or a USN SEAL.

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 11,758 ✭✭✭✭BattleCorp


    Have I wandered into the conspiracy theory forum? 😁



  • Registered Users Posts: 14,943 ✭✭✭✭Grizzly 45


    Did the "hunters" have one?OTOH it might also have prevented such a shooting too. It's irrespective,even if they had a state-of-the-art Ukrainian spotter drone up with them. It was an unidentified target and the more you read of it the more suss this whole story becomes. From both sides. Lads out in the night looking in a water trap for golf balls, another group "hunting" on a golf course?

    "If you want to keep someone away from your house, Just fire the shotgun through the door."

    Vice President [and former lawyer] Joe Biden Field& Stream Magazine interview Feb 2013 "



  • Registered Users Posts: 6,608 ✭✭✭Feisar


    I thought it odd lads out in wetsuits after balls but thought the hunters were out after rabbits. I know a lad with permission to shoot rabbits at a driving range. I wonder were the lads in wetsuits known to the Gardaí.

    First they came for the socialists...



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,297 ✭✭✭walterking


    There's decent money in lake balls. There's a retired guy in Cork that has the "rights" for search on a couple of golf courses, but he is restricted to non-playing hours, so very early morning or very late evening. He makes a decent sideline in it and only searches bushes.

    Decent ProV will get you €1.50- €2, and even the average golf ball will get you €1. You could easily collect 200+ balls in a couple of hours in a lake

    Here's a site selling lake balls sourced in Irish lakes https://colegolf.ie/products/golfballs/


    Rabbits are a scourge in many clubs at present. They burrow holes which an unsuspecting golfer can easily trip on, hence some clubs will get some local hunters in to cull the rabbit population along with foxes if they also pose a problem.


    So for golfers, there is nothing unusual about the story except the guy doing the hunting should have been a lot more aware that people other than golfers (walkers can frequent golf clubs) can be on a golf course late evening / early morning



  • Registered Users Posts: 102 ✭✭CharlieR


    Out of curiosity with all the new legislation on firearms does anyone know what the murder rate by guns vs knives is in Ireland?

    Also do they differentiate between day and night and pistol and rifle?



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,319 ✭✭✭Half-cocked


    I work with a member of the golf club in question. None of the parties involved had permission to be on the grounds.



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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,657 ✭✭✭✭josip


    I still wouldn't be surprised if the injured party doesn't try to claim from the club's public liability insurance. How is the injured party?



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