Off Topic Chat. (MOD NOTE post# 3949 and post#5279)

otmmyboy2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123582796#Comment_123582796

Good spot!

Hopefully the extra approvals won't impact us too much, otherwise a lot of vintage gun ammo is going to get hard to find pretty quickly.

Grizzly 45

Hmmm.Better stock up and max out lads if you are shooting cheapish PPU[relatively speaking to Irish terms] ammo if that is the case of the above.

Grizzly 45

The UK deregulates[sort of] Silencers.

https://basc.org.uk/basc-welcomes-government-announcement-on-sound-moderators/?fbclid=IwY2xjawLRQa1leHRuA2FlbQIxMQBicmlkETBHa1h4Rnk1ek1jUTdEYkZPAR5OxFT65uiqSEF2S8VadKbYKCMdzUDYrlRDpNRHOLHzOGhKfFL9t35Ro0Bycg_aem_XBKv670t2Imj1pkRxAhv1g

Asus1

Not hard to see why the site is shutting down.The thread on the shooting in America yesterday was a bit of an eye-opener and would make you appreciate our fairly strict laws.Even the fairly good subs like farming showed up some fairly high count posters as absolute ghouls.

otmmyboy2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123806171#Comment_123806171

Indeed, because a guy is pro gun evidently means it is appropriate to murder him...

Utterly twisted tbh.

Sad thing is such political extremism is happening all over the west now, even countries with strict gun laws.

But the rancid "hot takes" on Kirk's murder (solely from the left from what I see) on boards, reddit, twitter etc are despicable.

Can you imagine the outcry from the same crowd if a prominent Democrat was murdered in the same fashion. 🙄

josip

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123806171#Comment_123806171

Paying a sub will help to keep the site going 🙂

kowloon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123806171#Comment_123806171

No different to any other sites tbh. The US forums are even more rabid.

Asus1

I wouldn't know about that as I don't really do much forums or the like and would have no interest in USA or any other countries forums.Maybe I'm odd but American politics draws no interest from me.

But as an island who seen people kill each other over what religion or flag or sport you supported I think we should know better than to relish in people's deaths over opinions,it goes nowhere good real fast and it's hard to stop.And I say that without being old enough to see any of it thankfully

kowloon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123807367#Comment_123807367

I have an interest in politics, but it's actually other firearm forums I browse through that had the conspiracy theories and people calling for more violence. The guy who got shot mainly does videos and speaking tours of US colleges. He had some pretty strong opinions but I'd argue there's nothing you can say that should get you shot. If the shooter was looking to stir things up and get more people killed they may have achieved their goal.

Asus1

Indeed,opinions even if crazy and wrong are only words and debating and showing them up are how you fight them not killing people to prove your point the latter is insane.Im no shrinking violet I loved an auld scrap playing football but christ it seems like America is tethering on the edge and it might never step back.

otmmyboy2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123807590#Comment_123807590

Either that or the goal was to silence such debates via making other conservative speakers afraid to speak in public.
Could go either way as far as goals but time will tell if (hopefully when) the shooter is caught.

This article notes the rifle the shooter used (apparently):
https://nypost.com/2025/09/11/us-news/gun-charlie-kirk-shot-with-revealed/

Doesn't look like a professional setup from the rifle photo.

Cass

It won't silence the Conservative side, in fact I believe it'll have the opposite effect. It'll strengthen and reinforce their position. One prominent Conservative said "this is the JFK moment of our generation".

kowloon

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123807903#Comment_123807903

No, it won't. It just makes a reprisal more likely and things get out of hand. It'll be a dangerous time to be any kind of political activist or journalist.

Cass

Yes it will. Many similar speakers and personalities have already said they won't be cancelling functions, and intend to press on in Charlie's name.

tonysopprano

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123807849#Comment_123807849

Explain professional setup?.

Firearm, suitable calibre, scope, capable shooter, 1 shot, centre-mass hit which ricocheted off body-armour up into neck causing fatal blood loss, and successful extraction and evasion (24+ hours)

Sounds about as professional as you can get

otmmyboy2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123808154#Comment_123808154

I was referring to the rifle:

No bipod or other stabilisation,

Scope mounts are placed very strangely, front one is only half in place and the rear is jammed right up against the turret section,

No extended cover to prevent glinting in the broad sunlight of a daytime shot.

Everything about the rifle itself suggests an amateur, bar caliber which is very capable but also one of the most common large game calibers in the US, so easily acquired presumably.

And since you referenced the shot:

Trained combat shooters(military/police) tend to go for center mass(highest liklihood of a hit), not head/neck shots because of the increased movement and thus lower liklihood of a clean shot. Unless there was a particular necessity not to shoot at center mass.

No mention of body armor from any reputable outlet(though some suggestions) and from side photos of the victim nothing suggests body armor.

Even if he was wearing body armor that is not going to ricochet the shot into his neck from that angle. In fact that is one of the scenarios modern armor is designed to prevent. Not always successfully but extremely doubtful it was at play here.

From what I saw it was a straight neck shot.

My bet is a shot either not taking into account the elevation of the shooter to Kirk vs the distance, and/or the optic not being zeroed (potentially compromised by the less than ideal mount).

The main thing which did suggest a professional job was the extraction/evasion (the airplane theory in particular, if true).

All of the above being just my take based on the available information currently, which given the timeframe is highly likely not 100% accurate.

tonysopprano

This may change your view, https://www.freepressjournal.in/world/new-slow-motion-video-shows-bullet-ricocheting-off-charlie-kirks-bulletproof-vest-into-his-neck-at-utah-university-event

And the ricochet was probably spall and fragments rather than the bullet, which the armour caught.

otmmyboy2

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123808228#Comment_123808228

Interesting article and I did glance through that but the twitter post embedded didn't show a video(deleted?) or the impact and the video that was on the page didn't clearly show it either(heavily edited?). Maybe it does on desktop but that's something for the morning.

That and no other outlets really mentioned it(1 other I think, but only text nothing identifiable), the photos like the one above where it looks like you can see the victims chest profile more suggested to me that he wasn't wearing armor.

I could absolutely be wrong but I'm still a bit skeptical about the body armour aspect.

Having said that I did see another video before which showed his shirt moving an unusual amount after the impact but it was deleted very shortly afterwards.

If he was wearing body armour it's doubly unfortunate, he must have been aware of a sufficient risk to warrant it and had it had a higher level of absorption(thicker, less concealable but more capable) he might have lived.

Not sure whether that lends itself to the shooter being more/less experienced tbh.

On the one hand if they knew he was wearing, or likely to be wearing, armour then an extremity shot would have been warranted, but then it could also have been dumb luck(on the shooters part) to land a hit on armour which was capable of stopping the bullet but at an edge without sufficient spall protection.

I do take your point on the armour, but I'm still unsure if that then lends itself to the shooters experience/inexperience if you get me.

dalalada

First off we can agree this is a major assassination and RIP to the victim he talked a lot of sense. On the shooter the infill /exfill is professional enough to mean his firearm capabilities are at least as good as an average target shooters if not in sharp shooter territory. You would have to assume he was taking a head shot knowing the victim might wear amour as is standard these days. The shot was taken off the hands in a prone position and that’s before we get into their heart rate, adrenaline, tiny time limit, and to remain undercover while taking the shot. Plus and v importantly in a country where semi auto cf is commonplace it’s a bolt so they knew they only had 1 shot with no follow up. Can’t understand where “doesn’t look like a professional” came from unless you’ve no experience in firearms. A deer hunting rifle, a deer calibre round. Defo not a deer hunter If it’s an anti gunner so it’s ironic they did it with a gun. Anyway we all know guns don’t kill people kill people kill people.

Grizzly 45

https://www.boards.ie/discussion/comment/123807903#Comment_123807903

I agree, you are not going to see the "Days of rage!" like when Martin Luther King was shot or cities burning and looted like when George Floyd was killed, someone will have to rebuild and pay for the damages the "tolerant left" did whenever something happens and they throw their teddies from the pram and that's usually us conservatives taxpayers and people working in keeping our society going .

If anything this will as said bring foth more of the same.Milo Yannopolious[SIC] the pro gun gay guy is even saying he will make a comeback to start debating as well. As the Left is fond of saying "You can kill the revoloutionary,but not the revoloution!" Well that applies to the Right/Conservative as well. All in all, this is reaping the Whirlwind time for the Left.If the only way you can shut down a counter arguement or opinion is shooting,doxxing ,swatting,shutting down online,complaining to the police that your feelings are hurt attacking their family,etc. Then you have lost a long time ago.

As for the shooter itself. 200 yards+/- is hardly a "professional ,specialist" distance the way some sites are going on .I think most of us Irish deer hunters do that distance on a more or less regular basis? A generic looking 30.06 with any half decent optic is well capable of a head shot,which is what I think they were going for and mis compensated for bullet drop on a head shot,as it was known Kirk did wear body armour.Now was his armour rated to stop 30.06 which would be a threat level 4,is doubtful as those would be bulky as Hell and really are only used when you know there is somone out there with such after you,so my guess is it was a head shot gone wrong.

Grizzly 45

Trained combat shooters(military/police) tend to go for center mass(highest liklihood of a hit), not head/neck shots because of the increased movement and thus lower liklihood of a clean shot. Unless there was a particular necessity not to shoot at center mass.

Not quite.Police snipers,who are trained and use entirely different equipment and even ammo compared to military snipers are trained to do head shots.Its where the term "pink mist" came from,as removal of the head[literally] shuts down any and all motor functions that even with a centre mass hit could still allow a trigger pull or switch flick.So who ever this was knew this proably,and having Kirks head literally explode in front of his audience would have made a very sick statement too?

Feisar

It's all a bit mental. Due to good old youtube algorithms I've been sent down a rabbit hole. I've seen video of a lad on a megaphone chanting with a crowd. "We got Charlie Kirk, who did we get?" Crowd responds; "Charlie Kirk!". Like WTF, a fellow citizen has been shot dead and that's the carry on? I'm also seeing the other side, with "we gotta take the fight to these people" type comments. I presume though I'm just seeing fringe lunatics and head-the-balls?

Asus1

You'd never know but if they think civil war is a good thing and it'll be 2 togged out opposing groups of armed lads and they'll have a battle they're sadly mistaken.Look at any civil war it's carbombs,random shootings and horrible reprisal over and over again before eventually sane people realise what's happening is mad but it's too late by then.