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stoplooklisten

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

would it stop me taking a bus ... no, would it deter other people ... most definitly.

You are preaching to the converted ... I'm just not able to convert my unconverted nearest and dearest

Carry out mock counter terrorism raids with flash bangs on your house in the middle of the night, between now and then, toughen her up a bit :pac:


-Joke

murpho999

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

would it stop me taking a bus ... no, would it deter other people ... most definitly.

You are preaching to the converted ... I'm just not able to convert my unconverted nearest and dearest

I really don't know anybody who says they won't get in a bus though.

You should go to Spain on your own.

Whispered

Ive a fear of flying following an incident a few years ago. I know it's irrational but knowing its irrational doesn't stop it.

murpho999 wrote: »

I really don't know anybody who says they won't get in a bus though.

Yep I do. After the London bombings a friend of mine started to have panic attacks on public transport. She'd had a rough few years anyway and was barely holding herself together so it was a case of straw that broke the camels back. But she stopped getting buses for a long time. Became very reclusive. Has since had therapy but still gets anxious on public transport and in large public areas such as train and bus stations.

GT_TDI_150

Another raid on a dwelling in Brussels ... Explosions heard and DOVO (bomsquad) are present ... these explosions that are heard in some cases are the 'bangers' the special forces use to dis-orientate the suspects tho ...

12Phase

Whispered wrote: »

Ive a fear of flying following an incident a few years ago. I know it's irrational but knowing its irrational doesn't stop it.



Yep I do. After the London bombings a friend of mine started to have panic attacks on public transport. She'd had a rough few years anyway and was barely holding herself together so it was a case of straw that broke the camels back. But she stopped getting buses for a long time. Became very reclusive. Has since had therapy but still gets anxious on public transport and in large public areas such as train and bus stations.

Same with a friend of mine in Paris. He kept having total meltdowns on the metro and in crowded spaces. Eventually couldn't go to work and had to move home to the countryside and is trying to work from home now.

These kinds of attacks can have very profound impacts on some people. I think we can be very dismissive of just how upsetting they can be.

I also know a few people in London who will only use the tube as a last resort. Mostly will now walk instead even if it's really inconvenient as they don't want to be in it.

bilston

GT_TDI_150 wrote: »

Another raid on a dwelling in Brussels ... Explosions heard and DOVO (bomsquad) are present ... these explosions that are heard in some cases are the 'bangers' the special forces use to dis-orientate the suspects tho ...

RTE reporting that one person has been killed, although I haven't seen that on BBC or Sky. If confirmed it was hopefully one of the bad guys.

GT_TDI_150

No mention of that on the Belgian new source, they are saying one person arrested

edit ... after the compulsory bullet in the leg


Germans have arrested 2 suspect too that has text relating one of the bombers on their phone

bilston

http://m.rte.ie/news/2016/0325/777363-brussels-attacks/

I think RTE are maybe taking the word "neutralised" to mean killed which may or may not be correct.

GT_TDI_150

The explosions that were heard were controlled explosions by DOVO

GT_TDI_150

bilston wrote: »

http://m.rte.ie/news/2016/0325/777363-brussels-attacks/

I think RTE are maybe taking the word "neutralised" to mean killed which may or may not be correct.

Deffo seems he/she got the bullet to the leg treatment from what I'm reading

GT_TDI_150

Seems its Mohamed Abrini, wanted since the Paris attacks, the guy that was rumoured to have been in Birmingham and had pictures of one of the stadiums there on his phone(as per the BBC Panorama broadcast earlier this week)


**correction** it is not Abrini, it does seem however that it might be the 3rd bomber from the airport. He had intended to board a tram and detonate a bomb according to belgian news sources

stefanovich

Nodin wrote:

What?

Send in American and European troops into Iraq and Syria and destroy IS.

DrumSteve

stefanovich wrote: »

Send in American and European troops into Iraq and Syria and destroy IS.

No...just no.

It took ages for them to withdraw previously; they don't want to be going in again.

The only way this can be defeated is by supporting Iraqi's/Syrians on the ground in opposition to them. Otherwise EU/USA will just be portrayed as an invader and ISIS ranks will swell further.

stefanovich

DrumSteve wrote:

The only way this can be defeated is by supporting Iraqi's/Syrians on the ground in opposition to them. Otherwise EU/USA will just be portrayed as an invader and ISIS ranks will swell further.

Not going so well so far is it?

Alternative is to completely level IS territory. Scorched earth.

Nodin

stefanovich wrote: »

Not going so well so far is it?

Alternative is to completely level IS territory. Scorched earth.

Mass bombing would create more sympathisers I'd imagine - if not with IS then with another bunch of bearded bretheren.

Polo_Mint

stefanovich wrote: »

Send in American and European troops into Iraq and Syria and destroy IS.

Good Idea. Has always been successful

DrumSteve

stefanovich wrote: »

Not going so well so far is it?

Alternative is to completely level IS territory. Scorched earth.

And what about civilians in the area?

Not everyone there is a rabid fanatic.

stefanovich

DrumSteve wrote: »

And what about civilians in the area?

Not everyone there is a rabid fanatic.

I doubt there's many moderate civilians left in IS strongholds. Any sane person would have fled. That's exactly why however that I thought ground invasion would be better. Less civilian casualties. As a previous poster stated, if they want to be treated like a country then let's do so and wage war.

stefanovich

Polo_Mint wrote: »

Good Idea. Has always been successful

Full on assault into IS strongholds. No mercy. Doubt they would last.

Nodin

stefanovich wrote: »

I doubt there's many moderate civilians left in IS strongholds. Any sane person would have fled. That's exactly why however that I thought ground invasion would be better. Less civilian casualties. As a previous poster stated, if they want to be treated like a country then let's do so and wage war.

Any sane person who could flee has doubtless fled.

Polo_Mint

stefanovich wrote: »

Full on assault into IS strongholds. No mercy. Doubt they would last.

So Lets get this straight because you look like you've deeply thought about this.

You think the US should sent ground troops into Syria.

The Same US who have supplied Militia in Syria to fight against Assad's Army.

You think thats going to go Smoothly?

smurgen

Nodin wrote: »

Mass bombing would create more sympathisers I'd imagine - if not with IS then with another bunch of bearded bretheren.

As much as I agree with you on most things I think something has to be done to drastically clamp down on the terrorist threat in Europe.I don't think further bombings in the middle east really is the answer but if the can hit training facilities etc with minimal collateral damage they should.
As someone who normally isn't swayed or influenced by the news I have to say in light of this mist recent attacks I'm nervous. Myself and a bunch of friends are due to travel to France for the Euro's and some of the lads are looking to pull out even with flights and hotels booked already.

stefanovich

Polo_Mint wrote: »

So Lets get this straight because you look like you've deeply thought about this.

You think the US should sent ground troops into Syria.

The Same US who have supplied Militia in Syria to fight against Assad's Army.

You think thats going to go Smoothly?

Okay so leave IS alone because we might upset Assad? Leave Assad out of it. Comparatively he's a force for good in the area keeping some of them under control.

Perhaps the US can focus on Iraq? European forces in Syria. I think if there was the political will to destroy IS it could be done.

stefanovich

Nodin wrote: »

Mass bombing would create more sympathisers I'd imagine - if not with IS then with another bunch of bearded bretheren.

No. It doesn't work that way in those countries. They respect force and might. That's why Assad ruled, that's why Saddam was in power.

It's not about revenge or upset at the behaviour of the west. It is about an ideology which tells them we are the enemy and are to be invaded and attacked.

Polo_Mint

stefanovich wrote: »

Okay so leave IS alone because we might upset Assad? Leave Assad out of it. Comparatively he's a force for good in the area keeping some of them under control.

Perhaps the US can focus on Iraq? European forces in Syria. I think if there was the political will to destroy IS it could be done.

Im Glad you asked this because you would actually think ISIS would be the US No1 target.

Im sure you've heard about Palmyra.

Palmyra is one of the most ancient cities in the world dating back to the Roman empire. It fell into Isis hands and Isis started blowing up the Monuments , buildings and Arches.

ISIS has massacred the people living around this city and are in control until the Syrian Army rolled up to take back this city.

Do you think the US would be in favour to the syrian army over ISIS.

I give you the US State Dept Spokesman Mark Toner who was asked this direct question

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxs7yog_CjM

GT_TDI_150

So ISIS haveoffered peace to Belgium and Europe as long as the stop bombing ISIS locations ...

So what they really are asking for is a chance to regroup.

There had been reports the are loosing ground in iraq and syria ... I reckon but more of a push might aid local ground forces in quashing ISIS .

Nodin

smurgen wrote: »

As much as I agree with you on most things I think something has to be done to drastically clamp down on the terrorist threat in Europe.I don't think further bombings in the middle east really is the answer but if the can hit training facilities etc with minimal collateral damage they should.
As someone who normally isn't swayed or influenced by the news I have to say in light of this mist recent attacks I'm nervous. Myself and a bunch of friends are due to travel to France for the Euro's and some of the lads are looking to pull out even with flights and hotels booked already.

O targeted "bombing fuck out of them" is a damn good idea. It was just the scorched earth notion sounded a bit like the 'any fixed structure' policy the US used in Cambodia - vast amount of death and suffering to little effect and ultimately counter-productive.

stoplooklisten

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Nodin

stefanovich wrote: »

No. It doesn't work that way in those countries. They respect force and might. That's why Assad ruled, that's why Saddam was in power.

It's not about revenge or upset at the behaviour of the west. It is about an ideology which tells them we are the enemy and are to be invaded and attacked.

That's the "orientalist" view, which rather forgets that if a regime rules people with murder death and torture they'll obey until such time as they can get rid of it, regardless of religion or culture. Certainly that was the case in Latin America, so why one would bestow a particular mind set on the middle east as if it was somehow exceptional has always evaded me.

stoplooklisten

Nodin wrote: »

That's the "orientalist" view, which rather forgets that if a regime rules people with murder death and torture they'll obey until such time as they can get rid of it, regardless of religion or culture. Certainly that was the case in Latin America, so why one would bestow a particular mind set on the middle east as if it was somehow exceptional has always evaded me.

because the time came where they got rid of the murder and death, and unlike Latin America, they choose not to change thier mindset, therefore exceptional