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Nodin

stoplooklisten wrote: »

because the time came where they got rid of the murder and death, and unlike Latin America, they choose not to change thier mindset, therefore exceptional

.....rather a nonsense there. They never got rid of Assad for starters, as the war is still on.

stoplooklisten

Nodin wrote: »

.....rather a nonsense there. They never got rid of Assad for starters, as the war is still on.

Yes, because too many groups are too interested in their own personal agendas to get anything productive done.

stefanovich

Polo_Mint wrote: »

Do you think the US would be in favour to the syrian army over ISIS.

I give you the US State Dept Spokesman Mark Toner who was asked this direct question

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uxs7yog_CjM

Christ. Pathetic.

12Phase

I'm starting to wonder if I made a huge mistake by not emigrating to Australia or Canada now.

These attacks have me increasingly concerned about things rapidly unraveling.

Just reading through French, German, Dutch and British media it looks like the EU is falling to bits. They're all blaming the attacks in systemic failures in Belgium and at EU level.

Meanwhile you've still got endless talk of instability. There are constant question marks over the Euro in the media and you've got impending Brexit that could cause absolute chaos here especially for SMEs with uk trade links.

Then you've the migrant crisis which is causing internal fractures as countries close doors and panic.

Meanwhile the US is running a presidential campaign that looks like the Jeremy Kyle or Jerry Springer Show.

I'm just thinking now did I miss the boat and should I have packed up and gone a few years ago to somewhere more stable and a bit isolated from all of this?

I never really thought things as fundamental as the currency, security and the structure of the EU were this fragile.

Polo_Mint

stefanovich wrote: »

Christ. Pathetic.

So now you see the issue.

Russia says every time you remove a dictatorship, Terrorism takes over.

These countries in the Middle east dont know what democracy is.

Look what happens when you remove Saddam Hussein and Colonel Gaddafi.

Imagine what happens when you remove Bashar Hafez al-Assad?

The US and its allies gave the people who are indiscriminately wiping out regions the weapons to do so.

As Putin said, A majority these people fighting the Governments are mercenaries.

Whoever pays more gets fighters.

Notice how when the oil fields were bombed and Isis lost out on Money they started losing Regions. Its not just because their fighters were getting killed.

Their fighters started switching sides where they would benefit.

I believe Isis were offering dreams to people living in neglected areas around Europe of some Fucked up better future and these people now think that Europeans are getting in the way of it.

They get this superiority complex by making Europeans **** themselves into pulling out of these regions.

stoplooklisten

Nuclear security worker found murdered with his security pass stolen


http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/brussels-attacks-nuclear-alert-after-security-officer-found-dead-with-his-pass-stolen-34574232.html


also the MET have dropped all charges against "mealy mouthed reply" guy, they are embarrassed at their actions according to the Daily mail

12Phase

That's more than a bit worrying.

Also the Met spend a lot of time pursuing rants Twitter users. It's a great use of resources during a massive terrorism alert!

murpho999

Whispered wrote: »

Ive a fear of flying following an incident a few years ago. I know it's irrational but knowing its irrational doesn't stop it.



Yep I do. After the London bombings a friend of mine started to have panic attacks on public transport. She'd had a rough few years anyway and was barely holding herself together so it was a case of straw that broke the camels back. But she stopped getting buses for a long time. Became very reclusive. Has since had therapy but still gets anxious on public transport and in large public areas such as train and bus stations.

That is not what I meant
Your example is of someone reacting to terrorist attack.
I mean I don't know of anyone who refuses to get on buses because of the two crashes this week that killed almost the same amount of people as the terrorist attacks.

People are not saying they won't travel on buses because they might be involved in fatal accident which is more likely than a terrorist attack.

dav3

stoplooklisten wrote: »

also the MET have dropped all charges against "mealy mouthed reply" guy, they are embarrassed at their actions according to the Daily mail

I'm sure if he can stop himself with the racist comments he won't end up arrested again.

murpho999

12Phase wrote: »

I'm starting to wonder if I made a huge mistake by not emigrating to Australia or Canada now.

These attacks have me increasingly concerned about things rapidly unraveling.

Just reading through French, German, Dutch and British media it looks like the EU is falling to bits. They're all blaming the attacks in systemic failures in Belgium and at EU level.

They are referring to systemic security and intelligence failures not society and normal functions.

Meanwhile you've still got endless talk of instability. There are constant question marks over the Euro in the media and you've got impending Brexit that could cause absolute chaos here especially for SMEs with uk trade links.

Britain could vote to stay. Even if they exit then I'm sure agreements with Ireland and UK will still exist. It will not mean the end of free trade. Look at Switzerland and Norway's relationship with the EU.
The Euro is an economic issue and we look to be over the worst. Does not threaten security.

Then you've the migrant crisis which is causing internal fractures as countries close doors and panic.

A definite problem that needs to tackled and solved. But emigrating to avoid an emigration crises sound weird to me.

Meanwhile the US is running a presidential campaign that looks like the Jeremy Kyle or Jerry Springer Show.

That is one candidate for one party. He will face a formidable opponent in the actual election and I don't think he will win it.

I'm just thinking now did I miss the boat and should I have packed up and gone a few years ago to somewhere more stable and a bit isolated from all of this?

I never really thought things as fundamental as the currency, security and the structure of the EU were this fragile.

Total overreaction in my opinion. Also if your worst fears come through as you write they will spread across the world.

12Phase

Well, if this causes Schengen to fully breakdown it'll cost huge money to the EU economy and if Brexit is spurred on by fears caused by these attacks, then we are looking at another 2008 style crash here.

The impact on the Irish economy according to quite a few economic models that have been run by reputable think thanks is absolutely huge.

They're not doing enough to tackle these attacks and they're also allowing the EU to become weak by pursuing insane policies of debt brinkmanship with Greece and others.

There's also been tons of talk about doing something regarding the migration crisis and all they've managed is a highly dodgy agreement with Turkey, a country that is rapidly becoming an authoritarian state so out of line with EU core values it shouldn't be anywhere near accession talks!

Meanwhile the British and others have gone out of their way to defund the EU budget which is going to further undermine initiatives like Frontex and policing cooperative agencies etc etc

There's tabloid hysterical nonsense about the size of the EU budget. It's actually pretty modest compared to most equivalent bodies, yet it is being expected to play a fundamental role in tackling all these issues with very little resources and endless squabbling.

The impression I'm getting is anytime there's a crisis in Europe it's "Everyman for himself" and screw solidarity.

I just see huge cracks emerging and I've been through one recession and don't fancy another one.

Life is too short.

GT_TDI_150

stoplooklisten wrote: »

Nuclear security worker found murdered with his security pass stolen


http://www.independent.ie/world-news/europe/brussels-attacks-nuclear-alert-after-security-officer-found-dead-with-his-pass-stolen-34574232.html


also the MET have dropped all charges against "mealy mouthed reply" guy, they are embarrassed at their actions according to the Daily mail

Now emerged he does not work at a powerplant, nor was a security badge stolen ...he was murdered tho but no relation to terror

timmyntc

12Phase wrote: »

The impression I'm getting is anytime there's a crisis in Europe it's "Everyman for himself" and screw solidarity.

I just see huge cracks emerging and I've been through one recession and don't fancy another one.

Life is too short.

The EU has been like that since the beginning, and it's because the EU is a collection of different countries of different people very little of whom identify as European first.

It's like inter County squabbles in Ireland, everybody gives out about any Dublin based spending and everyone wants their own little area looked after, because a lot of people identify as from their county first, country second.

The EU as a the superstate it is becoming will never last, it will never work unless the entire population is one homogenous group. And I don't think it will ever come to pass.

Impetus

The Brussels Airport bomb attack is an Aspirin and toothache problem. You need to get to the source of the pain.


These issues are not originated in ‘terrorism’ to use Maggie Thatcher’s ‘trademarked’ phrase which she applied to things Irish, back in the day. The origin of the problem is racism and attempted theft of natural resources, not terrorism. If there was no British 'involvement' with Ireland in times past, there would have been no IRA or any similar organization.

1. The entire sequence of events has been grossly mismanaged by the politicians (and permanent government) that we in the ‘West’ ‘employ’ to run the place.


2. Bush bombs Iraq, using the excuse of weapons of mass destruction in Iraqi hands. The real agenda was to grab control of Iraqi hydrocarbons. Blair (GB) joins in. A million or so souls dead as a result. Leaving Iraq a leaderless mess. Anglo Saxons it seems to me don’t like ‘brown people’ period. Iraq was a racism and oil grab driven disaster for everybody.


3. This leaves a political void in that part of the world.


4. We had the Madrid train bombings on 11.03.2004 which killed 192 people and injured some 1’800. This followed Spain’s bombing of Iraq. http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/3637523.stm


5. 2011 France, GB and Canada attack Libya, among others. Libya is left leaderless. Another country decimated. For no good reason. Surely this is the opposite of democracy? At least Gaddafi could keep the show on the road for his country.


6. A Danish ‘newspaper’ Jyllands-Posten publishes anti Muslim ‘cartoons’. Back in the day if a British newspaper published anti-Catholic, anti-Papal, ‘cartoons’ - many Irish (and other European) people would get very animated about the issue. The Danes were also involved in the military attack against Libya. Freedom of speech or racism?


7. France’s Charlie Hebdo tabloid medium (https://charliehebdo.fr ) copied the Danes, using the ‘freedom of speech’ mantra to attack Islam. Another racist attack against a world religion. This issue has nothing to do with freedom of speech. Am I exercising my ‘freedom of speech’ if I call out loud to someone travelling down the footpath a homosexual, cistric fibrosisis infected, wheelchair bound, idiot? Not that I am equating a religious belief with a medical problem.

8. There followed attacks on Paris locations, which are inexcusable in themselves, and many lives were lost, needlessly.


9. All these activities have fuelled the creation and growth of IS.


10. The average Belgian I know /have come across is not a racist. Belgian police were forced by EU agreements etc to hunt down the people who were ‘delivering payback’ to France for their state terrorism against Middle Eastern countries. I am not justifying this ‘payback’ in any way. I am groping for a way forward to fix the issue in my thinking.


11. There are countries with large racist populations (who also have many good thinking people). These include Saxony, (the origin of the Anglo Saxon DNA), the US, GB, (both of whom also have the Saxon DNA) and parts of France – especially away from the Mediterranean, and some Danish people. These are intended as broad brush – rather than definitive.


12. Those who call for improved ‘security’ are missing the point. If you fingerprint and DNA test everybody and subject them to an hour long interview before boarding an aircraft, if you are perceived as malicious, chances are the landside of your airport will be attacked. If you do the fingerprinting and interviews before allowing entry to the airport landside, the car park might be blown up. And so it goes on. Every high profile building is at risk. ‘Security’ is not the answer to the problem of thieving racist abuse of other cultures.


13. The Belgian mobile phone network Base was criticised for upping the power on cellsites to provide greater coverage (and less dropped/failed calls for their subscribers) during the events at the airport. https://www.base.be/en.html They exceeded the bureaucratically permitted mV/m2 non-ionising radiation exposure levels for a few hours around Zaventem to let people communicate in an emergency. Bureaucracy / journalism gone mad.


A timeline of events which does not include BRU: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11341599/Prophet-Muhammad-cartoons-controversy-timeline.html

Is it not time for some statesman to emerge with the ability to cut this timeline with a scissors and end the tit for tat? I have ignored the financial costs in terms of border controls, long queues of trucks, airport delays, time wasted - around 100 bn EUR a year in Europe down the toilet.

BalcombeSt4

12Phase wrote: »

I'm starting to wonder if I made a huge mistake by not emigrating to Australia or Canada now.

These attacks have me increasingly concerned about things rapidly unraveling.

Just reading through French, German, Dutch and British media it looks like the EU is falling to bits. They're all blaming the attacks in systemic failures in Belgium and at EU level.

Meanwhile you've still got endless talk of instability. There are constant question marks over the Euro in the media and you've got impending Brexit that could cause absolute chaos here especially for SMEs with uk trade links.

Then you've the migrant crisis which is causing internal fractures as countries close doors and panic.

Meanwhile the US is running a presidential campaign that looks like the Jeremy Kyle or Jerry Springer Show.

I'm just thinking now did I miss the boat and should I have packed up and gone a few years ago to somewhere more stable and a bit isolated from all of this?

I never really thought things as fundamental as the currency, security and the structure of the EU were this fragile.

You don't think moving to Canada or Australia is a bit of an over reaction?

There was scores of bomb & gun attacks by loyalists in the 26 counties between 1969 - 1994 which killed dozens of people & injured around 1,000 all in the name of God & Ulster. I don't think anybody moved to another country because of them tho.

Between October 1974 - December 1975 a single IRA unit carried out around 40 bombings & shootings in London & Southern England including bombings in Caterham, Guildford, Woolwich, Kensington, Oxford Street & in places like Selfridges, Harrods, clubs and restaurants in the West End which killed scores of people injured 100's & caused millions of pounds worth of damages. I'm sure nobody moved out of England because of it.

stoplooklisten

Impetus wrote: »

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7. France’s Charlie Hebdo tabloid medium (https://charliehebdo.fr ) copied the Danes, using the ‘freedom of speech’ mantra to attack Islam. Another racist attack against a world religion.

Another racist attack against a world religion.

What?

timthumbni

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

You don't think moving to Canada or Australia is a bit of an over reaction?

There was scores of bomb & gun attacks by loyalists in the 26 counties between 1969 - 1994 which killed dozens of people & injured around 1,000 all in the name of God & Ulster. I don't think anybody moved to another country because of them tho.

Luckily it was only loyalists that murdered people in Northern Ireland during the troubles. If republicans had have been into that oul murder carry on we would really have been in the sh1t.

And just for interest I know a few people who moved away from Northern Ireland because of the troubles and the habit the IRA had of leaving huge bombs in public places.

stoplooklisten

Impetus wrote: »

You can where a particular religious belief is mainly found in a given race of people.

What race of people have claim to the muslim religion? the Arabs? the Asians?

Impetus

timthumbni wrote: »

Luckily it was only loyalists that murdered people in Northern Ireland during the troubles. If republicans had have been into that oul murder carry on we would really have been in the sh1t.

And just for interest I know a few people who moved away from Northern Ireland because of the troubles and the habit the IRA had of leaving huge bombs in public places.

Why would the IRA exist, if there was not a podium of discontent to base their beliefs on? I have zero support for the IRA. I am just looking for a solution to the problem.

Impetus

stoplooklisten wrote: »

What race of people have claim to the muslim religion? the Arabs? the Asians?

You can have multiple races claiming Muslim religion. In the media it is Muislim = Middle East 99% of the time. Not Asian countries.

BalcombeSt4

timthumbni wrote: »

Luckily it was only loyalists that murdered people in Northern Ireland during the troubles. If republicans had have been into that oul murder carry on we would really have been in the sh1t.

And just for interest I know a few people who moved away from Northern Ireland because of the troubles and the habit the IRA had of leaving huge bombs in public places.

I know people who moved out of the North aswell to like my mothers family. The North was like a war zone in the 70's & 80's. The South & England were just hit by random attacks there wasn't almost daily gun battles & bombings like there was in the North in the early 70's.

There first part of your post is just right-wing crap. There was murder committed by all 3 sides during the conflict.

stoplooklisten

Impetus wrote: »

You can have multiple races claiming Muslim religion. In the media it is Muislim = Middle East 99% of the time. Not Asian countries.

So which race are we racist against when being racist against the religion? It makes no sense. Asia has more muslims.

Impetus

stoplooklisten wrote: »

So which race are we racist against when being racist against the religion? It makes no sense. Asia has more muslims.

Call it quasi-racism against people of a given religious belief. This direction this discussion is taking is missing the point. Muslims in Asia have been less subjected to oil grabbing and American and British bombing, among other countries. So they have less motive to attack back.

timthumbni

Impetus wrote: »

Why would the IRA exist, if there was not a podium of discontent to base their beliefs on? I have zero support for the IRA. I am just looking for a solution to the problem.

I really don't know the solution to the Isis terrorist problem. I would suggest that allowing mass immigration from those regions is probably not a good idea though.

There are loads of extremists already in Europe but I fail to see how leaving the door open for loads more (and I'm aware that most of the refugees aren't extremists before anyone starts that nonsense) to come in helps.

timthumbni

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

I know people who moved out of the North aswell to like my mothers family. The North was like a war zone in the 70's & 80's. The South & England were just hit by random attacks there wasn't almost daily gun battles & bombings like there was in the North in the early 70's.

There first part of your post is just right-wing crap. There was murder committed by all 3 sides during the conflict.

Right wing crap???? What are you drinking???

BalcombeSt4

Impetus wrote: »

Call it quasi-racism against people of a given religious belief. This direction this discussion is taking is missing the point. Muslims in Asia have been less subjected to oil grabbing and American and British bombing, among other countries. So they have less motive to attack back.

Correct.

There's over 1 billion Muslims living in South & Southeast Asia who don't cause any trouble. There's about 350 million living in the Middle East & North Africa, the ones who cause the most trouble are the ones living countries attacked by the West, mostly the US, Israel & the UK. Before the 2003 invasion of Iraq there was not 1 recorded suicide bombing in that country, since then there's been almost 2,000.

stoplooklisten

Impetus wrote: »

Call it quasi-racism against people of a given religious belief. This direction this discussion is taking is missing the point. Muslims in Asia have been less subjected to oil grabbing and American and British bombing, among other countries. So they have less motive to attack back.

I won't because it's not. If I criticize Islam, i am not criticizing a race.. to call it racist is to make it out as something it is not and to try an label anyone who critises islam as a racist is just plain wrong.

BalcombeSt4

timthumbni wrote: »

Right wing crap???? What are you drinking???

What do you mean what am I drinking? Would you consider Loyalists to be left-wing liberals? if so what are you drinking? Everybody knows the vast majority of Loyalists vote for right-wing policies.

Impetus

timthumbni wrote: »

I really don't know the solution to the Isis terrorist problem. I would suggest that allowing mass immigration from those regions is probably not a good idea though.

There are loads of extremists already in Europe but I fail to see how leaving the door open for loads more (and I'm aware that most of the refugees aren't extremists before anyone starts that nonsense) to come in helps.

I didn't suggest leaving an open door. The people involved in the Paris and Brussels attacks were Belgian citizens as far as can be determined. France has about 7.5 million people of this persuasion. This is a legacy issue from state terrorism / colonialisation.

At least France seems to have learned for the past - countries like Guyana are in France (not colonies) and get French social protection, they have French postcodes, EDF provides the electricity, France Telecom the phones (Orange) and they can vote in French parliament and French Senate elections, and you don't have to wear wellingtons to walk the streets during heavy rainfall because they have French drainage. Unlike their Dutch colonial neighbours across the river where walking down the street is like walking in a river.

BalcombeSt4

Registered Sax Offender wrote: »

Agreed. I hate radical Islam but not Muslims in general.

Your first post saying all Muslims in favor of Sharia law need to get of Europe made you sound like you against all Muslims in general