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Impetus

stoplooklisten wrote: »

I won't because it's not. If I criticize Islam, i am not criticizing a race.. to call it racist is to make it out as something it is not and to try an label anyone who critises islam as a racist is just plain wrong.

Wake up. It is the same 'button'. If someone says they hate Irish people, Irish speakers, Catholics, etc.... it tends to infuriate some/many people. This line of argument is not going to solve the problem.

stoplooklisten

Impetus wrote: »

Wake up. It is the same 'button'. If someone says they hate Irish people, Irish speakers, Catholics, etc.... it tends to infuriate some/many people. This line of argument is not going to solve the problem.

No, there is no legitimate reason to dislike because of differences between skin colour

there is a legitimate reasons to dislike a pedophile following cult

So your racist label is bull****

By saying it's racist you are highlighting a victim complex

timthumbni

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

What do you mean what am I drinking? Would you consider Loyalists to be left-wing liberals? if so what are you drinking? Everybody knows the vast majority of Loyalists vote for right-wing policies.

I'm asking you what in my post would you consider to be right wing. I wasn't standing up for loyalists. I consider them to be scumbags just like the IRA.

And the uvfs political wing the pup would certainly not consider themselves right wing. The main unionist parties in Northern Ireland would be centre right probably. Most of Europe is probably centre right. Have you got a general problem with people who are to the right, politically speaking??

BalcombeSt4

timthumbni wrote: »

I'm asking you what in my post would you consider to be right wing. I wasn't standing up for loyalists. I consider them to be scumbags just like the IRA.

And the uvfs political wing the pup would certainly not consider themselves right wing. The main unionist parties in Northern Ireland would be centre right probably. Most of Europe is probably centre right. Have you got a general problem with people who are to the right, politically speaking??

Well it very much looked like you were standing up for them.

And the PUP won how many seats in the last election? I remember their leader Billy Hutchinson telling Peter Taylor he was very proud of being a UVF member & he had no regrets at all for killing 2 innocent Catholics.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/nazi-and-confederate-flags-erected-near-loyalist-bonfire-site-in-carrickfergus-alongside-paramilitary-flags-31360497.html

Sure ^ center right. :rolleyes:

timthumbni

Impetus wrote: »

I didn't suggest leaving an open door. The people involved in the Paris and Brussels attacks were Belgian citizens as far as can be determined. France has about 7.5 million people of this persuasion. This is a legacy issue from state terrorism / colonialisation.

At least France seems to have learned for the past - countries like Guyana are in France (not colonies) and get French social protection, they have French postcodes, EDF provides the electricity, France Telecom the phones (Orange) and they can vote in French parliament and French Senate elections, and you don't have to wear wellingtons to walk the streets during heavy rainfall because they have French drainage. Unlike their Dutch colonial neighbours across the river where walking down the street is like walking in a river.

I'm not being funny here but I genuinely have no idea what you are talking about in your second paragraph.

I'm well aware that the terror attacks were probably carried out by so called Belgian nationals. The fact they believe in a 1000 virgins waiting for them says a lot about their religion though. Religion in general is a curse and it's barely believable that, in the year 2016, people still believe in any religion. It is quite frankly, ridiculous.

stoplooklisten

Impetus wrote: »

You are indulging in nitpickery. Christian = universal - this there are lots of them around - Catholics, various Protestant groups, and so it goes on.

Muslim / Islam is more concentrated geographically. Not that I am trying to tempt somebody, but I have never heard of somebody from an Asian Muslim country engaging in acts of racism against European high profile targets.

Terrorism is to create fear. It must have a motivation. New born babies don't hate any -ism. The -ism has to be injected into their thinking by local knowledge / experience. The Middle East has suffered from US and European exploitation and dirty tricks. Far away places that are also Muslim have not, or have to a far lesser extent suffered from Western exploitation. ie they are less *issed off.

Christians are universal, muslims are not...sorry you've lost the plot here. maybe muslims are exotic to you, but there's a fairly mixed bunch in my community.

you make muslims sound like an endangered species :pac:

timthumbni

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

Well it very much looked like you were standing up for them.

And the PUP won how many seats in the last election? I remember their leader Billy Hutchinson telling Peter Taylor he was very proud of being a UVF member & he had no regrets at all for killing 2 innocent Catholics.

http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/nazi-and-confederate-flags-erected-near-loyalist-bonfire-site-in-carrickfergus-alongside-paramilitary-flags-31360497.html

Sure ^ center right. :rolleyes:

If you saw my other posts on other threads you would see I have no love for loyalist or republican terrorists. And I really don't know why you posted that link. What has that got to do with the price of eggs? Unless you are saying that one of the main unionist parties put the flag up. Now that would be interesting.

Impetus

timthumbni wrote: »

I'm not being funny here but I genuinely have no idea what you are talking about in your second paragraph.

I'm well aware that the terror attacks were probably carried out by so called Belgian nationals. The fact they believe in a 1000 virgins waiting for them says a lot about their religion though. Religion in general is a curse and it's barely believable that, in the year 2016, people still believe in any religion. It is quite frankly, ridiculous.

In simple words, France has adopted these areas as overseas departments (counties) in Anglo Saxon talk. When GB controlled Hong Kong, Hong Kongers did not get British social protection, had their own electricity supply, they had their own meteoroligical office, they did not pay British taxes or social contributions, they had a different currency etc. The only difference between someone born in Guyana and somebody born in Paris is that they are not in Schengen. They have to go through passport control in Europe when coming from another part of France, which happens to be just next to Brazil. And the same applies to French 'counties' in Asia/Pacific etc.

stoplooklisten

Impetus wrote: »

In simple words, France has adopted these areas as overseas departments (counties) in Anglo Saxon talk. When GB controlled Hong Kong, Hong Kongers did not get British social protection, had their own electricity supply, they had their own meteoroligical office, they did not pay British taxes or social contributions, they had a different currency etc. The only difference between someone born in Guyana and somebody born in Paris is that they are not in Schengen. They have to go through passport control in Europe when coming from another part of France, which happens to be just next to Brazil. And the same applies to French 'counties' in Asia/Pacific etc.

They get all the benefits without contributing any tax?

timthumbni

Impetus wrote: »

In simple words, France has adopted these areas as overseas departments (counties) in Anglo Saxon talk. When GB controlled Hong Kong, Hong Kongers did not get British social protection, had their own electricity supply, they had their own meteoroligical office, they did not pay British taxes or social contributions, they had a different currency etc. The only difference between someone born in Guyana and somebody born in Paris is that they are not in Schengen. They have to go through passport control in Europe when coming from another part of France, which happens to be just next to Brazil. And the same applies to French 'counties' in Asia/Pacific etc.

Which French "counties" are you referring to exactly??

stoplooklisten

darkpagandeath wrote: »

How would it make you a Racist ? Its Religious laws.

It doesn't. But being labelled as a "racist" is a label everyone is afraid to have, because being a racist is a irrational position.

However if one side shout "racist" , even though it's a different issue, mud sticks so people stop calling them out on radical beliefs

Pretzill

This has really nothing to do with religion - though it is using that banner and it is working well in its favour - It is terrorism, not just against anyone who doesn't follow Islam or who are of no religion. Against democracy. Against being able to live in a free world, however you like, with or without religion. It wants to instill fear in all people who don't agree with its medievel ways.

The problem is it's insidious, it's creeping in and there are some who believe in its skewed power.

There are people right across Europe and beyond willing to strap bombs to themselves for this and using an extreme form of Islam as a badge only gives their sick cause air - adds confusion - brings fear and hate on a community who live under that religions umbrella.
Many acts of terror are born out of a history of oppression.

This isn't
This is wanting to oppress.
The sooner everyone of these c*nts is tracked down and their cause is quashed the better.

Impetus

Registered Sax Offender wrote: »

That makes no sense. If I hate Islam, which I don't, only the radical element, I am a racist but If I'm a Muslim who hates Christianity I'm a not a racist? What if I'm a Buddhist and I hate Jews? Who's the racist in that scenario?

Perhaps better to just admit you can't be racist against a religion?

No. Because I live in an EU country which has (largely) guest Muslims, who come from the Middle East, and the people of the country I live in are 99% Catholic and there are no issues, because both societies respect each other. All I am asking for is this to be rolled out across the EU and Middle East. Unlike Ireland the country is a full member of the EU (in Schengen).

It is down to respect for the individual human being , which is the measure of 'class'. And personally I would prefer if females did not wear the head garb - but they want to and I hold no objection against that.

Impetus

Pretzill wrote: »

This has really nothing to do with religion - though it is using that banner and it is working well in its favour - It is terrorism, not just against anyone who doesn't follow Islam or who are of no religion. Against democracy. Against being able to live in a free world, however you like, with or without religion. It wants to instill fear in all people who don't agree with its medievel ways.

The problem is it's insidious, it's creeping in and there are some who believe in its skewed power.

There are people right across Europe and beyond willing to strap bombs to themselves for this and using an extreme form of Islam as a badge only gives their sick cause air - adds confusion - brings fear and hate on a community who live under that religions umbrella.
Many acts of terror are born out of a history of oppression.

This isn't
This is wanting to oppress.
The sooner everyone of these c*nts is tracked down and their cause is quashed the better.

Why are people willing to strap bombs against their bodies? Surely they must feel that they are being short changed?

darkpagandeath

Pretzill wrote: »

This has really nothing to do with religion - though it is using that banner and it is working well in its favour - It is terrorism, not just against anyone who doesn't follow Islam or who are of no religion. Against democracy. Against being able to live in a free world, however you like, with or without religion. It wants to instill fear in all people who don't agree with its medievel ways.

The problem is it's insidious, it's creeping in and there are some who believe in its skewed power.

There are people right across Europe and beyond willing to strap bombs to themselves for this and using an extreme form of Islam as a badge only gives their sick cause air - adds confusion - brings fear and hate on a community who live under that religions umbrella.
Many acts of terror are born out of a history of oppression.

This isn't
This is wanting to oppress.
The sooner everyone of these c*nts is tracked down and their cause is quashed the better.

I'm sorry but, It's always either Religion, Power or Resource. Has been since time and memorial.

stoplooklisten

Impetus wrote: »

No. Because I live in an EU country which has (largely) guest Muslims, who come from the Middle East, and the people of the country I live in are 99% Catholic and there are no issues,....

Where is the mystical country?

Netherlands
Germany
italy
greece
france
sweden
poland
austria

found it! Wonderful, bustling, EU metropolis of Cork, Ireland :pac:

Impetus

timthumbni wrote: »

Which French "counties" are you referring to exactly??

They are listed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_department

The Euro is the currency. They are in the EU - be they in Latin America or the Pacific or wherever. And they have MEP representation.

timthumbni

Pretzill wrote: »

This has really nothing to do with religion - though it is using that banner and it is working well in its favour - It is terrorism, not just against anyone who doesn't follow Islam or who are of no religion. Against democracy. Against being able to live in a free world, however you like, with or without religion. It wants to instill fear in all people who don't agree with its medievel ways.

The problem is it's insidious, it's creeping in and there are some who believe in its skewed power.

There are people right across Europe and beyond willing to strap bombs to themselves for this and using an extreme form of Islam as a badge only gives their sick cause air - adds confusion - brings fear and hate on a community who live under that religions umbrella.
Many acts of terror are born out of a history of oppression.

This isn't
This is wanting to oppress.
The sooner everyone of these c*nts is tracked down and their cause is quashed the better.

True, but we are letting the next generation in as we speak. How exactly can anyone quash their cause? You don't understand their beliefs. I don't either because we live in a wee Western European bubble. Watched a doc. on Saudi Arabia recently. Public beheadings, religious police. We live on practically a different planet to these people.

Impetus

stoplooklisten wrote: »

Where is the mystical country?

Netherlands
Germany
italy
greece
france
sweden
poland
austria

found it! Wonderful, bustling, EU metropolis of Cork, Ireland :pac:

Your list is far too northerly biased. Think again.....

timthumbni

Impetus wrote: »

They are listed here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Overseas_department

The Euro is the currency. They are in the EU - be they in Latin America or the Pacific or wherever. And they have MEP representation.

Those are oddities really with very small populations. What is your point regarding France and these places anyway? How is it relevant to the Brussels bombing?

stoplooklisten

Impetus wrote: »

Your list is far too northerly biased. Think again.....

Are you too embarrassed to stand over your bull****ty comment to actually name the country? Where muslims and catholics live in harmony. I'd be interested in reading up on what approach they took to achieve such harmony. The majority of countries seem to have had issues. Those listed for instance.

BalcombeSt4

timthumbni wrote: »

If you saw my other posts on other threads you would see I have no love for loyalist or republican terrorists. And I really don't know why you posted that link. What has that got to do with the price of eggs? Unless you are saying that one of the main unionist parties put the flag up. Now that would be interesting.

It's not really that easy you go on a rant about Republicans (usually irrelevant to the posts) & then throw Loyalists in as a kind of after taught.

You really don't see anything far right about a Nazi symbol? That's intresting.
I'm not saying one of the main Unionist parties put it up but I wouldn't be surprised if one of their voters did. After all it's beside a UDA flag, the same UDA who had many connections to far-right groups in Britain & Europe who DUP leader Peter Robinson defended in the 1980's as freedom fighters, the same UDA who exploded a bomb at Dublin airport in 1975 killing 1 person, the same UDA behind the Sean Grahams Bookmakers massacre & the Greysteel massacre, the same UDA behind the brutal double murder of Paddy Wilson MP & Irene Andrews, the same UDA who had Johnny Adair as one of their leaders who made a documentary with a mate of his called "Nazi Nick" (not Nick Griffin btw some German fella). Paddy Wilson was hacked and stabbed 30 times and his throat cut from ear to ear, sounds like something ISIS would do to a person if not worse.

stoplooklisten

timthumbni wrote: »

Those are oddities really with very small populations. What is your point regarding France and these places anyway? How is it relevant to the Brussels bombing?

I think it's if we supply all the infrastructure and benefits in all the north African countries, and allow them representation in EU parliament, without asking for taxes or interfering in their business, peace will reign.

Impetus

timthumbni wrote: »

Those are oddities really with very small populations. What is your point regarding France and these places anyway? How is it relevant to the Brussels bombing?

I would have thought it was obvious. France has adopted these countries in a democratic manner, allowing the populations of same to be part of France politically and economically. In the past France had colonies, where the victims were exploited. Like Iraq and Libya have been, and many other Middle Eastern countries - and beyond. For their natural resources. Combined with a tinge of race/religion bias.

Pretzill

timthumbni wrote: »

True, but we are letting the next generation in as we speak. How exactly can anyone quash their cause? You don't understand their beliefs. I don't either because we live in a wee Western European bubble. Watched a doc. on Saudi Arabia recently. Public beheadings, religious police. We live on practically a different planet to these people.

We don't have to understand their beliefs. But living here there is a need to understand ours. Because if you don't you fall outside our laws.

We no longer live in times where religious law is greater than state law - we did once - in medieval times - so how have we grown up (we're not perfect) and Daesh are happy to exist in the dark ages?

If people are happy to exist in Saudi under that regime so be it. But there is westernisation there too and perhaps many don't want to live like this anymore.

I don't really care. I just don't want f*ckers who think it's perfectly okay to meet out Sharia or whatever religious law they follow where I live.

Impetus

stoplooklisten wrote: »

I think it's if we supply all the infrastructure and benefits in all the north African countries, and allow them representation in EU parliament, without asking for taxes or interfering in their business, peace will reign.

No. We pay them for their oil at market rates, instead of doing a fake weapons of mass destruction excuse takeover. They have no desire to be European, most of them, and no right for representation in the EU parliament. But above all we don't allow so called 'western countries' to bomb the hell out of them, for whatever reason. It is a matter of good relationship rather than being racist.

Impetus

It seems to me that the thinking of many people in this group is part of the problem rather than being part of the solution. Being in a different time zone, I intend to retire for the discussion. Thinking to myself is it any wonder that politics in Ireland (and elsewhere) is in such a mess.

darkpagandeath

timthumbni wrote: »

I sort of agree with you but the question is then do we just refuse all genuine refugees??? I would personally be inclined to raise the drawbridge until the nonsense over there is sorted out. Im not confident that it will ever be sorted though. Even if it's only 1 in a 1000 extremists getting in (and I think it's higher) then Germany by taking in a million will potentially have 1000 extremists and then their potential converts. It's madness but the looney left would have us take anybody without thinking of the long term consequences later.

The numbers of none Syrian do not backup the Genuine refugee stance. Most are economic migrants. They can get a passports and apply for work Visas if they want to work here I have no problem with that.

timthumbni

BalcombeSt4 wrote: »

It's not really that easy you go on a rant about Republicans (usually irrelevant to the posts) & then throw Loyalists in as a kind of after taught.

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It was actually you who brought loyalists in NI into this thread balcombe so you are talking nonsense. Read over your posts and you will see this.

stoplooklisten

Impetus wrote: »

No. We pay them for their oil at market rates, instead of doing a fake weapons of mass destruction excuse takeover. They have no desire to be European, most of them, and no right for representation in the EU parliament. But above all we don't allow so called 'western countries' to bomb the hell out of them, for whatever reason. It is a matter of good relationship rather than being racist.

When did we do WMD as an excuse to try and take over syria?