Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). **Read warning in 1st post**

newbbieb

Paully D wrote: »

Of course Alvarez wants to fight Conor. When you see what others are making, Eddie is vastly overpaid on his current $150,000 a fight deal and IMO hasn't looked at all impressive in the UFC apart from the dos Anjos fight, with 2 split decisions wins against fighters on multiple fight losing streaks and a loss.

I know he beat dos Anjos but out of the UFC's rankings, I genuinely don't think he'd beat any of their top 5 fighters (obviously excluding the aforementioned) - Khabib, Ferguson, Diaz, Barboza, Cowboy. He will never get an opportunity like this again, I still can't actually fathom how he has ended up with the belt, and he would obviously milk a potential McGregor fight for all it's worth.

None of us know for sure, but I feel there's 2 very realistic possibilities:

1) McGregor won't give up the 145 title which Dana wants him to do and there's a power stand off with Dana trying to win out by threatening to give the 155 shot to someone else

2) Alvarez is going too far with his demands

You could say Conor might be going too far with his demands but I think this would be very straightforward to sort out as the UFC clearly know what be brings to the table.

Anyway, it'd be cool to see McGregor on the 205 card but after how much the Diaz camp, build up and subsequent fight must have taken out of him all things considered (along with the injury) I wouldn't be averse at all to seeing him take a bit more time off. New York would be very, very rushed.

I have a feeling Dana wants McGregor/Aldo headlining with Alvarez/Khabib Co-main,Khabib has been in camp so Dana told him to be ready for something.

Feels like Eddie and Conor and trying to force Dana to make the fight between them,Eddie seems to be resisting to sign for the Khabib fight and as long as he has the belt he has leverage and i guess he is using it to try and get the big payday.

Who can blame him coz once the belt is gone he is like Rockhold and Weidman complaining about pay etc with no leverage.

Mean Laqueefa

newbbieb wrote: »

I have a feeling Dana wants McGregor/Aldo headlining with Alvarez/Khabib Co-main,Khabib has been in camp so Dana told him to be ready for something.

Feels like Eddie and Conor and trying to force Dana to make the fight between them,Eddie seems to be resisting to sign for the Khabib fight and as long as he has the belt he has leverage and i guess he is using it to try and get the big payday.

Who can blame him coz once the belt is gone he is like Rockhold and Weidman complaining about pay etc with no leverage.

No rockhold, no wiedman no raging al , no conor , at this rate dana wana be carefull, gate is one thing but new yorkers are savy and aint goona go for a **** card and no conor = less money.

I feel it in my waters that conor knows dana days are numbered and and this dana last call, pulling him and placing on 206 will sell 206 which reinforces conors point

newbbieb

Mean Laqueefa wrote: »

No rockhold, no wiedman no raging al , no conor , at this rate dana wana be carefull, gate is one thing but new yorkers are savy and aint goona go for a **** card and no conor = less money.

I feel it in my waters that conor knows dana days are numbered and and this dana last call, pulling him and placing on 206 will sell 206 which reinforces conors point

Its definitely interesting times right now,Danas power is diminished somewhat since the sale,theres no doubt the new owners are gonna back everything Dana does at least in the short term but when people know he hasn't got their ear like he had the Fertitas it changes things.

CatFromHue

I caught a bit of Brendan Schaub on the Fighter and the Kid and he's heard that since the sale Dana has been much easier to deal with than before.

TimRiggins

CatFromHue wrote: »

I caught a bit of Brendan Schaub on the Fighter and the Kid and he's heard that since the sale Dana has been much easier to deal with than before.

I don't know how you listen to that tripe.

CatFromHue

It was one of those small clips that people put on youtube, only a couple of mins long and straight to the point.

Subcomandante Marcos

TimRiggins wrote: »

I don't know how you listen to that tripe.

I can listen to Schaub but the second Callen starts talking about economics or politics I can do it. He's a ****ing moron who thinks his stage school background entitles him to spout nonsense.

Subcomandante Marcos

Subcomandante Marcos wrote: »

I can listen to Schaub but the second Callen starts talking about economics or politics I can do it. He's a ****ing moron who thinks his stage school background entitles him to spout nonsense.

When he says "dropping knowledge" I want to drop kick him haha

Outlaw Pete

https://twitter.com/bokamotoESPN/status/778752710199828482

Mellor

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

https://twitter.com/bokamotoESPN/status/778752710199828482

As I mentioned above, he's block by the NSAC until mid October. This has always been the case since UFC 202. And the main obstacle. He's either have to disobey the commission, or come into the fight with a very short camp.



Per reports, it's looking like they offer Eddie a fight with Khabib at 205. He refused to sign and kept angling for McGregor. The deadline for 205 has past, so now he's been offer Khabib at 206. He still wants McGregor.

wonderfullife

Mellor wrote: »

As I mentioned above, he's block by the NSAC until mid October. This has always been the case since UFC 202. And the main obstacle. He's either have to disobey the commission, or come into the fight with a very short camp.



Per reports, it's looking like they offer Eddie a fight with Khabib at 205. He refused to sign and kept angling for McGregor. The deadline for 205 has past, so now he's been offer Khabib at 206. He still wants McGregor.

Conor is already in camp.

Well, let me rephrase that. I know for a fact he's been grappling and rolling with Richie Smullen and Kiefer this week.

Actually, i know he's been in the gym every day this week.

His leg is grand enough to roll, grapple, wrestle!!


The problem a lot of people (including myself) are overlooking is this:

UFC200 did around 1.2million PPV buys. With Conor v Nate 2, given the nature of the card, it's safe to say it would have done closer to 2 million.

But - UFC200 + UFC202 combined did 2.85 million PPV.


So, Dana White might be thinking that the NY card (with the historic element of MSG) might do close to 1 million no matter who they put on it....and then have Conor fight on a random number like 207.

I.e. 200 + 202 did much better than it would have if Conor did 200.
205 + 207 would follow similar pattern.

It might be in the UFC's best interest to keep Conor off a landmark card. Then again, UFC 205 might bomb (relatively speaking) and do 750k PPV's and Conor might break a leg crossing the road.....so it's such a high risk game of chicken they are playing.

TimRiggins

Mellor wrote: »

As I mentioned above, he's block by the NSAC until mid October. This has always been the case since UFC 202. And the main obstacle. He's either have to disobey the commission, or come into the fight with a very short camp.



Per reports, it's looking like they offer Eddie a fight with Khabib at 205. He refused to sign and kept angling for McGregor. The deadline for 205 has past, so now he's been offer Khabib at 206. He still wants McGregor.

That's no stumbling block whatsoever. All he has to do is go to the NSAC's doctor and get it cleared.

Mellor

wonderfullife wrote: »

5.3million PPV's in his last 4 fights is a gross of $300 million. Gross income for the UFC. In those 4 fights Conor had disclosed purses of $3 million, $1 million, $500,000 (x2).


The UFC is traditionally accepted to make around 60% in profit of the PPV gross, after they factor in marketing, production, fight pay etc etc.

We can't be certain, it could be higher or lower, but it's a fair ball-park.

So McGregor for 189/194/196/202 was paid $31.5 million out of a net profit he made the UFC of €199.7 million.

Your numbers are off there.

UFC don't take all the PPV money. They aren't the distributors.
I've seen it suggested that 60% is their gross, BEFORE marketing, production, fight pay, etc. No idea how much that costs tbh.

Demetrious got $191,000 by defeating Dodson. The Gate was $1.3 million. PPV buys were 115,000. His PPV points were reported to be $3 but i'm not sure how much he made out of the tiered system. Let's assume it was $1 for the bottom tier.

That's $300,000 out of the reported net profit of the event of $1.2 million.

So you've a fighter in DJ who brings in very little money for the UFC, very few eyeballs yet ends up making 25% of the total net profit on the event.

Reported net profit of $1.2m? That's only the gate, you didn't include PPV sales.
DJ may or may not have gotten PPV points on 115k buys.


Regardless, attributing all the sales to Conor is disingenuous.
He actual worth is the difference between PPVs with and without him. Which is maybe a million on his most recent events, which isn't as much as you are making out. And he definitely got a substantial share. Calling him underpaid is ridiculous tbh.

Mellor

TimRiggins wrote: »

That's no stumbling block whatsoever. All he has to do is go to the NSAC's doctor and get it cleared.

The NSAC specifically included a minimum suspension here. Have they said they're remove that? It's not like the generic "3 months unless cleared by doctor" suspensions.
He's out until Feb unless cleared. If he's cleared, he still has to serves the suspension until October.

Conor McGregor: Must have left foot/ankle fracture cleared by an orthopedic doctor or no contest until 02/17/17;
minimum suspension until 10/20/17,

TimRiggins

Mellor wrote: »

The NSAC specifically included a minimum suspension here. Have they said they're remove that? It's not like the generic "3 months unless cleared by doctor" suspensions.
He's out until Feb unless cleared. If he's cleared, he still has to serves the suspension until October.

And how are the NSAC going to police this? The medical suspension is nothing to do with Conor fighting/not fighting at MSG.

Outlaw Pete

https://twitter.com/bokamotoESPN/status/778767311905828864

Mellor

TimRiggins wrote: »

And how are the NSAC going to police this? The medical suspension is nothing to do with Conor fighting/not fighting at MSG.

It's pretty hard to police, as with all medical suspensions. As they've no way of knowing what he does behind closed doors. But it wouldn't be smart to blatantly flaunt it, either.
That said, he's not putting out much training videos lately, and October isn't far away.

Letree

I think back when Conor was to fight Dos Anjos for the LW title Dana and the UFC were behind offering Conor the change to be a two belt holder. He was taking fights regularly and not pulling out etc. There was goodwill there. But i get the feeling over the last while he has been pushing the UFC very hard and the relationship has soured. The goodwill has gone now so they aren't bothered about Conor getting the change to hold two belts. The UFC appear to be moving back towards legitimatising the belts. So now Khabib as No1 contender is getting the nod for the LWE title fight and Conor is being pushed back in the direction of defending his FW belt.

sonofenoch

Letree wrote: »

I think back when Conor was to fight Dos Anjos for the LW title Dana and the UFC were behind offering Conor the change to be a two belt holder. He was taking fights regularly and not pulling out etc. There was goodwill there. But i get the feeling over the last while he has been pushing the UFC very hard and the relationship has soured. The goodwill has gone now so they aren't bothered about Conor getting the change to hold two belts. The UFC appear to be moving back towards legitimatising the belts. So now Khabib as No1 contender is getting the nod for the LWE title fight and Conor is being pushed back in the direction of defending his FW belt.

So no change there then...what the hell are you talking about

Letree

sonofenoch wrote: »

So no change there then...what the hell are you talking about

200 fiasco, retiring, coming late to conferences, not wanting to promote, demanding things done his way, pushing to the brink for more money etc. He has fallen out with Dana. The goodwill is gone.

hatrickpatrick

Why are ye all assuming McGregor is to blame for this? The theory that Alvarez played hardball with his signature in the hopes of a bigger payout seems far more likely.

JustTheOne

Aldo rematch doesn't excite me.

Neither does Diaz.

What's left.

prizefighter

Some nonsense online that McGregor demanded $20m for the Alvarez fight...seems absurd.

Mellor

Letree wrote: »

202 fiasco, retiring, coming late to conferences, not wanting to promote, demanding things done his way, pushing to the brink for more money etc. He has fallen out with Dana. The goodwill is gone.

But he fought at 202. There was no pull out by Conor.
They made a lot more money by having him and Nate on their own card.

He fought 3 times in 2015. Jan, July, Dec
He is on course to fight 3 times this year also. Frequency hasn't changed.

He was booked to fight RDA because the timings made sense. The top 3 at LW were unavailable. Conor had just came through the quickest title fight in UFC history 4 weeks previous. It made sense.

Things have progressed now. It's been 9 months. Fighters are available in both divisions. Aldo and Khabib, respectively.
The timing is completely different now.

If Conor ends up fighting at 145 next, that doesn't mean the relationship has soured. It means that he is defending his belt. That's entirely normal. Not suspicious at all.

hatrickpatrick

UFC 205 press conference on Tuesday apparently, so we'll finally know if Conor is fighting or not

Letree

Mellor wrote: »

But he fought at 202. There was no pull out by Conor.
They made a lot more money by having him and Nate on their own card.

He fought 3 times in 2015. Jan, July, Dec
He is on course to fight 3 times this year also. Frequency hasn't changed.

He was booked to fight RDA because the timings made sense. The top 3 at LW were unavailable. Conor had just came through the quickest title fight in UFC history 4 weeks previous. It made sense.

Things have progressed now. It's been 9 months. Fighters are available in both divisions. Aldo and Khabib, respectively.
The timing is completely different now.

If Conor ends up fighting at 145 next, that doesn't mean the relationship has soured. It means that he is defending his belt. That's entirely normal. Not suspicious at all.

200 i meant

cletus

Mellor wrote: »

Won't it be on the same champion's contract whether it's Khabib or Conor?

What I mean is, Alverez is on a champions contract. I'd imagine that he has a set amount for show/win. There's obviously a little scope to increase that, or perhaps look for more on the ppv end of ings, but the only fight that Alverez can look for a million plus is the McGregor fight. I'm sure he looked at what Diaz made for the second fight, and figured as a champion he should be making at least as much.

If he fights Khabib, he's getting his $150,000 show/win money

Mellor

Letree wrote: »

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200 i meant

He didn't pull out if 200 though. He was moved to 202. Either way he would have fought twice do far with one more fight to come this year.

DeVore

If your pet monster grew so big it threatened you, you'd stop feeding it quite so much

Giving McGregor everything he wants just makes him even harder to negotiate with next time. In meta-game theory the best thing the UFC could do long term is bench McGregor and build other stars who don't cost as much because they risk every one of their top guys saying "I want McGregor money"... remember he's not just asking for more money, he's asking for a bigger percentage of the cake too.

On the flip side, I say more power to McGregor. Its him that is the draw, he deserves the pay. There is a saying in business, your don't get what you deserve, you get what you negotiate. But McGregor seems to be like Trump, such a huge personality that no one has the balls to say "what you are doing isn't the most efficient way to achieve the best end for you". The problem with brinkmanship is that at some point it becomes better for one party to walk away.

The Rooster

DeVore wrote: »

If your pet monster grew so big it threatened you, you'd stop feeding it quite so much

Or.... you'd feed it even more to make sure it didn't eat you!