Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). **Read warning in 1st post**

sonofenoch

Bigger than who? not Diaz for sure

RDA and Alvarez are put forward as being 'bigger' than McGregor for some reason.....he has a sizeable reach advantage on both and height wise there's nothing ....as for the 'beast' factor, he's just beat someone who was easily 180+ inside the octagon

DeVore

Diaz's biggest asset is his iron chin. Anyone lacking that has to consider staying away from his standup cos they are at risk of getting sparked.

StringerBell

Depp wrote: »

Love how a few weeks ago diaz was the best thing since sliced bread now hes only ''average''

Who said this?

Depp wrote: »

agree completely there, just funny how certain people on here ''word'' things when mcgregor is involved.

id rank eddie as a better fighter than diaz but diaz' main advantages over mcgregor were reach and his chin, neither of which alvarez has

Who are these certain people? At least have the balls to back up what you are claiming and name them instead of hiding behind generalisations.

In fact, who said Diaz was the best thing since sliced bread! He was, and is a bad match up for Conor, that doesn't change his entire career to that point. He is not a top 5 LW in my eyes, but it doesn't mean he is average either. He is a top 10 LW quite easily.

He is a worse match up then Alvarez for sure, and though you will get people who are going to pick the other guy no matter who McGregor is fighting plenty are capable of objective analysis. The bias cuts both ways, I get labelled a "hater" even though I have given credit to McGregor and would make him a strong favorite against Alvarez.

Tarring people with the same brush and deciding you are either column A or column B and nothing in between is not clever and unlikely to foster good discussion, I thought Conor would win the first Diaz fight given the lack of prep time Diaz had, plus Conor being a superior fighter overall. I was wrong, I didn't think he would be able to fight the kind of fight he fought in the second Diaz fight and get the win, I was wrong again. He was excellent and redeemed himself, I don't think Eddie makes it out of round 1 v Conor.

Going on my past Eddie will obviously win but I would be astounded, he simply ships too many punches and Conor is too accurate for him, he does not have Diaz chin and not too many will be able to take flush punches from McGregor at 155. His experience and scrappy nature could come in to play, he might be able to turn it into a wrestling match of sorts to avoid the stand up but I make Conor a heavy favourite.

I wandered off point here, but its been that kind of day sorry.

Depp

StringerBell wrote: »

Who said this?



Who are these certain people? At least have the balls to back up what you are claiming and name them instead of hiding behind generalisations.

In fact, who said Diaz was the best thing since sliced bread! He was, and is a bad match up for Conor, that doesn't change his entire career to that point. He is not a top 5 LW in my eyes, but it doesn't mean he is average either. He is a top 10 LW quite easily.

He is a worse match up then Alvarez for sure, and though you will get people who are going to pick the other guy no matter who McGregor is fighting plenty are capable of objective analysis. The bias cuts both ways, I get labelled a "hater" even though I have given credit to McGregor and would make him a strong favorite against Alvarez.

Tarring people with the same brush and deciding you are either column A or column B and nothing in between is not clever and unlikely to foster good discussion, I thought Conor would win the first Diaz fight given the lack of prep time Diaz had, plus Conor being a superior fighter overall. I was wrong, I didn't think he would be able to fight the kind of fight he fought in the second Diaz fight and get the win, I was wrong again. He was excellent and redeemed himself, I don't think Eddie makes it out of round 1 v Conor.

Going on my past Eddie will obviously win but I would be astounded, he simply ships too many punches and Conor is too accurate for him, he does not have Diaz chin and not too many will be able to take flush punches from McGregor at 155. His experience and scrappy nature could come in to play, he might be able to turn it into a wrestling match of sorts to avoid the stand up but I make Conor a heavy favourite.

I wandered off point here, but its been that kind of day sorry.

its literally mentioned two posts above mine its not that hard to find...was just making an observation on the trend of some mma comments when conor is involved, wasnt trying to call out anyone in particular!

Mellor

newbbieb wrote: »

Its justs a bit concerning that in his last fight with Diaz he said he weighed 167 in the cage and he still gassed at that weight,nearly all the LWs,definitely the top ones will weigh considerably more than 167 in the cage and they won't gas.

We don't know if that is true tbh.
It requires the assumption that he didn't cut any weight. Which I'm still not convinced of.
For a start, it contradicts the fact that;

Its well documented that the cuts he makes to 45 are tough, it seems a 150 pound division would be ideal for him.

It was always presented that he cuts to 145 from 165. And rehydrates back to that ball park. People always talk about his size advantage at FW.
But there's no way he put on only two pounds between 194 and 202. He was visibly bigger and in his own words had lost his abs.

I'm obviously not his nutritionist, so i've no idea what he actually weighed. But I'd be pretty sure that one of the above two claims is false. It could be either tbf, but due to the circumstances and the evidence for each. My gut tells me that his FW weight is the correct one.

wonderfullife

Mellor wrote: »

We don't know if that is true tbh.
It requires the assumption that he didn't cut any weight. Which I'm still not convinced of.
For a start, it contradicts the fact that;

It was always presented that he cuts to 145 from 165. And rehydrates back to that ball park. People always talk about his size advantage at FW.
But there's no way he put on only two pounds between 194 and 202. He was visibly bigger and in his own words had lost his abs.

I'm obvious not his nutritionist, so i've no idea what he actually weighed. But I'd be pretty sure that one of the above two claims is false. It could be either tbf, but due to the circumstances and the evidence for each. My gut tells me that his FW weight is the correct one.

Agree.

A lot of Conors detractors like to say he cuts a boat-load of weight as the reason he's the FW champion. It's something they like to say to belittle his achievements.

Is it true that he cuts a lot of weight? Yes! But i've seen some fighters and critics say he cuts from as high as 180lbs which is ridiculous!!


1. Most FW's cut from over 160lbs.
2. I'd be deeply suspicious of anybody claiming Conor walks around at 175+.

Put a side-by-side of UFC 194 and UFC 202.

There isn't a hope in hell Conor rehydrated to over 170lbs in the Aldo title fight. He was at best between 160-165lbs and i personally feel he was high 150's.

I really feel he's going to look really good weighing in at 155 and it won't be noticeable that he's cut much weight at all.

His cardio will be much better carrying less weight and muscle mass. A lot of his power relies on excellent timing of punches and efficient transfer of weight - so his power should remain in tact.

Mellor

wonderfullife wrote: »

A lot of Conors detractors like to say he cuts a boat-load of weight as the reason he's the FW champion. It's something they like to say to belittle his achievements.

Is it true that he cuts a lot of weight? Yes! But i've seen some fighters and critics say he cuts from as high as 180lbs which is ridiculous!!

He cuts what he can. Just like most other fighters.
The guys fighting undersized (Frankie, Gunni) in their respective division are the acceptations.
Anyone whose with an educated opinion understand that I'd guess.

1. Most FW's cut from over 160lbs.
2. I'd be deeply suspicious of anybody claiming Conor walks around at 175+.

"Walks around" is a vague term. To most it refers to their pre-cut, "normal" weight. Which is a indication of their cage weight.
The weight they balloon up to a la Hatton or Hendricks is meaningless in terms of cage weight.

There isn't a hope in hell Conor rehydrated to over 170lbs in the Aldo title fight. He was at best between 160-165lbs and i personally feel he was high 150's.

Who said anything about 170 in cage? That's a bit much imo.
On the other hand, high 150s contradicts the idea of a tough cut. 12-13 lbs isn't a tough cut.

Something in the 160s makes infinitely more sense than either of those options.

The issue is, there are very few facts, only lots of unreliable statements.
JK mentioned in the past about turned 145 into 165 post weighin.
Conor mentioned he was 170-72 (walkaround) to the mayor of Vegas during the world tour.
Conor said that he was 167 in cage for the fight with Nate.

It's would need a very odd set of circumstances for all three of those statements to be true.

wonderfullife

Mellor wrote: »

He cuts what he can. Just like most other fighters.
The guys fighting undersized (Frankie, Gunni) in their respective division are the acceptations.
Anyone whose with an educated opinion understand that I'd guess.


"Walks around" is a vague term. To most it refers to their pre-cut, "normal" weight. Which is a indication of their cage weight.
The weight they balloon up to a la Hatton or Hendricks is meaningless in terms of cage weight.


Who said anything about 170 in cage? That's a bit much imo.
On the other hand, high 150s contradicts the idea of a tough cut. 12-13 lbs isn't a tough cut.

Something in the 160s makes infinitely more sense than either of those options.

The issue is, there are very few facts, only lots of unreliable statements.
JK mentioned in the past about turned 145 into 165 post weighin.
Conor mentioned he was 170-72 (walkaround) to the mayor of Vegas during the world tour.
Conor said that he was 167 in cage for the fight with Nate.

It's would need a very odd set of circumstances for all three of those statements to be true.

There's a simple solution to the whole weight-debate. When they are Octagon-side getting the vaseline applied and gloves checked, they should be on a weighing scale.

So we'd have the official fight weight known (155lbs in this case) and then what weight Conor & Eddie are actually fighting at.

I'd say the reason the UFC don't want to do this is that it takes away the mystique for the casual MMA fan who doesn't have a notion about cutting weight. There's a fair 80% of casual MMA fans who believe Conor went from 145 flat to 170 flat to take on Nate. Whereas the reality is he just added a few pounds of muscle and was an under-sized welterweight.

A side-by-side of Conor and Gunni shows how under-sized Conor is for Welterweight, given Gunni himself is one of the smallest in the division and he's got a big size advantage on Conor.

Outlaw Pete

Not saying it is or anything, so don't eat me folks, just thinking out loud... but one thing I have wondered re: gassing out is if this Lockhart guy and what seems to be a paleo diet focused regime would have anything to do with it.

For many years I was on that diet myself for health reasons and found it beneficial in many ways but I also found my energy went through the floor after a month . Was out of breath much faster than normal etc but as I was still researching everything I could about the paleo diet I began to find a few cases where athletes were discussing their experiences with paleo and almost without fail their stories were the same, that initially they found it great for muscle definition etc but their cardio and energy really dipped.

Now I know here was there before the Aldo fight and all but we didn't see much of Conor in that fight and every time I see McGregor eating since that in the Mac Life or Embedded, it's protein based meals. I only once seen him eating carbs and that was one banana before 202 and so I wonder if there is too much focus on leanness and avoidance of carbohydrates overall.

In fact SBG seems to a paleo focused gym as they have a contract with some plaeo company to supply their food and JK has posted tweets such as the following:


https://twitter.com/John_Kavanagh/status/596351283759423488

If someone is avoiding carbs well that means they have to get their calories from fat, and interestingly, when Miesha was on with Rogan before 200 she was going on about how she was on a 'High fat diet' which is really just another way of saying the Plaeo diet, as Paleo has to be high fat, just like the Ketogenic diet (no carbs means you have to get your calories from fat).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-235hVyprc

tl;dr,

What I'm saying is... that's why Miesha lost at 200 and why Conor's been gassing out, a little...... maybe.

Nate has the right idea. Mostly raw vegan with some fish and eggs the odd time... and a little CBD oil to take the edge off.

Mellor

wonderfullife wrote: »

There's a simple solution to the whole weight-debate. When they are Octagon-side getting the vaseline applied and gloves checked, they should be on a weighing scale.

I'd say the reason the UFC don't want to do this is that it takes away the mystique for the casual MMA fan who doesn't have a notion about cutting weight.

Fightnight (vaseline, gloves, etc) is under athletic commission control. It would be trivial for them to get a weight right before the right, but I'd imagine it's more them that would rather not publicise gross size differences than the UFC.

I vague remember ring-weight being quoted in some boxing matches.

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

For many years I was on that diet myself for health reasons and found it beneficial in many ways but I also found my energy went through the floor after a month . Was out of breath much faster than normal etc but as I was still researching everything I could about the paleo diet I began to find a few cases where athletes were discussing their experiences with paleo and almost without fail their stories were the same, that initially they found it great for muscle definition etc but their cardio and energy really dipped.

Paleo doesn't need to be any different that any other "everything in moderation" diet. It'll only go wrong when people take it to a ridiculously extreme. Which is pretty common in fitness circles in the states, such as Crossfit, to get overzealous people you'll try and smash out intense workout eating only meat and fat. I'd guess that the stories you refer to above are something like that.

Carbs are good for high intensity work, no reason they can't eat carbs around intense sessions on paleo.
If they got leaner/ more definition on paleo, then they were not eating enough to fuel their activity.

If someone is avoiding carbs well that means they have to get their calories from fat, and interestingly, when Miesha was on with Rogan before 200 she was going on about how she was on a 'High fat diet' which is really just another way of saying the Plaeo diet, as Paleo has to be high fat, just like the Ketogenic diet (no carbs means you have to get your calories from fat).

Paleo isn't a low carb/keto diet though. Or rather doesn't need to be.
If that's how someone approached it (while training hard) they are doing it wrong imo.
I eat somewhat Paleo, although I never describe it as that I don't see the point using a label.

Mr. Manager

Just out of curiosity, where do people think Conor goes if he gets knocked out inside the first minute by Alvarez?

Go back to defend the belt once and move up permanently?
Go back to defend the belt and remain at 145?
Something else??

dashoonage

Mr. Manager wrote: »

Just out of curiosity, where do people think Conor goes if he gets knocked out inside the first minute by Alvarez?

Go back to defend the belt once and move up permanently?
Go back to defend the belt and remain at 145?
Something else??

Summerslam 2017.

Mellor

Mr. Manager wrote: »

Just out of curiosity, where do people think Conor goes if he gets knocked out inside the first minute by Alvarez?

Go back to defend the belt once and move up permanently?
Go back to defend the belt and remain at 145?
Something else??

Back to 145 for the foreseeable future imo.
If he forgets about 155 for a bit, and loses a little to make the 145 cut repeatable then there is some great matches.

1. Aldo rematch,
2. Max Holloway rematch,
3. Pettis
4. Frankie Edgar
5. Cruz superfight
6. New 2018 contender/Rematch with one of the above

hefferboi

The press conference for it will be unreal if this fight goes ahead. Alvarez has been talking sh1t about Conor every chance he got for the guts of a year without a peep out of McGregor. He's like a fcuking child looking for attention in the press and has got 0 reaction. I reckon Conor destroys him in the build up then destroys him on the night.

CurryFlavoured

Depp wrote: »

Love how a few weeks ago diaz was the best thing since sliced bread now hes only ''average''

Wrong, I always said that he was in that top 5-10 range. Very good fighter but he'll always lose comprehensively to the best in that division, RDA, Bendo, Thomson. I challenge you to run through my posts and find one where I said Diaz was elite, top of his division, top 3 etc. because I didn't.

newbbieb

Mellor wrote: »

We don't know if that is true tbh.
It requires the assumption that he didn't cut any weight. Which I'm still not convinced of.
For a start, it contradicts the fact that;

It was always presented that he cuts to 145 from 165. And rehydrates back to that ball park. People always talk about his size advantage at FW.
But there's no way he put on only two pounds between 194 and 202. He was visibly bigger and in his own words had lost his abs.

I'm obviously not his nutritionist, so i've no idea what he actually weighed. But I'd be pretty sure that one of the above two claims is false. It could be either tbf, but due to the circumstances and the evidence for each. My gut tells me that his FW weight is the correct one.

I know Conor likes to embellish and i'm sure he is prone to some lies here and there in the name of selling the fights etc. but he was pretty relaxed in the post fight presser and he said he weighed himself before he left the house for the fight and he was 167.

To believe he was lying here i think you have to believe in an altogether different level of deception from Conor,which i find hard to believe,but like you say its not fact but you have to be willing to believe Conor is going above and beyond to deceive about his weight to be talking like this post fight.

Mr. Manager

Mellor wrote: »

Back to 145 for the foreseeable future imo.
If he forgets about 155 for a bit, and loses a little to make the 145 cut repeatable then there is some great matches.

1. Aldo rematch,
2. Max Holloway rematch,
3. Pettis
4. Frankie Edgar
5. Cruz superfight
6. New 2018 contender/Rematch with one of the above

This is the one that appeals to me most

dashoonage

The secret to the 145lbs cut is out lads.....

http://www.paleomealdeliveries.ie/products/mcgregor-get-ripped-5-day-plan-breakfast-lunch-dinner

Awesomeness

wonderfullife wrote: »

Mellor wrote: »

He cuts what he can. Just like most other fighters.
The guys fighting undersized (Frankie, Gunni) in their respective division are the acceptations.
Anyone whose with an educated opinion understand that I'd guess.


"Walks around" is a vague term. To most it refers to their pre-cut, "normal" weight. Which is a indication of their cage weight.
The weight they balloon up to a la Hatton or Hendricks is meaningless in terms of cage weight.


Who said anything about 170 in cage? That's a bit much imo.
On the other hand, high 150s contradicts the idea of a tough cut. 12-13 lbs isn't a tough cut.

Something in the 160s makes infinitely more sense than either of those options.

The issue is, there are very few facts, only lots of unreliable statements.
JK mentioned in the past about turned 145 into 165 post weighin.
Conor mentioned he was 170-72 (walkaround) to the mayor of Vegas during the world tour.
Conor said that he was 167 in cage for the fight with Nate.

It's would need a very odd set of circumstances for all three of those statements to be true.

There's a simple solution to the whole weight-debate. When they are Octagon-side getting the vaseline applied and gloves checked, they should be on a weighing scale.

So we'd have the official fight weight known (155lbs in this case) and then what weight Conor & Eddie are actually fighting at.

I'd say the reason the UFC don't want to do this is that it takes away the mystique for the casual MMA fan who doesn't have a notion about cutting weight. There's a fair 80% of casual MMA fans who believe Conor went from 145 flat to 170 flat to take on Nate. Whereas the reality is he just added a few pounds of muscle and was an under-sized welterweight.

A side-by-side of Conor and Gunni shows how under-sized Conor is for Welterweight, given Gunni himself is one of the smallest in the division and he's got a big size advantage on Conor.

It doesn't happen because it would be incredibly dangerous. Fighters would still cut and then be getting in to the cage dehydrated which would lead to much worse brain trauma and injuries.

They have recently moved weigh ins forward to earlier in the day to give fighters MORE time to re hydrate to lessen the chances of this

newbbieb

Awesomeness wrote: »

It doesn't happen because it would be incredibly dangerous. Fighters would still cut and then be getting in to the cage dehydrated which would lead to much worse brain trauma and injuries.

They have recently moved weigh ins forward to earlier in the day to give fighters MORE time to re hydrate to lessen the chances of this

Think he just means weigh them for the record so we know what they weigh,like they do in boxing.

finglashoop

Awesomeness wrote: »

It doesn't happen because it would be incredibly dangerous. Fighters would still cut and then be getting in to the cage dehydrated which would lead to much worse brain trauma and injuries.

They have recently moved weigh ins forward to earlier in the day to give fighters MORE time to re hydrate to lessen the chances of this

Does the earlier weigh in benefit the fighter making the lesser cut?

Or would it benefit the fighter killing himself to make weight?

I would presume its the former but can see it from both sides.

newbbieb

finglashoop wrote: »

Does the earlier weigh in benefit the fighter making the lesser cut?

Or would it benefit the fighter killing himself to make weight?

I would presume its the former but can see it from both sides.

Benefits the fighter making the bigger cut because he has more time to rehydrate,i don't know how it could benefit the fighter making the lesser cut,its safer all around for the fighters but it just encourages even bigger weight cuts imo.

Letree

If mcgregor is to be fighting at 205 it really needs to be announced soon he must be pushing them hard over the pay.

finglashoop

newbbieb wrote: »

Benefits the fighter making the bigger cut because he has more time to rehydrate,i don't know how it could benefit the fighter making the lesser cut,its safer all around for the fighters but it just encourages even bigger weight cuts imo.

I would have thought the fighter making the lesser cut just recovers better but can see a bigger cut with more time is also beneficial, depending how hard the cut is would they fully recover?

Edit: I agree the longer time is better/ safer for all but will result in bigger cuts so is that putting them back to square one?

newbbieb

finglashoop wrote: »

I would have thought the fighter making the lesser cut just recovers better but can see a bigger cut with more time is also beneficial, depending how hard the cut is would they fully recover?

Edit: I agree the longer time is better/ safer for all but will result in bigger cuts so is that putting them back to square one?

Well if they had a bad cut more time can only be beneficial to their recovery.

Personally i would rather the old way because there was advantages for the fighters who don't make the big cuts like Frankie or Gunni not so much anymore as with an extra 6 or 8 hours whatever it is,guys making big cuts are gonna be well replenished,safer i guess but it means guys like Gunni will never see a title unless they do like everyone else.

Mellor

newbbieb wrote: »

I know Conor likes to embellish and i'm sure he is prone to some lies here and there in the name of selling the fights etc. but he was pretty relaxed in the post fight presser and he said he weighed himself before he left the house for the fight and he was 167.

To believe he was lying here i think you have to believe in an altogether different level of deception from Conor,which i find hard to believe,but like you say its not fact but you have to be willing to believe Conor is going above and beyond to deceive about his weight to be talking like this post fight.

I don't really considering there to be anything wrong with that deception tbh. He benefits him to downplay his weight. Same way Diaz's camp where talking about 200lbs+. It benefits them to exaggerate them.
It's fair game imo.

Here's what I was talking about;

https://twitter.com/john_kavanagh/status/556573889464401921
That was after the weigh-in with Siver. JK say he'd be 165lbs. It's hard to believe he was 165 vrs Siver, and only 167 vrs Nate.

When Sonnen claimed Connor was 172lbs 8 days out. Conor said he walks around at 172 lbs but not 8 days out.

When he met the Mayor of Vegas. He said he was about 170lbs.

After 202. He said he tried and wasn't able to get his weight past 168, even though he had put on a a bit of a fat belly.

As I said, I'm not his nutritionist, it's all speculation. I just find it hard to believe that all the above claims were accurate.

DrPhilG

markc91 wrote: »

Would tickets really start at $200? Would there be any chance of getting them?

Pretty sure the prices on that poster are pretty much what they were for UFC 200 and 202.

And no, you would have no chance of the $200s.

BOHtox

A lean 165lbs post-cut and a ~170 with no cut are surely completely different?

So Conor says he walks around at about 170. That doesn't mean his peak condition is at 170. It's probably a bit leaner than that. He wouldn't start his cut to 145 from that, first he'd lose some fat and weigh 160-165 before the cut, and try get back up to that as soon as he weighs in.

Against Diaz he tried to get the same leanness as he would have pre-cut to 145 but at 170 lbs which he found difficult. Was I reading he had a small weight cut this time around? So he could have been 175, a weight at which he really finds tough to be lean, and then did a small cut to 168lbs. In ring weight he was probably slightly heavier than 170.

Just adding my tuppence, a lot of you may disagree with it. As it has already been said both Diaz and McGregor were over/understating their true weight so it's how you read between the lines, so to speak. I imagine Nate was still considerably bigger than Conor in the ring.

newbbieb

Mellor wrote: »

I don't really considering there to be anything wrong with that deception tbh. He benefits him to downplay his weight. Same way Diaz's camp where talking about 200lbs+. It benefits them to exaggerate them.
It's fair game imo.

Here's what I was talking about;

https://twitter.com/john_kavanagh/status/556573889464401921
That was after the weigh-in with Siver. JK say he'd be 165lbs. It's hard to believe he was 165 vrs Siver, and only 167 vrs Nate.

When Sonnen claimed Connor was 172lbs 8 days out. Conor said he walks around at 172 lbs but not 8 days out.

When he met the Mayor of Vegas. He said he was about 170lbs.

After 202. He said he tried and wasn't able to get his weight past 168, even though he had put on a a bit of a fat belly.

As I said, I'm not his nutritionist, it's all speculation. I just find it hard to believe that all the above claims were accurate.

Yeah agree with most of what you're saying and it doesn't make a lot sense to me that he was 167 in the cage with Nate,i get there is some deception amongst them about weight mostly pre fight but the fight was over again he could be still playing the game who knows.

But if he was 175 or 178 or something and he is getting up at the presser and telling everyone he was only weighing 167 it just seems unbecoming of him.Its a bit like making excuses,its a bit petty and i just don't think its his style.

GerryDerpy

All this talk about weight going up and down like a yoyo makes me depressed that I can't shift a few pounds :-/