Official Conor McGregor thread (part 2). **Read warning in 1st post**

DrPhilG

rogieop wrote: »

Whats the gist of the tweets? in work here and no access to social media...

Somebody reported that Conor vs Alvarez is definitely off because one party wanted more cash.

Then suggested that it may have been Alvarez who couldn't agree terms rather than Conor.

McGregor tweeted "beg me".

Outlaw Pete

It wouldn't make sense that Alvarez looked for too much to fight McGregor but yet then agreed to fight Khabib... a fight which is likely to see him paid less anyway.

Or am I way off on the numbers there?

cletus

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

It wouldn't make sense that Alvarez looked for too much to fight McGregor but yet then agreed to fight Khabib... a fight which is likely to see him paid less anyway.

Or am I way off on the numbers there?

Your not off. If Alverez fights Khabib, it will be on whatever champions contract he has.

Most likely, when negotiating for McGregor, Alverez was looking for minimum what Diaz got, and possibly more as a champ sith a belt on the line

Mellor

cletus wrote: »

Your not off. If Alverez fights Khabib, it will be on whatever champions contract he has.

Most likely, when negotiating for McGregor, Alverez was looking for minimum what Diaz got, and possibly more as a champ sith a belt on the line

Won't it be on the same champion's contract whether it's Khabib or Conor?

Lukker-

Mellor wrote: »

cletus wrote: »

Your not off. If Alverez fights Khabib, it will be on whatever champions contract he has.

Most likely, when negotiating for McGregor, Alverez was looking for minimum what Diaz got, and possibly more as a champ sith a belt on the line

Won't it be on the same champion's contract whether it's Khabib or Conor?

Aldo got paid more show money thanhe usually did fighting McGregor. That's excluding PPVs.

Fighting for the McGregor belt always seems to be a separateb from the other fighters existing contract and have to be negotiated separately

bur

cletus wrote: »

Your not off. If Alverez fights Khabib, it will be on whatever champions contract he has.

Most likely, when negotiating for McGregor, Alverez was looking for minimum what Diaz got, and possibly more as a champ sith a belt on the line

More likely it's Conor wanting to keep his belt and looking for a bigger % of the PPV.

Alvarez agreed weeks ago i bet.

Mellor

Lukker- wrote: »

Aldo got paid more show money thanhe usually did fighting McGregor. That's excluding PPVs.

Fighting for the McGregor belt always seems to be a separateb from the other fighters existing contract and have to be negotiated separately

How would fighting McGregor be any different contractually though?

Each fight has a contract to be sign. Which includes the purse AFAIK. So fighters can try to renegotiate terms for any fight I'd say.
Joe Duffy and Iaquinta are two that spring to mind recently turning down fights.

Letree

bur wrote: »

More likely it's Conor wanting to keep his belt and looking for a bigger % of the PPV.

Alvarez agreed weeks ago i bet.

I'm getting a bit sick of McGregors greed. He is getting very well paid as is. He said before he expects more pay each time. He should be agreeing a contract for a number of fights and then honour it. That's generally the way business works.

StringerBell

rogieop wrote: »

Whats the gist of the tweets? in work here and no access to social media...

Alvarez earlier had called out McGregor

McGregor responded with a tweet saying beg me

Dana is asked to confirm or deny Alvarez v McGregor

Dana says the fight will be Khabib

Khabib tweeted after Dana saying Alvarez can't run, he will make it quick

The timeline of the tweets on the thread is a little skewed.

rob316

Letree wrote: »

I'm getting a bit sick of McGregors greed. He is getting very well paid as is. He said before he expects more pay each time. He should be agreeing a contract for a number of fights and then honour it. That's generally the way business works.

You can hardly blame him when he is smashing through 1.5 million buys on his last two fights.

hatrickpatrick

So when are we going to find out whether McGregor will be on 205 or not? This saga is getting old.

Ush1

Letree wrote: »

I'm getting a bit sick of McGregors greed. He is getting very well paid as is. He said before he expects more pay each time. He should be agreeing a contract for a number of fights and then honour it. That's generally the way business works.

Business truely works with supply and demand.

He's the number 1 draw, he sets the bar.

Outlaw Pete

Seems to me that a good slice of all this is the power struggle with McGregor and Dana.

There's clearly animosity there left over from 200 and but for the bottle throwing debacle the story of that last presser before 202 would have been that Dana called Conor out in front of the press (and viewing audience) saying that he needed to start respecting people's time.

Maybe the 'S**t was about to hit the fan' comment was a nod to all this in a way.

Will these new owners be willing to back Dana's calls as much as the Fertittas did though.

They have to recoup a lot of cash before they see a profit on their $4.2bn. The president not getting along with their main draw is somewhat of an issue it appears.

Mellor

Letree wrote: »

I'm getting a bit sick of McGregors greed. He is getting very well paid as is. He said before he expects more pay each time. He should be agreeing a contract for a number of fights and then honour it. That's generally the way business works.

The main contract ties him to the UFC for X number of fights. But each individual fight still requires a separate contract be signed. Same for everyone.

Besides, there's no info to suggest that it's Conor's negotiations holding it up. It's usually his opponents asking for more money.

mdwexford

Letree wrote: »

I'm getting a bit sick of McGregors greed. He is getting very well paid as is. He said before he expects more pay each time. He should be agreeing a contract for a number of fights and then honour it. That's generally the way business works.

He's a prize fighter, he's not working in McDonald's.

Milk the UFC for all you can while you're valuable, they'll be quick enough to cut you when you aren't.

Outlaw Pete

Mellor wrote: »

Besides, there's no info to suggest that it's Conor's negotiations holding it up. It's usually his opponents asking for more money.

Doesn't Dana's tweet last night make it appear is if something is going on McGregor's side though and not Alvarez's.

Not saying it's a money issue, but seems as if whatever the stumbling block is, it's not Eddie, otherwise wouldn't Dana just try and make another fight for Conor at 205... rather than another fight for Alvarez? (which appears to be the case right now).

John_D80

Letree wrote: »

I'm getting a bit sick of McGregors greed. He is getting very well paid as is. He said before he expects more pay each time. He should be agreeing a contract for a number of fights and then honour it. That's generally the way business works.

Greed? He's getting as much as he can while he still can from one of the historically greediest sporting promotions in the world. The UFC are screwing over their fighters left, right and centre.

More power to him.

Mellor

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Doesn't Dana's tweet last night make it appear is if something is going McGregor's side though and not Alvarez's.

Not saying it's a money issue, but seems as if whatever the stumbling block is, it's not Eddie, otherwise wouldn't Dana just try and make another fight for Conor at 205... rather than another fight for Alvarez?

Conor will get similar money (and PPVs in return) no matter who he matches with next.
A match with Khabib is worth less to Alvarez I'd guess

Outlaw Pete

Mellor wrote: »

Conor will get similar money (and PPVs in return) no matter who he matches with next.
A match with Khabib is worth less to Alvarez I'd guess

Wasn't saying anything about money there.

I'm saying that the fact that Dana suggested he was now going to arrange a fight for Eddie (v khabib) rather Conor vs someone else.... is telling is that whatever the issue is (be it money or something else) it's with McGregor and not Eddie.

I just feel if the stumbling block was Eddie's side, then Dana would be looking for someone else to fight Conor at 205.

Mellor

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Wasn't saying anything about money there.

I'm saying that the fact that Dana suggested he was now going to arrange a fight for Eddie (v khabib) rather Conor vs someone else.... is telling is that whatever the issue is (be it money or something else) it's with McGregor and not Eddie.

I just feel if the stumbling block was Eddie's side, then Dana would be looking for someone else to fight Conor at 205 not Eddie.

Conor is banned by the commission until October minimum, can't be shortened.
I always felt he was doubtful for 205 anyway. Makes more sense to have him on carrying 206. MGM will do fine without. 297 will be the New Year's card. Which is usually big too.

prizefighter

Outlaw Pete wrote: »

Mellor wrote: »

Conor will get similar money (and PPVs in return) no matter who he matches with next.
A match with Khabib is worth less to Alvarez I'd guess

Wasn't saying anything about money there.

I'm saying that the fact that Dana suggested he was now going to arrange a fight for Eddie (v khabib) rather Conor vs someone else.... is telling is that whatever the issue is (be it money or something else) it's with McGregor and not Eddie.

I just feel if the stumbling block was Eddie's side, then Dana would be looking for someone else to fight Conor at 205.

Could just as easily by White taking the big McGregor payday off the table and showing Alvarez a Khabib purse to kick some sense into him? If every fighter demands a Nate Diaz purse for their fight against McG you can see how that counteracts the biggest draw in the UFC's overall financial attraction. The payout for a McG or Khabib title defense would be night and day.

Depp

Useful.Idiot wrote: »

I don't get why people are so disappointed in his performance in that fight. He absolutely dominated from start to finish.

to be fair he looked average against horcher, had difficulty taking him down at first and horcher got the better of him standing, that on its own wouldnt be too damning but when you take into account horcher was a part timer who was called in at short notice from working in a factory it looks pretty bad, were khabib to face his original opponent ferguson he would have been completely butchered

prizefighter wrote: »

Could just as easily by White taking the big McGregor payday off the table and showing Alvarez a Khabib purse to kick some sense into him? If every fighter demands a Nate Diaz purse for their fight against McG you can see how that counteracts the biggest draw in the UFC's overall financial attraction. The payout for a McG or Khabib title defense would be night and day.

aye thats what it seems more like to me aswel, said a few pages back that was the risk if eddie played hard ball they could pull the mcgregor fight from him and put him on a fox card, which seems to be happening

wonderfullife

Letree wrote: »

I'm getting a bit sick of McGregors greed. He is getting very well paid as is. He said before he expects more pay each time. He should be agreeing a contract for a number of fights and then honour it. That's generally the way business works.

Conor McGregor is, arguably, the most underpaid athlete on the entire UFC roster.

Yes, underpaid.

Ok, he got a disclosed $3 million plus PPV points in his last fight. And some fighters at the bottom of the UFC roster get $10,000 to show.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2663848-conor-mcgregor-is-the-biggest-draw-in-ufc-history

The above is an EXCELLENT article that goes into huge depth on how big a draw McGregor is.

5.3million PPV's in his last 4 fights is a gross of $300 million. Gross income for the UFC. In those 4 fights Conor had disclosed purses of $3 million, $1 million, $500,000 (x2).

That's $5 million disclosed. If we assume that his PPV points are $5 (as widely reported) then add another $26.5 million on to those 4 fights.

The Gate Receipts for those 4 fights were $32,910,753.

That's $31.5 million against a gross revenue he brought in of $332.9 million.

The UFC is traditionally accepted to make around 60% in profit of the PPV gross, after they factor in marketing, production, fight pay etc etc.

We can't be certain, it could be higher or lower, but it's a fair ball-park.

So McGregor for 189/194/196/202 was paid $31.5 million out of a net profit he made the UFC of €199.7 million.

Compare that to Might Mouse and UFC 191.

Demetrious got $191,000 by defeating Dodson. The Gate was $1.3 million. PPV buys were 115,000. His PPV points were reported to be $3 but i'm not sure how much he made out of the tiered system. Let's assume it was $1 for the bottom tier.

That's $300,000 out of the reported net profit of the event of $1.2 million.

So you've a fighter in DJ who brings in very little money for the UFC, very few eyeballs yet ends up making 25% of the total net profit on the event.

Conor McGregor brings in an absolute fortune, not to mention new eyeballs which then go on to watch other UFC events, yet only gets paid 16% of the net profit of his events.


tl;dr

McGregor is the most underpaid star in the sport. By far. Relative to what he brings to the table, his disclosed pay and PPV points by no way are at the level they should be.

Useful.Idiot

Depp wrote: »

were khabib to face his original opponent ferguson he would have been completely butchered

Hmmmm I wouldn't be so sure. Obviously Khabib's striking is a bit wild and isn't really his strong point but Horcher never had him in any kind of trouble for that first minute or two. Horcher had a pretty solid record including some Bellator fights so him at least holding his own in the standup isn't massively surprising. Ring rust played a part for Khabib I'm sure also.

And sure Tony nearly got knocked out in his own short notice fight against a nobody recently! It's a shame that original match-up never came to fruition.

JJayoo

"5.3million PPV's in his last 4 fights is a gross of $300 million. Gross income for the UFC. "

So every single PPV was due to McG.....

joshrogan

https://twitter.com/bokamotoESPN/status/778597846903689216

Depp

Useful.Idiot wrote: »

Hmmmm I wouldn't be so sure. Obviously Khabib's striking is a bit wild and isn't really his strong point but Horcher never had him in any kind of trouble for that first minute or two. Horcher had a pretty solid record including some Bellator fights so him at least holding his own in the standup isn't massively surprising. Ring rust played a part for Khabib I'm sure also.

And sure Tony nearly got knocked out in his own short notice fight against a nobody recently! It's a shame that original match-up never came to fruition.

really is, was hyped for that fight, wasnt always convinced by tony but with his grappling pedigree i dont see khabib ragdolling himlike he did with rda

DrPhilG

Rumours that Weidman is out of 205.

joshrogan

DrPhilG wrote: »

Rumours that Weidman is out of 205.

yea it's crazy to be honest

https://twitter.com/arielhelwani/status/778619737123201026

Paully D

Of course Alvarez wants to fight Conor. When you see what others are making, Eddie is vastly overpaid on his current $150,000 a fight deal and IMO hasn't looked at all impressive in the UFC apart from the dos Anjos fight, with 2 split decisions wins against fighters on multiple fight losing streaks and a loss.

I know he beat dos Anjos but out of the UFC's rankings, I genuinely don't think he'd beat any of their top 5 fighters (obviously excluding the aforementioned) - Khabib, Ferguson, Diaz, Barboza, Cowboy. He will never get an opportunity like this again, I still can't actually fathom how he has ended up with the belt, and he would obviously milk a potential McGregor fight for all it's worth.

None of us know for sure, but I feel there's 2 very realistic possibilities:

1) McGregor won't give up the 145 title which Dana wants him to do and there's a power stand off with Dana trying to win out by threatening to give the 155 shot to someone else

2) Alvarez is going too far with his demands

You could say Conor might be going too far with his demands but I think this would be very straightforward to sort out as the UFC clearly know what be brings to the table.

Anyway, it'd be cool to see McGregor on the 205 card but after how much the Diaz camp, build up and subsequent fight must have taken out of him all things considered (along with the injury) I wouldn't be averse at all to seeing him take a bit more time off. New York would be very, very rushed.