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Padraig Nally is attacked again!

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    #182
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,998 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Respect for life you say? What about all lives turned into a living hell by frog ward? He had been convicted...80 fcuking times...presumably only tip of the iceberg of a life of scumbaggery and crime that brought misery to probably hundreds of lives...I respect the right of a community not to live in fear of a violent criminal scumbag. Nallys actions served the greater good.
    the murdering actions of nally who is a danger to society and who should be in a secure facility where he can't be a danger did not serve the "greater good" but the satisfaction of those who have a hatred of travelers and other minority groups

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #183
    SeanW
    Registered Users Posts: 8,782 ✭✭✭SeanW


    end of the road wrote: »
    the murdering actions of nally who is a danger to society and who should be in a secure facility where he can't be a danger did not serve the "greater good" but the satisfaction of those who have a hatred of travelers and other minority groups
    People don't despise Martin Ward because he was a traveller, but because he was a career criminal with 80+ convictions and likely way more than that in crimes he got away with.


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    #184
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,998 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    SeanW wrote: »
    He already had been arrested and convicted of crimes. 80 times ... EIGHTY TIMES.

    It didn't work. If Nally hadn't killed him, its safe to say he'd have had many more convictions by now, and that his son would have taken over the family business, assuming he hasn't done so anyway.

    meaning nally's murdering actions have no legitimacy. glad you agree.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #185
    RobYourBuilder
    Registered Users Posts: 1,541 ✭✭✭RobYourBuilder


    Sociopath2 wrote: »
    It's like debating with a four year old. Even when cold hard facts are put in front of you you'll just say "no its not".

    "Rabel rabel".


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    #186
    end of the road
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    Wibbs wrote: »
    He had been previously convicted eighty times and likely arrested as many if not more times and those were convictions for which he was caught. And it didn't stop him. Some individuals are quite simply irredeemable. The justice system failed. It failed Nally and others like him and it even failed Ward and others like him. If the justice system in this country had worked Ward would still be alive, if kept away from normal society. The justice system in this country is failing and has been for too long a time. Nigh on every week yet another criminal comes before the courts with ever more significant crimes on top of many previous convictions. It's become farcical at this stage.
    yeah, and nally getting away with murder proves that. his actions after he took the first shot have no legitimacy and he should be in a secure facility as chances are he would do it again. thankfully he can't own a gun now so at least he's less of a danger but still its not enough

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #187
    end of the road
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    RobYourBuilder wrote: »
    Attempted burglary does not warrant a death sentence, nor is there any provision for such a sentence in Irish law. Any citizen is lawfully entitled to kill an aggressor, if killing him is reasonable in the circumstances. As determined by a jury who have considered all the facts of the case.

    Such a killing is not a death sentence; it is a justifiable homicide.
    yeah, if the person dies after the first shot. if the person follows someone off the property to "finish the job" out of revenge, that is not justifiable at all.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #188
    Sociopath2
    Registered Users Posts: 242 ✭✭Sociopath2


    end of the road wrote: »
    meaning nally's murdering actions have no legitimacy. glad you agree.

    They did have legitimacy, the courts have affirmed that. So his justifiable homicide actions were perfectly entitled to be taken.

    Nally is a man without a criminal record that has the support of the vast majority of the country.

    A career criminal with 80+ convictions is dead, justifiably according to the state and won't be missed.

    You can stamp your feet and throw your toys out of the pram but that won't change.

    You've become amusing at this stage, please continue.


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    #189
    end of the road
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    suicide_circus wrote: »
    Ward died due to his own criminal actions as was determined by the jury who acquitted nally.

    ward died due to being murdered out of revenge by a dangerous out of control individual who got off due to the sympathy vote. the jury allowed a dangerous individual back into society which means questions should have been asked

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #190
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 19,012 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    SeanW wrote: »
    The legal process that cleared Nally of all wrongdoing did not take "Frog"s convictions into account.

    Ward went there for no reason other than to rob Nally, with his son to help him commit the robbery. After taking the first shot, Nally continued to feel threatened, so he fired again. End of story. According to the law at least ... whatever about the Left.

    :rolleyes:

    FFS, can we please dispense with horseshite?

    There are plenty of people on the "left" who are in absolute agreement with Mr. Nally's actions.


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    #191
    end of the road
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    bjork wrote: »
    Padraig Nally should have been given a medal and his gun back.
    no, he shouldn't. and thankfully he hasn't and hopefully never will get either.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #192
    Tony EH
    Registered Users Posts: 19,012 ✭✭✭✭Tony EH


    floggg wrote: »
    That includes circumstances where they stop to reload and finish you off if you try to escape?

    I asked you before. You may have missed it. But, do you seriously believe that a man like "Frog" Ward, given his history of serious crime, would simply let that incident go?

    Bear in mind that this is a man who had invaded Nally's property on numerous occasions.


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    #193
    floggg
    Registered Users Posts: 5,820 ✭✭✭floggg


    Sociopath2 wrote: »
    Nally was in prison and had gardai watching out for him afterwards. He was attacked outside a mart in Tuam by travellers after he was released.

    On the day itself I'd imagine he was solely concerned with eliminating the immediate threat.

    Never heard anything about the attack.

    I still don't understand the argument that killing him in any way reduced the risk of revenge attacks. It was only ever likely to increase it - unless you try to argue he knew he would be arrested and jailed for it and so harder to reach (though that would undermine any the argument that it was self defence).


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    #194
    end of the road
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    NotCominBack wrote: »
    At the end of the day man is entitled to defend himself in his own home if under threat. If unlucky enough for this to happen twice then he should be allowed to defend himself twice, especially when on a remote farm.

    he didn't "defend" himself. he shot a man who had left his property out of revenge to "finish the job" . no way should he be able to do this twice,
    NotCominBack wrote: »
    Give the man back his gun

    absolutely not. he is to much of a danger. he can't be trusted with a gun and must be kept well away from one.
    NotCominBack wrote: »
    he has indicated nothing other than he just wants to be left alone and minds his own business

    well, he shouldn't have murdered someone in cold blood then. had he left it after the first shot, he'd have been fine. but "finishing the job" which is what he did, means he should get nothing, and should have been locked up.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #195
    floggg
    Registered Users Posts: 5,820 ✭✭✭floggg


    Tony EH wrote: »
    I asked you before. You may have missed it. But, do you seriously believe that a man like "Frog" Ward, given his history of serious crime, would simply let that incident go?

    Bear in mind that this is a man who had invaded Nally's property on numerous occasions.

    If the argument was that he'd bring his family back for revenge, then wouldn't the family also want revenge for killing him?


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    #196
    jimgoose
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    floggg wrote: »
    If the argument was that he'd bring his family back for revenge, then wouldn't the family also want revenge for killing him?

    I expect so. They didn't come for it, after observing and no doubt taking copious notes.


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    #197
    Sofiztikated
    Registered Users Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    end of the road wrote: »
    the man was murdered after he left the property. shot first, but that wasn't enough for nally who decided to finish the job, murdering him in cold blood once he had gone off the property. the only reason he has a lot of sympathy is because the man he murdered was a traveler

    He has sympathy because he shot (twice and killed) a man that had harassed him in his own home for weeks, had 80 previous convictions for violent crimes, and encroached on his property with intent to burglarise (and possible inflict bodily harm.)

    The fact that he was a traveler has no bearing on the matter. If Ward had been a violent criminal from a wealthy white Protestant background, or a violent criminal from an inner city Muslim background, or a violent criminal from an atheist Chinese background, you might find that similar reactions would be evoked.


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    #198
    jimgoose
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    Sofiztikated wrote: »
    He has sympathy because he shot (twice and killed) a man that had harassed him in his own home for weeks, had 80 previous convictions for violent crimes, and encroached on his property with intent to burglarise (and possible inflict bodily harm.)

    The fact that he was a traveler has no bearing on the matter. If Ward had been a violent criminal from a wealthy white Protestant background, or a violent criminal from an inner city Muslim background, or a violent criminal from an atheist Chinese background, you might find that similar reactions would be evoked.

    Correct. Justice as dispensed reflects society's view of the matter, as it is supposed to.


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    #199
    h2005
    Registered Users Posts: 1,384 ✭✭✭h2005


    end of the road wrote: »
    no, he shouldn't. he shot a man and then when the man tried leaving he went and finished the job. he's a murdering animal who should have been locked up indefinitely

    Prior to the shooting incident what was this "murdering animals" criminal record like?


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    #200
    jmayo
    Registered Users Posts: 13,147 ✭✭✭✭jmayo


    Boring username wrote: »
    ...

    Aodhán Ó Riordáin thinks the move would be “one of the greatest things we can do to finally celebrate and acknowledge the rich and vibrant culture that the Traveller community have in Ireland”.

    I didn't know fighting at weddings and funerals with pick axe handles and slash hooks, settling family feuds with bare knuckle boxing, beating up boxers unwilling to parttake in it, and robbiing old people was something to celebrate. :rolleyes:
    end of the road wrote: »
    no, he didn't have to murder him in cold blood. nally is a ferrel wild dangerous animal who should still be locked up in a secure facility

    I don't know if you do it on purpose or not, but you sure do like to practice being a really irritating spanner.
    end of the road wrote: »
    the state isn't in agreement with anything. he got cleared out of sympathy, as not doing so would have caused reputation problems for the courts and the state because of peoples dislike of travelers or other minority groups. it is clear nally is a dangerous individual hence he thankfully hasn't been allowed a gun since.

    How is he dangerous ?
    Had he ever harmed anyone before that incident ?
    Has he ever harmed anyone since that incideent ?

    BTW why not read up on the all the old people living alone who were terrorised, beaten, tortured and some left to die lonely deaths.
    Tommy Casey was left to die in Oranmore in 1996.
    His killer got 6 years, 6 fooking years and they could have saved him by telling the gaurds how they ha dleft him.
    He even got part of it suspended.

    Eddie Fitzmaurice was beaten, tied up and left to die in his home in Charlestown in 1998.
    No one has ever been brought to justice for his death.

    If lickspittles like you had their way Padriag Nally would just be another statistic on that list.

    And before you say anything.
    I am not saying all of that above is travellers, but it is linked to the same type of people as frog ward.
    The type of people who have absolutely zero respect for their fellow man and who believe the laws of the land are not for them.
    The 80 convictions that ward had racked up appears to tell the tale that he actually was above the law of the land, a justice system and laws that would normally throw others in jail for the lesser crimes of contemn of court or non payment of fines.


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    #201
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,998 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    Tzar Chasm wrote: »
    The main point raised in nallys defence is that ward was not neutralised, he was making his way back to his van, had he made it you could be damm sure him and his clan would have returned to kill nally.

    no proof of it. ward wasn't a threat once he was shot the first time.
    Tzar Chasm wrote: »
    nally acted in self defence

    he didn't. he murdered a man in cold blood out of revenge and only gets sympathy because the man shot was a traveler.
    Tzar Chasm wrote: »
    allowing ward to leave or waiting for the gardai were not viable options.

    they were.
    Tzar Chasm wrote: »
    If he had left frog alive on the road how long would it have taken for him to regain his composure and convince his son to disarm nally and even the score

    doesn't matter. nally was wrong and should be in a secure unit away from society as he is to dangerous to be free.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #202
    Tony EH
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    floggg wrote: »
    If the argument was that he'd bring his family back for revenge, then wouldn't the family also want revenge for killing him?

    I doubt they would take the chance after such police involvement and a high profile case, wouldn't you?

    However, if Ward escaped and came back the next night (or whenever) with a load of cohorts and killed Nally, the chances of them getting away with it would be much higher.


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    #203
    Sociopath2
    Registered Users Posts: 242 ✭✭Sociopath2


    floggg wrote: »
    Never heard anything about the attack.

    I still don't understand the argument that killing him in any way reduced the risk of revenge attacks. It was only ever likely to increase it - unless you try to argue he knew he would be arrested and jailed for it and so harder to reach (though that would undermine any the argument that it was self defence).

    I understand your argument but what you're missing is that it was put forward that he was afraid of Ward returning immediately with a weapon or other people. This is understandable as Ward did have his son with him and Nally had no idea how many more were nearby.

    I doubt revenge attacks months down the line were on his mind.


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    #204
    end of the road
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    FTA69 wrote: »
    I think the main reason Nally got a custodial sentence was the manner in which he killed Ward. The fact he critically wounded him, beat him around the head with a stick and then reloaded his gun, shot him dead, dumped his body over a wall and then went out to tell the son his father "won't be coming back" stretched beyond typical 'self-defence.'

    exactly. the man is a nut. a clear danger.
    FTA69 wrote: »
    That having been said, it's very easy to judge an elderly man who had been terrorised in his own home by either Ward, or at the very least, people like Ward.

    come off it. he knew exactly what he was doing
    FTA69 wrote: »
    Anyone who thinks Ward was at that house for anything other than purposes dodgy is only deluding themselves.

    nobody said otherwise. however saying that poor nally was only defending himself and didn't know exactly what he was doing are also deluding themselves.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #205
    Sofiztikated
    Registered Users Posts: 6,995 ✭✭✭Sofiztikated


    Question for the class.

    How long does it take for a person defined as a "settled traveler" to become "another Joe Soap?" 2 generations? 3? Ever?


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    #206
    end of the road
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    bjork wrote: »
    acquitted of murder
    acquitted of manslaughter
    in the courts

    got away with it out of sympathy by a sympathetic jury
    bjork wrote: »
    still guilty in the eyes of some

    absolutely. this was no self defence. this was simple cold blooded murder spauned by revenge

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #207
    Valetta
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,611 ✭✭✭Valetta


    end of the road wrote: »
    meaning nally's murdering actions have no legitimacy. glad you agree.

    He didn't commit murder


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    #208
    end of the road
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    SeanW wrote: »
    P. Nally was acquitted of all crimes.
    yes, he got sympathy and got lucky. he's still a dangerous individual though. he wouldn't be the first dangerous individual to be acquited and won't be the last.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #209
    Terrlock
    Registered Users Posts: 686 ✭✭✭Terrlock


    Ward was killed due to the failure of the State to protect it's people.

    He was convicted 80 times, he should never have been allowed out in public. The state is far to lax on sentences here and we don't do anything to try an rehabilitate in Ireland. We don't have an efficient run prison system at all.

    I do Not Judge McNally for the way he killed ward. Yes he reloaded his gun and shot him in the back...this might sound extreme, but I'm sure if anyone else is in that situation, where you have been terrorized and your are full of fear, you know that his guy will be coming back to kill you. considering what his emotional state was what else could he have done? Baked them some cakes and cookies?

    Unfortunately we live in a state where the Law is on the side of the criminals, when that happens it's no wonder that some people have to take the law into the own hands.

    Your more likely to get done for not paying a TV license then robbing and terrorizing the elderly.


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    #210
    end of the road
    Registered Users Posts: 28,998 ✭✭✭✭end of the road


    bjork wrote: »
    He was acquitted. He was within the law.
    he got sympathy and got away with it. the very same as other dangerous individuals getting short sentences.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #211
    Sheep Lover
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭Sheep Lover


    Sofiztikated wrote: »
    Question for the class.

    How long does it take for a person defined as a "settled traveler" to become "another Joe Soap?" 2 generations? 3? Ever?

    When they stop conforming to the stereotypical manner of a traveller?


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