National Hunt 14/15 thread

Gringo180

Huntley wrote: »

Is Silviniaco Conti being a slow horse the chic contemporary view now for certain horse enthusiasts? I don't recall hearing much of it last year but even his trainer is following suit now.

Don't buy that myself I think he could easily drop back down to 2m 4f and win a grade 1. He's a top class horse who wasn't beaten far by Menorah (who won the supreme that year) over 2 miles and giving him weight also.

NaiveMelodies

Huntley wrote: »

Is Silviniaco Conti being a slow horse the chic contemporary view now for certain horse enthusiasts? I don't recall hearing much of it last year but even his trainer is following suit now.

Ha fair shout. There's a lot of very good 'slow' horses out there as of late.

NaiveMelodies

What grade one is Don Cossack picking up this year lads?
Blinkers firmly back on for me after losing them last season.

nightpark

Should have a great chance in the John Durkan

nightpark

Anyone see the tullow tank today. Does he have a habit of jumping right handed?

NaiveMelodies

nightpark wrote: »

Should have a great chance in the John Durkan

Thought Elliott said Lexus or King George next.. could be wrong though!

Huntley

NaiveMelodies wrote: »

Ha fair shout. There's a lot of very good 'slow' horses out there as of late.

He's not slow at all is my point. He is one of the few horses who has shown a consistent ability to somewhat match Cue Card for speed and not be blown away. (SC has his number if they both make the betfair btw) I was surprised to hear Nicholls say he is slow but he did judge the horses ability wrong before.

Shemale

Silviniaco isn't a slow horse, just very difficult to work out.

My own view is 3 miles is about his limit, he seems to get away with it in the softer races or on flat tracks but in tough races on galloping tracks he runs out of juice.

The King George and Ryanair are right up his street.

Cue Card didn't look like he was out of his box before today, shocking, he looked done for 5 fences out.

NaiveMelodies

Huntley wrote: »

He's not slow at all is my point. He is one of the few horses who has shown a consistent ability to somewhat match Cue Card for speed and not be blown away. (SC has his number if they both make the betfair btw) I was surprised to hear Nicholls say he is slow but he did judge the horses ability wrong before.

I know. Fair shout regarding the misuse of the term 'slow' is what I meant.

Shemale

Huntley wrote: »

(SC has his number if they both make the betfair btw)

I think Cue Card is a better than Silvi and would beat him in the Betfair, I would hope for the horse that he has someone better than Jacob on his back, that is a handicap in itself.

Other jockeys must have surely been in touch with Colin volunteering when Joe retired.

jimjamcos

Huntley wrote: »

He's not slow at all is my point. He is one of the few horses who has shown a consistent ability to somewhat match Cue Card for speed and not be blown away. (SC has his number if they both make the betfair btw) I was surprised to hear Nicholls say he is slow but he did judge the horses ability wrong before.

Don't think Nicholls necessarily said he was slow, just that he didn't have a turn of foot like Menorah et al. Said he needs a proper gallop which would make sense as he travels well.

Itsabrack

NaiveMelodies wrote: »

Thought Elliott said Lexus or King George next.. could be wrong though!

Yeah, definitely no where before Christmas, Lexus or King George

Itsabrack

Maybe Silviniaco has peaked out like a lot of these French horses, look at Long Run?

Huntley

Shemale wrote: »

I think Cue Card is a better than Silvi and would beat him in the Betfair, I would hope for the horse that he has someone better than Jacob on his back, that is a handicap in itself.

I think Cue Card showed his hand last year when he won the Betfair, he won't get that tactical leeway again provided there is a horse good enough to disrupt him. (I went into detail about it last year prior to the King George
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=88126586 ) Barring a decline in ability there is no reason why SC wouldn't adopt the same successful tactics as last time, and if/when he does, I see no reason why CC should overturn that form.

supremenovice

Has Paul Nicholls laid his plan out for Irving?
Also I notice no mention of Arvika Legionnaire in WPMs stable tour. Is he injured?

Mountainlad

supremenovice wrote: »

Has Paul Nicholls laid his plan out for Irving?
Also I notice no mention of Arvika Legionnaire in WPMs stable tour. Is he injured?

http://www.course-specialist.co.uk/blogs/arvika-ligeonniere-suffers-career-threatening-injury/

paddy no 11

Arvika is retired injured, there was some gripe about one of the courses when it happened iirc

D'oh

posturingpat

Latest rumour is there's going to be an investigation into claims the Charlie Hall at the weekend was run over 23.53 furlongs & not the published 25f. Actually makes a bit of sense when you think about it with Silvinaco and Taquin de Seuil getting badly outpaced and Menorah staying the trip so well.

Itsabrack

posturingpat wrote: »

Latest rumour is there's going to be an investigation into claims the Charlie Hall at the weekend was run over 23.53 furlongs & not the published 25f. Actually makes a bit of sense when you think about it with Silvinaco and Taquin de Seuil getting badly outpaced and Menorah staying the trip so well.

You would wonder why someone wouldnt just get in a car a check the distance?

Shemale

Huntley wrote: »

I think Cue Card showed his hand last year when he won the Betfair, he won't get that tactical leeway again provided there is a horse good enough to disrupt him. (I went into detail about it last year prior to the King George

(Snip - cant post links)

Barring a decline in ability there is no reason why SC wouldn't adopt the same successful tactics as last time, and if/when he does, I see no reason why CC should overturn that form.

Good write up, I agree with most of it and would say Cue Card can also struggle when he has company in front.

Its hard to know the line up of the race this far out but I think Haydock with strong opposition like Cue Card is a negative for Conti as I am not convinced he gets a very competitive 3 miles on a galloping track.

In relation to Boxing Day last year was an odd race, the flat course is right up Silvis street and the guaranteed company up front plays against Cue Card. Cue Cards run looked very unusual in the straight, he looked like dotting up, Joe was looking behind him and I think he missed his stride and/or didnt seem to notice Conti ranging up as he simply slipped by without Joe reacting. Conti pulled away a bit towards the line but it was an odd ride by Joe if he wasnt emptying and I thought he looked full of running.

Andalucia

I don't see Silviniaco Conti winning a Grade 1 again

his re-appearance run was shocking, there is no denying the disappointing run even allowing for him needing the run and with the penalty, just looked to me as if he has his best running done

Wouldn't be the first French bred to go down this route, Irish/UK breds have historically more longevity in them

Cue Card wasn't much better Tuesday, I fear that the injury he incurred last year has had a much greater impact than expected, the 6 lengths he was beaten last year blossomed to 15 this year under much the same terms - be interesting to see how he goes next day out, but would expect Dynaste to have his measure in the Betfair, whether that is good enough to win is another matter

Itsabrack

I think the key to this year could be last years RSA, I know O Faolains Boy is out but there was a few horses behind him, like Smad Place that will improve again. The RSA is always a good pointer and there doesn't seem to be no standout chaser from last years Gold Cup. I would be looking to last years novice ranks or horses that are back after missing a year after novice year, to show improvement. Now the next question is which one?

Black_Ninja

The Moose is back!!!

British racing can look forward to welcoming back one of its most enigmatic dual-purpose performers after reluctant starter Mad Moose was on Thursday cleared to return to the track.

Although the ten-year-old was banned indefinitely from the sport in January, trainer Nigel Twiston-Davies took advantage of the BHA disciplinary panel intimating it would be prepared to review the matter after nine months when successfully applying for the order to be lifted.

http://www.racingpost.com/news/live.sd?event_id=4521924&category=0

Gringo180

posturingpat wrote: »

Latest rumour is there's going to be an investigation into claims the Charlie Hall at the weekend was run over 23.53 furlongs & not the published 25f. Actually makes a bit of sense when you think about it with Silvinaco and Taquin de Seuil getting badly outpaced and Menorah staying the trip so well.

Thats a farce I backed Taquin :mad:

posturingpat

Not as big a farce as The Young Master winning the Badger alse chase at Wincanton yesterday despite not being eligible for the race.

NaiveMelodies

What line up are we expecting in the Morgiana?

skippymac6

NaiveMelodies wrote: »

What line up are we expecting in the Morgiana?

1. Darwins Fox
2. Faugheen
3. Hurricane Fly
4. Jetson
5. Jezki
6. King of the Picts
7. Monksland
8. More of That
9. Pittoni
10. Zaidpour
11. Tiger Roll
12. Annie Power
13. Little King Robin

That's the entry list at the minute. Without any major research into trainers recent comments.....Darwins Fox, Zaidpour, Pittoni all raced at the weekend so you'd imagine that they'd come out. Tiger Roll and Little King Robin have raced 2 or more times already this year so I'd have a doubt about them.

Jetson in as cover for Jezki I'd think so I'd reckon he well be kept to staying races. More of That would be brilliant to see in here but I doubt he'll travel. So that leaves us with King of the Picts (who loves the place money in these races!), Willie's three, Monksland and Jezki. I can't imagine Faugheen and Annie Power going for it if the Fly is fit so I'm only going to include the fly of those three. Jezki will run and much as I'd love to see Monksland run, he might be scratched with his long injury layoff but I do look forward to when he runs again.

So then I'll say that The Fly, Jezki, King of the Picts and I've a feeling maybe Tiger Roll will go as he was so poor at Down Royal.

klairondavis

skippymac6 wrote: »

1. Darwins Fox
2. Faugheen
3. Hurricane Fly
4. Jetson
5. Jezki
6. King of the Picts
7. Monksland
8. More of That
9. Pittoni
10. Zaidpour
11. Tiger Roll
12. Annie Power
13. Little King Robin

That's the entry list at the minute. Without any major research into trainers recent comments.....Darwins Fox, Zaidpour, Pittoni all raced at the weekend so you'd imagine that they'd come out. Tiger Roll and Little King Robin have raced 2 or more times already this year so I'd have a doubt about them.

Jetson in as cover for Jezki I'd think so I'd reckon he well be kept to staying races. More of That would be brilliant to see in here but I doubt he'll travel. So that leaves us with King of the Picts (who loves the place money in these races!), Willie's three, Monksland and Jezki. I can't imagine Faugheen and Annie Power going for it if the Fly is fit so I'm only going to include the fly of those three. Jezki will run and much as I'd love to see Monksland run, he might be scratched with his long injury layoff but I do look forward to when he runs again.

So then I'll say that The Fly, Jezki, King of the Picts and I've a feeling maybe Tiger Roll will go as he was so poor at Down Royal.

I think they are the Hattons Grace entries.

There are 12 left in the Morgiana:

11-11 1 Faugheen(158) (WPMullins) - ............ 11,10
1-142 2 Hurricane Fly(165) (WPMullins) - . .... 11,10
2-411 3 Jezki(169) (MrsJHarrington) - . ........... 11,10
32-33 4 King Of The Picts(141) (JPShanahan) - . ......... 11,10
3p-16 5 Lethal Weapon (CRoche) - . ............. 11,10
21-1- 6 Melodic Rendezvous (GB) (JScott (in GB)) - . ................... 11,10
4-388 7 Gerdago(130) (KJCondon) - . ............. 11,07
-2171 8 Tiger Roll(150) (GElliott) - . ................ 11,07
-1121 9 Annie Power(162) (WPMullins) - . ...... 11,03
2-113 10 Katie T(126) (KPrendergast) - . .......... 11,03
31111 11 Little King Robin(139) (CBowe) - . .... 11,03
51493 12 Princess Leya(115) (MsMMullins) - . . 11,03

skippymac6

klairondavis wrote: »

I think they are the Hattons Grace entries.

There are 12 left in the Morgiana:

11-11 1 Faugheen(158) (WPMullins) - ............ 11,10
1-142 2 Hurricane Fly(165) (WPMullins) - . .... 11,10
2-411 3 Jezki(169) (MrsJHarrington) - . ........... 11,10
32-33 4 King Of The Picts(141) (JPShanahan) - . ......... 11,10
3p-16 5 Lethal Weapon (CRoche) - . ............. 11,10
21-1- 6 Melodic Rendezvous (GB) (JScott (in GB)) - . ................... 11,10
4-388 7 Gerdago(130) (KJCondon) - . ............. 11,07
-2171 8 Tiger Roll(150) (GElliott) - . ................ 11,07
-1121 9 Annie Power(162) (WPMullins) - . ...... 11,03
2-113 10 Katie T(126) (KPrendergast) - . .......... 11,03
31111 11 Little King Robin(139) (CBowe) - . .... 11,03
51493 12 Princess Leya(115) (MsMMullins) - . . 11,03

Ah sorry, don't know how i got that wrong! Might be the same sort of lineup ha!

jimjamcos

Morgiana line up will be Hurricane Fly, Jezki and not much else by the looks of it. I know they'll have the old champ proper fit but given he has comfortably beat him on last two occasions, that its a Gr1 and that he may have Geraghty on board makes Jezki a bet at 11/10.