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    #92
    Bangor Billy
    Registered Users Posts: 335 ✭✭Bangor Billy


    But there is one Ricci horse to keep on the right side of. He has already won three out of four bumpers in France. Connections are bullish about this horse being a Supreme Novice hurdle winner and he cost a small fortune, figures upwards of €300,000 were reported. His name? Allez Colombieres. You heard it here first.


    - Pipey.[/QUOTE]

    You heard it here first? It was mentioned on Page 2 of this thread!


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    #93
    Oscars Well.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,285 ✭✭✭Oscars Well.


    [/QUOTE]You heard it here first? It was mentioned on Page 2 of this thread![/QUOTE]

    By yours truly :D
    Heard a few months ago that Mullins had a french horse that would win the Supreme, didn't have a name so was presuming it was Allez


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    #94
    MassDeb8r
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    Sorry about that one lads, I retract my statment (didn't see the first post!) and pass on all the credit to the good Oscars Well and will remember this when Allez powers up the hill in March !!


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    #95
    coopdog85
    Registered Users Posts: 148 ✭✭coopdog85


    Mullins/Ricci think Annie Power is too valuable to risk chasing. Will never jump a fence you can be sure of that.


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    #96
    bellybuster12
    Registered Users Posts: 551 ✭✭✭bellybuster12


    This is second hand info* The owners of UDS believe they are Arkle bound and have had chunky bets on, apparently only injury will rule this out.

    Just on this, they were also promised a run in the irish champion and champion hurdle last season, which didn't happen and they had backed anti post.The french races were some kind of compensation.

    My info is second hand but accurate.


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    #97
    Andalucia
    Registered Users Posts: 553 ✭✭✭Andalucia


    bellybuster12 wrote: »
    This is second hand info* The owners of UDS believe they are Arkle bound and have had chunky bets on, apparently only injury will rule this out.

    Just on this, they were also promised a run in the irish champion and champion hurdle last season, which didn't happen and they had backed anti post.The french races were some kind of compensation.

    My info is second hand but accurate.

    UDS will only run on real winter ground. Pick up few handy pots whilst being kept away from Riccis. As much chance of him turning up for the Arkle as there is for the Melbourne Cup.


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    #98
    bellybuster12
    Registered Users Posts: 551 ✭✭✭bellybuster12


    Andalucia wrote: »
    UDS will only run on real winter ground. Pick up few handy pots whilst being kept away from Riccis. As much chance of him turning up for the Arkle as there is for the Melbourne Cup.


    I wouldn't disagree with you, but this is what the owners believe.


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    #99
    Andalucia
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    bellybuster12 wrote: »
    I wouldn't disagree with you, but this is what the owners believe.

    Mullins only has eyes for RR horses these days. The other owners are only wasting their time if they don't cotton on to this. RR horses take precedence. Crumbs for other owners.


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    #100
    cack_handed
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    Maybe I'm being naive, but I always assumed that while the trainer could steer, advise, cajole, plead, it was the owners who ultimately called the shots. They pay the entry fees, they decide where a horse runs or doesn't run. Is it different with WPM? Does he require prospective owners to sign a contract giving him a bigger say in how a horse is campaigned?

    I'm genuinely perplexed by this. If the owners of UDS wanted to run in the Champion last season, why didn't he run? How did Mullins and Walsh talk them out of it? And, surely, if there's a grievance there, they have the option of rehousing the horse to another stable


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    #101
    bellybuster12
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    cack_handed wrote: »
    Maybe I'm being naive, but I always assumed that while the trainer could steer, advise, cajole, plead, it was the owners who ultimately called the shots. They pay the entry fees, they decide where a horse runs or doesn't run. Is it different with WPM? Does he require prospective owners to sign a contract giving him a bigger say in how a horse is campaigned?

    I'm genuinely perplexed by this. If the owners of UDS wanted to run in the Champion last season, why didn't he run? How did Mullins and Walsh talk them out of it? And, surely, if there's a grievance there, they have the option of rehousing the horse to another stable



    You are not naive sir, but i fear the owners of UDS are. + willy and ruby have been calling the shots up to now, this is a fact. The carrot now is ruby telling them how he is smashing everything at home and won't be touched in the Arkle.


    Take everything aside i just really want to see the horse against Grp1 company either hurdle or fence(hurdle hopefully), he has so much talent.


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    #102
    califano
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    Should be good. The JN Wine chase at Down Royal signals the start of NH Hunt season for me.


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    #103
    Backstreet Moyes
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    Really disappointing if he goes chasing that we never seen him tested over hurdles. He looks perfect for the Champion Hurdle he has a serious engine and jumps well.


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    #104
    Andalucia
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    Nuts102 wrote: »
    Really disappointing if he goes chasing that we never seen him tested over hurdles. He looks perfect for the Champion Hurdle he has a serious engine and jumps well.

    Its all about Ruby. Need to keep him happen


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    #105
    skippymac6
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    MassDeb8r wrote: »
    Rich Ricci has outlined that Faugheen is to stay over hurdles, Vatour might go novice chasing but Annie Power should stay over the smaller obstacle. Champagne Fever will be aimed at both the Queen Mother and Gold Cup with a possible tilt at the King George with him. The exciting Pont Alexandre is back from his long injury and will go chasing as well.



    But there is one Ricci horse to keep on the right side of. He has already won three out of four bumpers in France. Connections are bullish about this horse being a Supreme Novice hurdle winner and he cost a small fortune, figures upwards of €300,000 were reported. His name? Allez Colombieres. You heard it here first.



    - Pipey.

    Vautour seemingly confirmed to go chasing by Gary O'Brien. I'll have to get a few bob on him to win the Arkle and Faugheen for the champion then! Cue Vautour to go for the JLT no doubt!!


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    #106
    Dr. Bre
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    Yep Vautour to go chasing. normally the route for supreme winners is the champion hurdle so interesting to see how he does. http://www.attheraces.com/article.aspx?hlid=548614&lid=&raceid=&title=Vautour+goes+chasing&ref=PA+Racing+Feed&nav=&sub=&day=Thu


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    #107
    Backstreet Moyes
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    Mullin's record with chasers wouldn't fill you with confidence what is it 7 or 8 years since a winner at Cheltenham.


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    #108
    Oscars Well.
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,285 ✭✭✭Oscars Well.


    Nuts102 wrote: »
    Mullin's record with chasers wouldn't fill you with confidence what is it 7 or 8 years since a winner at Cheltenham.

    Tbf he had two close misses this year in the Arkle and Gold Cup


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    #109
    Backstreet Moyes
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    Oscars Well. wrote: »
    Tbf he had two close misses this year in the Arkle and Gold Cup

    Fair point what i would like to see

    Champion Hurdle Un De Sceaux
    World Hurdle Faugheen
    Mares Glens Melody

    Arkle Vatour
    Annie Power Gold Cup


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    #110
    coopdog85
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    bellybuster12 wrote: »
    This is second hand info* The owners of UDS believe they are Arkle bound and have had chunky bets on, apparently only injury will rule this out.

    Just on this, they were also promised a run in the irish champion and champion hurdle last season, which didn't happen and they had backed anti post.The french races were some kind of compensation.

    My info is second hand but accurate.

    Not disagreeing with your information but Mullins said today that Vautour will go chasing & the only race for him is the Arkle. Hard to see Mullins pitting them against eachother. Although I would love to see it I can't see it happening.


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    #111
    coopdog85
    Registered Users Posts: 148 ✭✭coopdog85


    bellybuster12 wrote: »
    This is second hand info* The owners of UDS believe they are Arkle bound and have had chunky bets on, apparently only injury will rule this out.

    Just on this, they were also promised a run in the irish champion and champion hurdle last season, which didn't happen and they had backed anti post.The french races were some kind of compensation.

    My info is second hand but accurate.

    Not disagreeing with your information but Mullins said today that Vautour will go chasing & the only race for him is the Arkle. Hard to see Mullins pitting them against eachother. Although I would love to see it I can't see it happening.


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    #112
    NaiveMelodies
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    bellybuster12 wrote: »
    You are not naive sir, but i fear the owners of UDS are. + willy and ruby have been calling the shots up to now, this is a fact. The carrot now is ruby telling them how he is smashing everything at home and won't be touched in the Arkle.


    Take everything aside i just really want to see the horse against Grp1 company either hurdle or fence(hurdle hopefully), he has so much talent.

    You've gone from second hand info, to accurate second hand info, to fact.
    Therefore, I can only conclude that your information has zero substance.

    Can you please indicate who it is that has spilt the beans about this great conspiracy against the owners of UDS?
    Can you also please tell me what the evil overlords Ruby and Willie have gained from this great coup?


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    #113
    bellybuster12
    Registered Users Posts: 551 ✭✭✭bellybuster12


    only1stevo wrote: »
    You've gone from second hand info, to accurate second hand info, to fact.
    Therefore, I can only conclude that your information has zero substance.

    Can you please indicate who it is that has spilt the beans about this great conspiracy against the owners of UDS?
    Can you also please tell me what the evil overlords Ruby and Willie have gained from this great coup?


    I will obviously ignore your first paragraph and the retarded undertone of the second.

    A mutual friend of the owners who relayed the plans they had for the horse last season which obviously didn't happen. Now he has relayed this seasons plan after the owners latest with the yard which Ruby told them that nothing in the yard can touch him. As far as they are concerned they are Arkle bound and have put there money down.

    I will leave conspiracy and coup talk to your goodself.


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    #114
    NaiveMelodies
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    bellybuster12 wrote: »
    I will obviously ignore your first paragraph and the retarded undertone of the second.

    A mutual friend of the owners who relayed the plans they had for the horse last season which obviously didn't happen. Now he has relayed this seasons plan after the owners latest with the yard which Ruby told them that nothing in the yard can touch him. As far as they are concerned they are Arkle bound and have put there money down.

    I will leave conspiracy and coup talk to your goodself.

    Make up your mind though? Is it fact or is it fact?


    On the off chance that your friend exists, did you get a chance to ask him what the reasoning behind UDSs non appearances last season were?
    And why the owner is still with Mullins seen as they were conned into placing big ante post bets on their boy after being 'promised a run'?


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    #115
    Backstreet Moyes
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    He is 7/1 for the Arkle if he turns up on the day he won't be much shorter it would be complete madness to back him at 7/1 now


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    #116
    cack_handed
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    Well looks like Vautour is very likely Arkle bound judging by Mullins' comments today so where that leaves UDS is hard to know. Odd Mullins talked about so many of his stable stars today but no mention at all of UDS unless I missed something


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    #117
    klairondavis
    Registered Users Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭klairondavis


    Nuts102 wrote: »
    Mullin's record with chasers wouldn't fill you with confidence what is it 7 or 8 years since a winner at Cheltenham.

    Back In Focus won the 4 miler in 2013. Boston Bob desperately unfortunate that year also.


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    #118
    NaiveMelodies
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    Nuts102 wrote: »
    Mullin's record with chasers wouldn't fill you with confidence what is it 7 or 8 years since a winner at Cheltenham.

    Sir Des Champs and Cooldine too.


    A record I'm sure he's mad to improve though, plenty of ammunition this year so we shall see.


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    #119
    bellybuster12
    Registered Users Posts: 551 ✭✭✭bellybuster12


    only1stevo wrote: »
    Make up your mind though? Is it fact or is it fact?


    On the off chance that your friend exists, did you get a chance to ask him what the reasoning behind UDSs non appearances last season were?
    And why the owner is still with Mullins seen as they were conned into placing big ante post bets on their boy after being 'promised a run'?


    I have better things to do than make up friends and talk about it on the internet, last season they were not happy about not running in the champion hurdle and france was some kind of consolation. I don't know the exact reason they were given but i will try and find out.

    Just so you know i'm only passing on what i have been told from a mutual friend, personally i would like to see him hurdling this season and have a crack at the champion hurdle.


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    #120
    radharc
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    Nuts102 wrote: »
    He is 7/1 for the Arkle if he turns up on the day he won't be much shorter it would be complete madness to back him at 7/1 now

    Given a decent novice campaign he would be much shorter than 7s on the day


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    #121
    Huntley
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    If any horse is getting a raw deal this year in Champion Hurdle terms it is the standout two mile novice who hammered a Supreme field that will turn out to be very good imo. Personally I thought Vautour had an exceptional blend of speed and stamina for a CH, not to mind his Drinmore performance was the greatest display of jumping from any two mile novice I've seen. The Arkle will be good this year, I think Josses Hill and The Tullow Tank will be two serious weapons to go chasing with.


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