Dublin Marathon 2012 - Mentored Novices Thread

saraocallaghan

Younganne wrote: »

Sara, try out the runners with the insoles for 2/3 more runs and see if there is any difference, then remove them and do 2/3 runs to see if you have any problems....its possible you have shin splints, which would be common for poeple starting off running or increasing distances....I suffered with them myself before and its not nice. stretch the shins as best you, especially after running, by stretching the foot away from you and elongating the shin....it is possible to run through them but its not very comfortable..not sure if its recommended!!


i was recommended Asics GT2160s but couldn't wear them running at all...I went to Amphibian King and they are fab...I got Saucony runners and they are so much better!

Great, thanks Younganne. The guy in Elverys said that it could take a week for my feet and legs to get used to them and this is only my second run. I'll give them the week, see how I get on and go from there. I'm going to head out to Amphibian King to get my next pair of runners in the next month or so. I'll need a new pair by then.

shazkea

To be honest Sara, we'd only be guessing at what the issue is. Try and get the gait analysis done again a specialised running shop if you have one near you. They will give you great advice and let you try out numerous makes/models.

On stretching, this is a good stretch for shins http://www.teachpe.com/stretching/standing_shin.php

saraocallaghan

shazkea wrote: »

To be honest Sara, we'd only be guessing at what the issue is. Try and get the gait analysis done again a specialised running shop if you have one near you. They will give you great advice and let you try out numerous makes/models.

On stretching, this is a good stretch for shins http://www.teachpe.com/stretching/standing_shin.php

Thanks Shazkea. Yeah I'll head out to Bray in the next week or so, I'm in Dublin city so it shouldn't be too difficult, and see what they recommend and bring my runners with me.

Thanks for the link.

Younganne

G-Money wrote: »

Missed a 2 mile run yesterday morning due to going to bed too late the night before. Aimed to do it this morning instead, same fecking story!

That happens us all sometimes, but you'll have to try to fit in the runs when the marathon plan starts and especially the LSR, which is the one that should never be missed if at all possible.
Can you fit the run in this evening to get you back on track!!

davemcmahon wrote: »

Am back running 3-4 times a week a nice 3 miles this morning before breakfast. Have the Lucan 5k at the weekend so looking forward to that and then on to building up my LSR at the weekends.

Nothing like getting the run first thing in the morning and then its done for the day!!Thats something i must try a little harder to do:o
Good luck with the race at the weekend, Enjoy it.

Younganne

saraocallaghan wrote: »

Thanks Shazkea. Yeah I'll head out to Bray in the next week or so, I'm in Dublin city so it shouldn't be too difficult, and see what they recommend and bring my runners with me.

Thanks for the link.

Also in Ballymount if its any nearer

Amphibian King Ballymount

Base2Race
Unit 46a Fashion City
Ballymount
Dublin 24
ballymount@amphibianking.ie
Phone: (01) 429-5769

saraocallaghan

Younganne wrote: »

Also in Ballymount if its any nearer

Amphibian King Ballymount

Base2Race
Unit 46a Fashion City
Ballymount
Dublin 24
ballymount@amphibianking.ie
Phone: (01) 429-5769

Thanks Younganne. I'll get to them by hook or by crook!

Younganne

Trampas wrote: »

haven't ran in over a week as knee not right after i slight tear of my mcl a few months ago so resting it and on anti inflammatory for it.

have maynooth 10km this sunday and staff relay 5k staff relay thurs week coming up.

not great prep but will get around in decent time if knee doesn't complain

mind the knee, make sure its nothing too serious as if it is and its not sorted it will probably flare up again. Get it checked with Physio
Good luck with the races..Enjoy them!

NoelJ wrote: »

If I was to run the marathon I'd be looking to do it in 4 hours.. should I be looking at doing the Novice 1 plan? It seems not alot of running for me. Would Novice 2 be okay to stick to?

What sort of running have you done up to now? To be honest you could get 4hrs using Novice 1 as its all about building up the mileage in the legs, novice 2 has a bit of pace work which might not suit everone and the LSR are slightly higher to start with.
Whichever plan you decide on, make sure that you stick with it and don't add extra runs if you are feeling good. Rest is as important as running to allow the body recover and be able for the mileage as it increases week on week.

greenspurs

Lower calf pain ? Maybe its your achilles then Sara. I recently got Asics, and i have experienced bad pain in my calves related to an achilles problem. Asics related ? i dont know...

saraocallaghan

greenspurs wrote: »

Lower calf pain ? Maybe its your achilles then Sara. I recently got Asics, and i have experienced bad pain in my calves related to an achilles problem. Asics related ? i dont know...

Hi Greenspur, I've run in these runners for the past few months and the lower calf/shin pain/tightness has only happened since I put in the insoles. I'm going to see if it's my feet having to adapt to the new position the insoles are pushing my feet into.

BobMac104

I dont like the idea of something forcing your foot into anyposition.

However i will say this. The amount of good and bad info on running shoes that you can get from the internet, shops assistants, other runners etc is endless. In the short time you posted your question you have gotten a load responses which could easily confuse and dishearten you. I have my own opinion on shoes too but i think it would only add to the mountain of info that you have to digest and make sense of. The best thing to do as the other have said is head off to amphibian king and talk to them about it and try on loads of shoes and hopefully you will find a pair that suits you.


if you want my opinion go with a nice light flat pair!:P

saraocallaghan

BobMac104 wrote: »

I dont like the idea of something forcing your foot into anyposition.

However i will say this. The amount of good and bad info on running shoes that you can get from the internet, shops assistants, other runners etc is endless. In the short time you posted your question you have gotten a load responses which could easily confuse and dishearten you. I have my own opinion on shoes too but i think it would only add to the mountain of info that you have to digest and make sense of. The best thing to do as the other have said is head off to amphibian king and talk to them about it and try on loads of shoes and hopefully you will find a pair that suits you.


if you want my opinion go with a nice light flat pair:P!

Thanks Bob! Yeah I'm going to go out to Amphibian King. I always thought Elvery's were reputable but obviously not in relation to this! Off to Bray/Ballymount I go!

sasser

Have you raced before? If so what are your PBs? (Date and distance please!)
Spar Great Run 10km 58m 02sec
Samsung 10Km 55m 52sec
5 mile: 45m 20sec

Do you still need to take walk breaks in your training? No problem if you do!#
No

How much training do you currently do? Distances, how many days a week, cross training - whatever you think is relevant
On a good week, 3 runs, longest run yet 11.5km, generally running 7 - 10km most runs. Do 1 - 2 gym sessions a week of strength and conditioning

What do you want to achieve? Dream finishing time and realistic finishing time?
Dream time 4 hours , realistically 4h20 - 4h30

How many days a week can you train?
3 - 4 days

Why are you running this marathon?
Always wanted to do one, finally realised it's achievable!

Going to do the 18 week Novice 1 plan, what should I be at now

Younganne

sasser wrote: »

Have you raced before? If so what are your PBs? (Date and distance please!)
Spar Great Run 10km 58m 02sec
Samsung 10Km 55m 52sec
5 mile: 45m 20sec

Do you still need to take walk breaks in your training? No problem if you do!#
No

How much training do you currently do? Distances, how many days a week, cross training - whatever you think is relevant
On a good week, 3 runs, longest run yet 11.5km, generally running 7 - 10km most runs. Do 1 - 2 gym sessions a week of strength and conditioning

What do you want to achieve? Dream finishing time and realistic finishing time?
Dream time 4 hours , realistically 4h20 - 4h30

How many days a week can you train?
3 - 4 days

Why are you running this marathon?
Always wanted to do one, finally realised it's achievable!

Going to do the 18 week Novice 1 plan, what should I be at now

Welcome Sasser,

The 18 week Novice 1 plan will kick off on June 25th.
In the meantime follow this plan....six weeks left to start of marathon plan so hop in at week 7, helps to build up for week 1 of marathon plan!

SpionJoe

zooming wrote: »

Hi all,
I am on the long road (literally) to my first marathon, and I thought I should start a discussion group on here for absolute Novice runners like me, who intend to finish a marathon in or around the 5 hour mark. Im slow and feel sometimes everyone else is so much faster than me! Currently Im running 11.20 to 11.30 min miles.
Any hints, tips, advice, discussions, fears, worries, blisters all welcome here.
Anyone interested?
PS Im a 41 year old female

Hi Zooming,
I am with you 100%, I am following this thread myself in the hope of completing my first marathon, 5 hours seems what i am also looking at. (finishing it in one piece is another target......:D)

Some of the post on this thread will frighten the s**te out of you, listening to what others are doing can worry us about our own development. I'm simply trying to filter what may be relevant to me, everybody is at a different standard here and not all advice or opinions is relevant or indeed correct for everybody.

'keeping it basic' is my moral through this....

best of luck

SpionJoe

Younganne wrote: »

Welcome Sasser,

The 18 week Novice 1 plan will kick off on June 25th.
In the meantime follow this plan....six weeks left to start of marathon plan so hop in at week 7, helps to build up for week 1 of marathon plan!

Thanks Younganne

starting Week 7 of the above plan tonight.

Mrs Noc

SpionJoe wrote: »

Hi Zooming,
I am with you 100%, I am following this thread myself in the hope of completing my first marathon, 5 hours seems what i am also looking at. (finishing it in one piece is another target......:D)

Some of the post on this thread will frighten the s**te out of you, listening to what others are doing can worry us about our own development. I'm simply trying to filter what may be relevant to me, everybody is at a different standard here and not all advice or opinions is relevant or indeed correct for everybody.

'keeping it basic' is my moral through this....

best of luck

I'm with you both on this one. First time for me. A work colleague did the London marathon recently in 5 hours and I reckon I'm at the same level as her. Of course, I would like to do it in less time, but the main thing is finishing:).

greenspurs

Have you raced before? If so what are your PBs? (Date and distance please!)
Wexford Half Marathon 2012 1hr 43
Stoneyford 2011 46mins
Do you still need to take walk breaks in your training? No problem if you do!#
No

How much training do you currently do? Distances, how many days a week, cross training - whatever you think is relevant
Most weeks at the moment 2-3 times
1-2 med length 8-9 min miles.
1 long run 15-18 miles 8 1/2 - 9 1/2 min miles

What do you want to achieve? Dream finishing time and realistic finishing time?
Dream time 4 hours , realistically 4h20

How many days a week can you train?
3 - 4 days

Why are you running this marathon?
Always wanted to do one, Its on my list

scriba

Right. I'm still somewhat undecided about doing DCM 2012, as the training peaks when I'm planning to hand in my PhD, but if I don't sign up to the training now, that decision will be taken out of my hands later, regardless!

I'm scriba, 34 male, Cork, running since the middle of February this year, and currently weighing just under 14st. Took up running to improve fitness, mental health, remove stress, lose weight, and achieve something. I've a limited background in sports, played rugby until I was 20, and 5/6-a-side football since then. Always hated running, until now! To all fellow new runners out there, if I can do this, believe me, you definitely can!

You can follow my 'thrilling' training log here.

And now to the questions.

Younganne wrote: »

[*]Have you raced before? If so what are your PBs? (Date and distance please!)

Cobh 10m 16/4/2012 81:52
HM Bandon 12/5/2012 1:49:01

[*]Do you still need to take walk breaks in your training? No problem if you do!

No, but the desire to is always there! Thinking is the enemy! :P

[*]How much training do you currently do? Distances, how many days a week, cross training - whatever you think is relevant

Usually around three days a week running: 8-9km easy, a 30 min tempo / intervals, and an LSR of 16-17km, total varies between 30km-40km on a decent week. I also play football on Thursday nights.

[*]What do you want to achieve? Dream finishing time and realistic finishing time?

I think that sub 4:00 is within my grasp if I train correctly. Dream time for a first marathon would be 3:30ish (8 min miles all the way round :eek:). Besides, if the sooner it's finished, the sooner it's over, right?

[*]How many days a week can you train?

4-5, I'm trying to shift my running time to early mornings before work, so as to make running time sacrosanct in my daily schedule.

[*]Why are you running this marathon?

They're taking the hobbits to Isengaurd! Ever since I read that as a child, I've wondered what it would be like to run long distances. Now I'll know. And maybe save Merry and Pippin. Achievement, basically, and my long term health.

Best of luck to everyone, get stuck into your base work, week 1 won't be long coming up!

tang1

scriba wrote: »

I think that sub 4:00 is within my grasp if I train correctly. Dream time for a first marathon would be a 3:49:20 (8 min miles all the way round :eek:).

8 min/miles gets you a marathon time of 3.29.45. Your underestimating yourself by nearly 20 mins.

scriba

tang1 wrote: »

8 min/miles gets you a marathon time of 3.29.45. Your underestimating yourself by nearly 20 mins.

So it is, it's been a long day! I thought it looked a little off. Cheers, tang1!

zooming

Mrs Noc wrote: »

I'm with you both on this one. First time for me. A work colleague did the London marathon recently in 5 hours and I reckon I'm at the same level as her. Of course, I would like to do it in less time, but the main thing is finishing:).

Its all so confusing! I feel like such a slow poke when others are talking about sub 4hrs and 8 min miles, I feel like a big fat porpoise waddling around at my pace! But Im going to stick with it, do you guys train in the city, country roads or what? Where I live its rural and hilly (yuk)

SpionJoe

zooming wrote: »

Its all so confusing! I feel like such a slow poke when others are talking about sub 4hrs and 8 min miles, I feel like a big fat porpoise waddling around at my pace! But Im going to stick with it, do you guys train in the city, country roads or what? Where I live its rural and hilly (yuk)

I am trying not to get worried over some of the stuff on here, everybody is different. I live in Dublin and I am lucky to be close enough to the Phoenix Park. The beauty of the Phoenix Park is that you have road or grass or flat or hilly.

zooming

SpionJoe wrote: »

I am trying not to get worried over some of the stuff on here, everybody is different. I live in Dublin and I am lucky to be close enough to the Phoenix Park. The beauty of the Phoenix Park is that you have road or grass or flat or hilly.

Yes thats ideal, Im doing the womens MM in June, its 10k so am looking forward to that, are you doing Dublin in October?

Mulberry

Ok, Mulberry here, female, 40, member of a Fit4Life group for 2.5 years and think I will try the DCM this year.

Have you raced before? If so what are your PBs? (Date and distance please!)
May 2012: 10K (Summerhill): 49:02
Summer 2011: 10 miles (Race Series): 1:25:52
Summer 2011: Half Marathon (Race Series): 1:49:18

Do you still need to take walk breaks in your training? No problem if you do!
No

How much training do you currently do? Distances, how many days a week, cross training - whatever you think is relevant
Monday - 5 miles easy-ish pace
Tuesday and Thursday - club training on the track (speed, interval, not sure of the terms!)
Saturday - LSR - have just worked up to 10 miles

What do you want to achieve? Dream finishing time and realistic finishing time?
Dream: 3:59:59! Reality: 4:29 (or maybe more)

How many days a week can you train?
Try to do 4 but it doesn't happen every week. Will aim for 5 closer to marathon day.

Why are you running this marathon?
I LOVE running and think I'm looking forward to the training more than the race itself! DCM is an excuse to get out running more often (thanks to my supportive husband!)

menoscemo

zooming wrote: »

Its all so confusing! I feel like such a slow poke when others are talking about sub 4hrs and 8 min miles, I feel like a big fat porpoise waddling around at my pace! But Im going to stick with it, do you guys train in the city, country roads or what? Where I live its rural and hilly (yuk)

Don't worry there have been plenty of folks in the novice group each year who are aiming for 5hrs+ in the Marathon. There'll also be 5hr pacers on the big day itself to help you achieve your goal.

rasher_m

Hi guys,

I'm wondering if there are any groups starting up for the marathon training. I think I would benefit from running the LSR's with other people especially when they get longer. I live in north Dublin so if anyone is a first time marathon runner or an experienced one willing to take it slowly I'm an eager training buddy

Younganne

scriba wrote: »

Right. I'm still somewhat undecided about doing DCM 2012, as the training peaks when I'm planning to hand in my PhD, but if I don't sign up to the training now, that decision will be taken out of my hands later, regardless!

Scriba, if you are thinking about DCM 2012, then yes start the training and make the decision later as you rightly say, you can opt out of a plan but not opt in!

zooming wrote: »

Its all so confusing! I feel like such a slow poke when others are talking about sub 4hrs and 8 min miles, I feel like a big fat porpoise waddling around at my pace! But Im going to stick with it, do you guys train in the city, country roads or what? Where I live its rural and hilly (yuk)

SpionJoe wrote: »

I am trying not to get worried over some of the stuff on here, everybody is different. I live in Dublin and I am lucky to be close enough to the Phoenix Park. The beauty of the Phoenix Park is that you have road or grass or flat or hilly.

Guys there are all levels of Novices. The aim of this thread is to get you to the start line of your 1st (or sometimes 2nd/3rd) marathon, get you around the course and to the finish line safely in one piece. The prize at the end here is completing a marathon.

Time is a personal think, some will do 3hr, 3.30, 4.00 4.30, 5.00 & 5+
Everyone will train at their own ability but the key here is that everyone will follow the plan the same..so if you are doing Novice 1 weekly as its posted, everyone will be running the same distances, the pace doesn't matter as the objective of the plan is to build stamina for the marathon and get miles in your legs...:D

rainbow kirby

zooming wrote: »

Where I live its rural and hilly (yuk)

That has its benefits though, all those hills will do wonders for your leg strength, and the course will seem much flatter on race day.

Younganne

zooming wrote: »

Its all so confusing! I feel like such a slow poke when others are talking about sub 4hrs and 8 min miles, I feel like a big fat porpoise waddling around at my pace! But Im going to stick with it, do you guys train in the city, country roads or what? Where I live its rural and hilly (yuk)

Rural and hilly is fine, the hills will make your legs stronger and get you ready for a couple on the marathon course. Grass an odd time if you can would do your legs no harm as its earier on them....once the LSR is done ont he road to get the legs ready for the surface of the race.

Mulberry wrote: »

Ok, Mulberry here, female, 40, member of a Fit4Life group for 2.5 years and think I will try the DCM this year.

Why are you running this marathon?
I LOVE running and think I'm looking forward to the training more than the race itself! DCM is an excuse to get out running more often (thanks to my supportive husband!)

Welcome most peolpe love the matrathon but hate the training so you are lucky you love it so much..love may it continue...it developes into a great habit:D and always great to have the support behind you.

rasher_m wrote: »

Hi guys,

I'm wondering if there are any groups starting up for the marathon training. I think I would benefit from running the LSR's with other people especially when they get longer. I live in north Dublin so if anyone is a first time marathon runner or an experienced one willing to take it slowly I'm an eager training buddy

Most weekends a group meet int he Phoenix park and the date and times are posted here. You could go along and join them!

SpionJoe

zooming wrote: »

Yes thats ideal, Im doing the womens MM in June, its 10k so am looking forward to that, are you doing Dublin in October?

Yes, The plan in my head is Dublin Marathon this year.
16 months I ago I was doing no form of physical activity and smoking 20 cigarettes a day. Im still having some issues with breathing while running but its getting better.