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''Leader's'' Debate - TV3 - 8.00PM

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    #152
    pjmn
    Registered Users Posts: 1,059 ✭✭✭pjmn


    Would describe myself as apolitical...

    If one had landed from Mars and wasn't aware of what has gone on here in recent years, I think one could conclude that MM comes across as clearer re the way forward...

    However given that I don't come from Mars and do know what went on - I'm becoming more convinced that the correct solution is a minority Fine Gael government supported by MM's Fianna Fail.

    pjmn


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    #153
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users Posts: 13,040 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    the untitled user wrote: »
    Very very disappointing. It's all just pointless emotive statements and sweeping generalisations.

    What else did you expect? Both leaders presumably only agreed to the debate if VB wasn't allowed to get involved.


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    #154
    CoalBucket
    Closed Accounts Posts: 971 ✭✭✭CoalBucket


    If I hear Martin refer to Twenty sixteen as Two Sixteen again i'll go crazy !!!!!!!!


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    #155
    telekon
    Registered Users Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭telekon


    The man who established the HSE believes "in a strong health system"...rolleyes.gif


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    #156
    Deepwell
    Registered Users Posts: 81 ✭✭Deepwell


    Vinnie is letting MM away with murder - he is was overrruning his response time. Vinnie is obviously a closet FF supporter.


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    #157
    bernardo mac
    Registered Users Posts: 903 ✭✭✭bernardo mac


    Martin is trying to justify FF actions having allowed a catastrophic crisis to develop.In time, it will be revealed how many FF fingers were dipped into forbidden pies.Many of the dipping knaves have fled,very well fed. But FF is finished and legal public fingering of the pseudo patriots will come in a new regime


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    #158
    RubyRoss
    Registered Users Posts: 302 ✭✭RubyRoss


    deelite wrote: »
    Matches his eyes :D

    Cat like and creepy, no?


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    #159
    Handsome Bob
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    Deepwell wrote: »
    Vinnie is letting MM away with murder - he is was overrruning his response time. Vinnie is obviously a closet FF supporter.

    In fairness he has given Gilmore leg room as well, such as when Vinnie announced the ad break but allowed Gilmore to get his spiel in.


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    #160
    kev9100
    Registered Users Posts: 1,271 ✭✭✭kev9100


    I'm sorry Martin has been crap. He knows he won't get near government so its easy for him. Gilmore and the Labour actually have to live in the real world. I think Gilmore's winning.


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    #161
    LuckyGent88
    Registered Users Posts: 14,150 ✭✭✭✭LuckyGent88


    Chucky the tree wrote: »
    Lets build more schools with more teachers and add to our Public sector bill? Ugh.

    so you fancy keeping kids in cold wet prefabs? By building new schools to replace old and too small ones will get the construction sector going again & this does not mean we need more teachers.


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    #162
    Balmed Out
    Registered Users Posts: 4,713 ✭✭✭Balmed Out


    Cant see how anyone thinks kenny coming out well from this, Gilmore seems vague on a lot but ill still come out tonight with more respect for him then kenny for having the balls to put himself out there. Always voted fg but the guys a joke


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    #163
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    wyndhurst wrote: »
    FFS...all their policies are the same, they are all handcuffed by the bailout terms....all we have left is to have a leader that at least can communicate and not look like a complete TURKEY (aka Gilmore & Inda)


    If you can point out that all their policies are the same, go ahead and point them out.


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    #164
    hotmail.com
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    Deepwell wrote: »
    Vinnie is letting MM away with murder - he is was overrruning his response time. Vinnie is obviously a closet FF supporter.

    Go back and look at the programme again and you'll see what you're saying is complete rubbish.

    Gilmore hasn't mastered the art of condensing his policies into a one minute speech.


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    #165
    Mr.Micro
    Registered Users Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    Does Martin actually have a policy on anything.....other than I dont agree with FG and Labour.


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    #166
    CoalBucket
    Closed Accounts Posts: 971 ✭✭✭CoalBucket


    Martin just said it's interesting that Labour and FG are proposing to implement a health plan that cannot be implemented in the lifetime of the government.

    The Four Year Budgetry Plan Anybody !!!!!!!!!!!!!


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    #167
    runman
    Registered Users Posts: 287 ✭✭runman


    the untitled user wrote: »
    Very very disappointing. It's all just pointless emotive statements and sweeping generalisations.

    of course it is...ur average voter isnt able for the details...theyd be bored stiff, so they get the generalisations etc...
    if you were trying to win an election youd be doing the same...some laugh in fairness:D


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    #168
    Permabear
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    #169
    sollar
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    ebbsy wrote: »
    Kenny the real winner here. Let the two boys achieve nowt.

    No i don't think so.

    We know these guys are going to be nervous at the debate but at least they showed up and took the pressure. Kenny is hiding up in leitrim.


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    #170
    wyndhurst
    Registered Users Posts: 124 ✭✭wyndhurst


    Deepwell wrote: »
    Vinnie is letting MM away with murder - he is was overrruning his response time. Vinnie is obviously a closet FF supporter.

    You abviously know nothing about VB - there is nothing he could be further from than a FF supporter.
    He is actually probably overcompensating trying to seem balanced.

    On a side note - he is looking particulary orange tonight.


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    #171
    yoshytoshy
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    Poor Gilmore looks guilty as hell.


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    #172
    Drumpot
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    bernardo mac wrote: »
    Martin is trying to justify FF actions having allowed a catastrophic crisis to develop.In time, it will be revealed how many FF fingers were dipped into forbidden pies.Many of the dipping knaves have fled,very well fed. But FF is finished and legal public fingering of the pseudo patriots will come in a new regime


    Listen . . FF will not be our next government so dont worry about what Martin is saying to "cover up" the mistakes of the past.

    Be more concerned with the economically illiterate Gilmore who could potentially do serious damage going forward.

    People need to stop worrying about FF (as they are gone) and start worring about the obvious lack of quality in the alternative.

    Gilemore has been lucky that people have been so angry with FF up until now, nobody really listened to what he was saying. If nothing else this debate is finally allowing people to see how hollow his policies are!


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    #173
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    murpho999 wrote: »
    Sorry but different format.

    In US they stand behind podiums and then answer direct question put to them by host. There doesn't be a whole lot of interaction with each other.

    In this they are debating against each other......would be strange to look away from your opponent and at camera.

    I wouldn't call this a debate since half the time they're shouting over each other. IMO neither man is coming off particularly well, theres a lot of petty sniping and Gilmore is letting Martin get away with accusations like Gilmore would have accepted the guarantee when he has multiple times said he wouldn't.

    Martins party helped ruin the country and Gilmore should be reading him out of it like Pat Rabbitte did to Pat Carey a few months ago.

    Also VB is an awful moderator, he's got no control at all.


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    #174
    yosemite_sam
    Registered Users Posts: 547 ✭✭✭yosemite_sam


    I would not vote for either of them or the wimp who hid


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    #175
    Duckworth_Luas
    Registered Users Posts: 5,733 ✭✭✭Duckworth_Luas


    pjmn wrote: »
    I'm becoming more convinced that the correct solution is a minority Fine Gael government supported by MM's Fianna Fail.

    pjmn

    That would be the final nail in their coffin. FF propping up a FG government would cause even their most hardcore supporters to just walk away.


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    #176
    Permabear
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    #177
    Flimbos
    Registered Users Posts: 642 ✭✭✭Flimbos


    Martin: "Eamon, talk about the future"..

    Let's not dwell on the past now Michéal :rolleyes:


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    #178
    Sulmac
    Registered Users Posts: 1,021 ✭✭✭Sulmac


    Micheál Martin is hardly an authority on health.


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    #179
    CoalBucket
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    yoshytoshy wrote: »
    Poor Gilmore looks guilty as hell.

    The guilt rests on the otherside of the table


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    #180
    runman
    Registered Users Posts: 287 ✭✭runman


    Mr.Micro wrote: »
    Does Martin actually have a policy on anything.....other than I dont agree with FG and Labour.

    discredit them all = last man standing and no policy required


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    #181
    ascanbe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭ascanbe


    Deepwell wrote: »
    Vinnie is letting MM away with murder - he is was overrruning his response time. Vinnie is obviously a closet FF supporter.

    Agreed. I think this has become clear over the last while. VB is nothing more than the establishment's 'pet' socialist. He spends half his programme time banging on about social equity but when it comes down to it, it's clear that he doesn't actually believe in the premise it would be based on.


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