''Leader's'' Debate - TV3 - 8.00PM

MagicMarker

So are we all excited for our nation's first leader's debate before a general election? Are we hoping for a respectable discussion or 12 rounds of duckin' and diving and pointing fingers?

I'm intrigued tbh, I hope it's worth 2 hours of my life.

MOD EDIT: You can watch it here: http://www.tv3.ie/election2011-like-o-meter-holding.php
(Link courtesy of Permabear )

liammur

MagicMarker wrote: »

So are we all excited for our nation's first leader's debate before a general election? Are we hoping for a respectable discussion or 12 rounds of duckin' and diving and pointing fingers?

I'm intrigued tbh, I hope it's worth 2 hours of my life.

M Martin has no credibility, so the show is a waste of space. Hand back the €90K, that's the only debate i'm interested in.

MagicMarker

I can see that 90k coming up tonight.

liammur

MagicMarker wrote: »

I can see that 90k coming up tonight.

well it should, but in fairness, it's not just martin, ahern/cowen/dempsey should all be put under pressure to give it back. But it is ridiculous to hear of politicial reform and he keeping the 90K

Hide behind the post

liammur wrote: »

M Martin has no credibility, so the show is a waste of space. Hand back the €90K, that's the only debate i'm interested in.

Whether he gives up his severance is neither here nor there - its his legal entitlement if he so wishes - more wider issues at play - if he left ala cowen and co. he could have been in receipt of even more.

Health, public sector reform and restoring Ireland's credibility abroad are a tad more pressing in the grand scheme of things

Buceph

MagicMarker wrote: »

I can see that 90k coming up tonight.

If it does Labour will have lost any vote I would have given them. Pure sniping populism.

Hide behind the post

Buceph wrote: »

If it does Labour will have lost any vote I would have given them. Pure sniping populism.

Second that....amounts to mud slinging and serves only to detract from core issues.

Sir Oxman

Hide behind the post wrote: »

Whether he gives up his severance is neither here nor there - its his legal entitlement if he so wishes - more wider issues at play - if he left ala cowen and co. he could have been in receipt of even more.

Health, public sector reform and restoring Ireland's credibility abroad are a tad more pressing in the grand scheme of things

I'd suggest political reform is on the agenda, well according to Martin it is, therefore this disgraceful system of payments should be brought up.
He's been making a big deal of it - time to put our money where his mouth is.

Sunnyisland

I will be watching, I am not into all that talking over one another and i also think that any inappropriate payments should be brought up,The way ff is going on you think they just appeared in the country last week.

Sir Oxman

realies wrote: »

I will be watching, I am not into all that talking over one another and i also think that any inappropriate payments should be brought up,The way ff is going on you think they just appeared in the country last week.

I know, it's incredible.
I thought they'd at least have the grace to wait about 6 months after the election to start that type of revisionist shyte.

darragh16

Will they be leaving an empty chair in the studio?

Donal Og O Baelach

Two hours is way way too long for a 2 leader debate

Even the die-hard politico junkies will be nodding off by the 90 minute mark.

tim_holsters

Hide behind the post wrote: »

Second that....amounts to mud slinging and serves only to detract from core issues.

This is a core issue. Where do you think the money comes from?

That's right out of my f*cking pocket.

Kop on to yourself.

GSF

Hide behind the post wrote: »

Whether he gives up his severance is neither here nor there - its his legal entitlement if he so wishes - more wider issues at play - if he left ala cowen and co. he could have been in receipt of even more.

Health, public sector reform and restoring Ireland's credibility abroad are a tad more pressing in the grand scheme of things

No. Of course we shouln't expect any moral leadership from Martin.:mad:

liammur

tim_holsters wrote: »

This is a core issue. Where do you think the money comes from?

That's right out of my f*cking pocket.

Kop on to yourself.

Agreed, actions speak louder than words. Put up or shut up Martin.

The Pontiac

liammur wrote: »

well it should, but in fairness, it's not just martin, ahern/cowen/dempsey should all be put under pressure to give it back. But it is ridiculous to hear of politicial reform and he keeping the 90K

Mario Rosenstock did this on the politician's lump sums and pensions. It's excellent..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1drE4_suWV4

fifth

TV3 website are allowing viewers to vote during the show as to how they think the leaders are doing, so after all the talk about these debates being about 'policies' and giving the people a clear view of what each party is offering, we can see now that they were, after all, designed to be a spectacle and a popularity contest.

Fair play Enda for standing your ground on this one.

Permabear

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20Cent

This is going to be car crash tv. All anyone has to say to mehole is mention the 90 grand and that he's been central to the party that destroyed the country.
Enda will be laughing in Leitrim tonight.
Tv3 seem to be turning into Fox news.

Pity.

56lcd

I won't bother watching the two bride's maids fighting over the bouquet in the abscence of the bride to be

kev9100

Come on Gilmore. Hit it out of the park.

MagicMarker

Is there not even a studio audience? WTF! This is already a huge disappointment!!

leincar

At 8.00pm the voting on boards.ie/vote is as follows.

Votes Support1. Fine Gael 2,796. 32%2. Labour 2,248. 25.7%3. Independent 1,237 14.1%4. Sinn Féin 991 11.3%5. Fianna Fáil687 7.9% 6. Green Party 368 4.2% 7. Socialist Party 200 2.3% 8. People Before Profit 147 1.7% 9. Workers' Party 37 0.4% 10. Workers and Unemployed Action Group 19 0.2%11. South Kerry Independent Alliance15 0.2% 12. Christian Solidarity Party1 0%

It might be interesting to see if there is much change afterwards.

telekon

Is Mickey a bit nervous?!? Stumbling a bit. Out of character for him...

liammur

Martin looking nervous, he know he has made a balls of the country.

Mr.Micro

kev9100 wrote: »

Come on Gilmore. Hit it out of the park.

Gilmore will blow vacuous 90k Martin out of the water.

efb

Martin fluffed his opening statement.

deelite

Michael Martin should have practiced his opening speech a bit more. And the head (puppy dog style - veering to the left and then the right) not good.

brophya2007

leincar wrote: »

At 8.00pm the voting on boards.ie/vote is as follows.

1. Fine Gael 2,79632%

WOW

yoshytoshy

telekon wrote: »

Is Mickey a bit nervous?!? Stumbling a bit. Out of character for him...

A bit of the bertie stutter in there alright , Gilmore is looking like a stiff.

efb

Martin seems very nervous, afraid of Vinny B and Eamon G perhaps?

deelite

Martin answered his questioned to Vincent whereas Gilmore answered to Martin.

Eliot Rosewater

MagicMarker wrote: »

Is there not even a studio audience? WTF! This is already a huge disappointment!!

True. But the online voting thing is cool!

hotmail.com

MagicMarker wrote: »

Is there not even a studio audience? WTF! This is already a huge disappointment!!

There has never been an audience for a leaders debate because that could be polluted with party supporters.

Thargor

This is pointless, its like an extended version of Vincent Browne except poor Vinnie has been neutered, boring and pointless, Id be shocked if any new info on plans or policies was revealed tonight.

sollar

Its actually angering me now a little that enda is a no show. I hope in the debates he does do that he is exposed

murpho999

Anyone else bored already......this is a farce without Kenny being there....also no audience is a joke!

Permabear

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Eliot Rosewater

hotmail.com wrote: »

There has never been an audience for a leaders debate because that could be polluted with party supporters.

They did it in the UK debates. There were strict rules for audience members. It worked very well, I think. Audience members delivered questions, and invariably made them personal to their own lives, which I thought was nice.

MagicMarker

hotmail.com wrote: »

There has never been an audience for a leaders debate because that could be polluted with party supporters.

Doesn't seem to be a problem in the UK or US?

deelite

Watch Gilmore's tounge - not sure if it's a nervous twitch but I'm sure a body language expert will be able to judge.

scrubber72

Thats not a debate ffs. Why are they not standing behind podiums and no audience either. f this i am putting on the west wing box set.:rolleyes:

yoshytoshy

It's a TV3 stunt to cash in on the elections ,can't wait for the proper debates.
On an Irish station:D

Permabear

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Pauleta

Martin has been impressive so far.

Chucky the tree

Gilmore is getting quite a roasting.

UDAWINNER

seems like a typical v.browne show to me, boring!!!!!!!!!1

hotmail.com

What good will an audience do? All parties will not want an audience.

nanook

Gilmore is not hitting it out if the park. Martin is standing his ground stutter or no stutter.

Can't listen to Gilmore and thank good Kenny/noonan monster was a no show. He gave different reasons why he would not appear, can't back a fool.

fifth

Martin knows well he won't be next Taoiseach so all he has to do is keep the pressure on Gilmore who is underwhelming so far and there's only so much steam he can blow off before we get to the nitty gritty of Labour policies, let's see how they hold up.

20Cent

All negative from mehole.
Starting to talk over each other now.