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''Leader's'' Debate - TV3 - 8.00PM

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    #182
    Kasabian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    Martin is a failure, a big part of a failure of a Government that has destroyed Ireland. Let's not forget this.
    "We have turned a corner" will echo in the history of this contry.

    Eamonn is not coming across as a competent option as a leader.

    As for Enda, how can anyone send this man to EU and IMF, he is even afraid of Vincent ffs.

    Party Politics is going to destroy this country. :(

    Any chance of getting Gerry and Ian to comedown and sort this place out. :)


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    #183
    ascanbe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭ascanbe


    Mr.Micro wrote: »
    Does Martin actually have a policy on anything.....other than I dont agree with FG and Labour.

    His policy for this debate is to lie at a furious rate.


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    #184
    Inquitus
    Registered Users Posts: 13,734 ✭✭✭✭Inquitus


    ebbsy wrote: »
    Kenny the real winner here. Let the two boys achieve nowt.

    By ducking the debate and all the shocking PR he got from that, he is the biggest loser tonight.


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    #185
    killy09
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4 ✭killy09


    MM: i abolished the heath boards. bull. He amagamated the the healthboards and called it the hse and then put a new management layer on top


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    #186
    Tarobot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 181 ✭✭Tarobot


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.
    Exactly, it was the layer of management that refused to go after the health boards were abolished.

    HSE is not perfect by a long stretch but in international analyses, our health system has improved its rankings dramatically since health boards abolished.


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    #187
    Deepwell
    Registered Users Posts: 81 ✭✭Deepwell


    Come on Eamon, take the high moral ground - promise not to take the bonus and pension and ask MM to forgo his - its the least he can do for his role in this mess....


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    #188
    Leslie91
    Registered Users Posts: 4,017 ✭✭✭Leslie91


    Flimbos wrote: »
    Martin: "Eamon, talk about the future"..

    Let's not dwell on the past now Michéal :rolleyes:

    Summed him up for me. The last 13 years never happened. MM is a wanker.


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    #189
    Mr.Micro
    Registered Users Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    Martin slouching in his chair does not give a good impression.


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    #190
    SeaFields
    Registered Users Posts: 6,551 ✭✭✭SeaFields


    My internet feed just dropped. Cant watch any more of it. Have to say in my opinion MM comes across much better than EG so far who looks stumped at times and goes back to old rhetoric. Fine Gael surely the only ones who'll benefit from tonight.


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    #191
    ascanbe
    Registered Users Posts: 3,089 ✭✭✭ascanbe


    Tarobot wrote: »
    Exactly, it was the layer of management that refused to go after the health boards were abolished.

    HSE is not perfect by a long stretch but in international analyses, our health system has improved its rankings dramatically since health boards abolished.

    And the govt. who implemented it had no say in this? Was it completely impotent?


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    #192
    Drumpot
    Registered Users Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Deepwell wrote: »
    Come on Eamon, take the high moral ground - promise not to take the bonus and pension and ask MM to forgo his - its the least he can do for his role in this mess....

    I find it odd that in the debate about political reform the word "accountability" never comes up . .


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    #193
    Sir Oxman
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,492 ✭✭✭Sir Oxman


    BlaasForRafa wrote: »
    I wouldn't call this a debate since half the time they're shouting over each other. IMO neither man is coming off particularly well, theres a lot of petty sniping and Gilmore is letting Martin get away with accusations like Gilmore would have accepted the guarantee when he has multiple times said he wouldn't.

    Martins party helped ruin the country and Gilmore should be reading him out of it like Pat Rabbitte did to Pat Carey a few months ago.

    Also VB is an awful moderator, he's got no control at all.


    I agree with this - Gilmore is missing the chance to explain/counteract Martin when VB hands over to him, he appears to go off at a tangent.

    Has Martin explained anything about his partys policies?
    This appears to be the FF leader crossexamining the Labour leader!
    Which is bizarre - i'd prefer just VB doing each one on his own.


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    #194
    martin46585
    Closed Accounts Posts: 342 ✭✭martin46585


    If all that mm says is true, and something to be proud of, can someone shed some light as to how the country is in such a mess, especially on employment health, and the debt of course,


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    #195
    Flimbos
    Registered Users Posts: 642 ✭✭✭Flimbos


    Here we go...


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    #196
    Denerick
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,488 ✭✭✭Denerick


    Gilmore has been rather poor tonight, truth be told. The Gilmore Gale is deflating every day. Kenny is only strengthened by his abstinence.


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    #197
    telekon
    Registered Users Posts: 4,425 ✭✭✭telekon


    Subtle dig Vinnie! :D


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    #198
    pjmn
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    Duckworth_Luas wrote: »
    That would be the final nail in their coffin. FF propping up a FG government would cause even their most hardcore supporters to just walk away.

    Respect your opinion, and you may well be proved correct...

    My logic for making the statement as follows - a) I think their (FG & FF) policies are most closely aligned of all the parties and b) assuming (big assumption I know) that the economy does turn for the better over the life of the next administration then FF will want in some way to be associated with same, and supporting a minority government may be the way to go...

    As you say, their die-hards wouldn't like it, but I do think that's where MM sees himself taking FF (but I'll admit, what do I know.....)

    pjmn


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    #199
    Kasabian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    FF really believe that we haven't noticed what has happened in the last 14 years.


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    #200
    fifth
    Registered Users Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭fifth


    This should be interesting now! Will Gilmore capitalise?


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    #201
    hotmail.com
    Registered Users Posts: 13,038 ✭✭✭✭hotmail.com


    MM trips up on handshake.


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    #202
    kimberlite
    Registered Users Posts: 12 ✭kimberlite


    Gilmore..where are your policies? Micheál is by far the better debater!


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    #203
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Here we go......

    "If I'm elected to the next Dail I will be permanently losing money for the rest of my life"

    Absolutely stunningly misplaced sense of "entitlement".

    That statement alone should lose him his election and his seat.


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    #204
    LuckyLloyd
    Registered Users Posts: 36,133 ✭✭✭✭LuckyLloyd


    Gilmore exposed as every inch the career politician with no governmental experience.

    MM seems more informed, experienced and articulate.

    Wouldn't vote for either party, but find it distressing that Gilmore will be involved in running the country going forward.

    The Universal Health policy in particular, is ponies and unicorns.


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    #205
    Balmed Out
    Registered Users Posts: 4,713 ✭✭✭Balmed Out


    setting up the hse was a good thing, not laying anyone off when doing it was idiotic. id blame ahern and the unions for that more then martin. Hope they screw martin on that 90000 though


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    #206
    Tarobot
    Closed Accounts Posts: 181 ✭✭Tarobot


    ascanbe wrote: »
    And the govt. who implemented it had no say in this? Was it completely impotent?
    Of course but I don't think you realise the power of the unions in this country. In relation to the HSE, they know they can bring this country's hospitals to a stand still.

    Mary Harney had to face down the consultants who wanted more and more money. Not that she gets any credit for it.

    And who are the unions telling us to vote for? Labour.


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    #207
    Deepwell
    Registered Users Posts: 81 ✭✭Deepwell


    Just zoomed in on the label on the sole of MM's shoe.....think it reads 'Right' presume the other might say 'Left'.......


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    #208
    donal666
    Registered Users Posts: 63 ✭✭donal666


    Nail him Eamon!!


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    #209
    Kasabian
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭Kasabian


    Denerick wrote: »
    Gilmore has been rather poor tonight, truth be told. The Gilmore Gale is deflating every day. Kenny is only strengthened by his abstinence.

    Political abstinence?


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    #210
    Mr.Micro
    Registered Users Posts: 5,336 ✭✭✭Mr.Micro


    martin46585 wrote: »
    If all that mm says is true, and something to be proud of, can someone shed some light as to how the country is in such a mess, especially on employment health, and the debt of course,

    The way he is talking one would think we are a glowing success and its all down to him. :rolleyes:


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    #211
    BlaasForRafa
    Registered Users Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    martin46585 wrote: »
    If all that mm says is true, and something to be proud of, can someone shed some light as to how the country is in such a mess, especially on employment health, and the debt of course,

    They were all bona fide decisions taken in the best interests of the country don'tcha know....

    definitely not desperately grasping at any way they could save their buddies in the galway tent by saddling the country with their debts...oh no, definitely not.


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