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first date - go dutch?

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,613 ✭✭✭✭Clare Bear


    I've always gone halves no matter who I'm with or where we are. I thought most girls (apart from gold diggers) did the same.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,534 ✭✭✭FruitLover


    Iago wrote: »
    I would always offer my coat if the weather turned and was bad.


    I find it hard to believe I'm in the minority even in this day and age where manners and decorum seem to have gone right out the window.

    Manners, eh?

    Would you offer your coat to a bloke?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 375 ✭✭Curlypinkie


    ^^^ Of course:confused: Why wouldn't I?
    Happened so many times over here, a lot of guys don't bring jackets out, just stroll along in their tees or shirts and then clatter their teeth like little losers byt the end of the night. If I'm warm he can use my coat for a while.

    What's wrong with being a "spinster" as you call it? How can someone advocating equality use that funny word anyway?
    And I'm allergic to cats, I think it woudl be alsatians all the way for me.
    Oh, and the occasional toy boy.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭norrie rugger


    SarahSassy wrote: »
    It a personal choice and I would like to be treated on a first date and always have been. If a guy asks me for a drink I would pay for every second one but if he asked me to go to dinner then I would assume he is asking with the view to paying... I would offer but would in this case expect to be treated. Its basic manners. You cant ask someone to dinner and expect them to pay...

    I do also think it sets the bar for the future of the relationship.. Mean of wallet, mean of heart :rolleyes:


    Yes, because so many women ask guys out.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,092 ✭✭✭pseudonym1


    I buy my mates dinner occasionaly and vice versa - sometimes even go dutch :eek: Should it matter? All that should matter is having a good time and hopefully do it again.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭kingtut


    Oh, and the occasional toy boy.

    I'm here :p


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭kingtut


    Yes, because so many women ask guys out.

    It's a shame they don't :( It would be really nice for a girl to ask me out for a date......It is the 21st century for crying out loud. A girl has asked me for my number but never a date :(


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,883 ✭✭✭shellyboo


    kingtut wrote: »
    Why can't I find any girls like you :(


    *jumps up and down and waves*

    I'm over here!


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭kingtut


    shellyboo wrote: »
    *jumps up and down and waves*

    I'm over here!

    Looks over and smiles....walks over and excitedly says hi.....

    *Is very interested*


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,883 ✭✭✭shellyboo


    you walked the whole way from Cork? Impressive.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭kingtut


    shellyboo wrote: »
    you walked the whole way from Cork? Impressive.

    *thinks that shellyboo is probably worth the long walk*

    awaits private message from shellyboo so that he is not accused of sending the thread off topic :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,805 ✭✭✭✭Gary ITR


    kingtut wrote: »
    *thinks that shellyboo is probably worth the long walk*

    awaits private message from shellyboo so that he is not accused of sending the thread off topic :p

    Don't go out with her man... It'll cost you ore than the dinner. You may need to buy a new car too :mad::P


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,487 ✭✭✭kingtut


    Onkle wrote: »
    Don't go out with her man... It'll cost you ore than the dinner. You may need to buy a new car too :mad::P

    speaking from experience?? :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,805 ✭✭✭✭Gary ITR


    I was giving Shellyboo a lift last night and my car went on fire :p..... Seriously


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,656 ✭✭✭norrie rugger


    kingtut wrote: »
    It's a shame they don't :( It would be really nice for a girl to ask me out for a date......It is the 21st century for crying out loud. A girl has asked me for my number but never a date :(

    That's so that they will call, you suggest a date and then have to pay!!

    It's all a devious plan:D


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,883 ✭✭✭shellyboo


    Onkle wrote: »
    I was giving Shellyboo a lift last night and my car went on fire :p..... Seriously

    No word of a lie. That's how hot-t-t-t I am. Oh yeah. In my defence, however, he was only giving me a poxy lift from the bus, there was no date and no dinner bought for me, sniffle.

    On the plus side, he did hold open my door for me... and he didn't make me push the car or give out to me when I steered it into an enormous hole in the ground as it was being pushed. So he wasn't lying about being nice, ladies!

    I do however, owe HIM dinner now. Damn.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,875 ✭✭✭Seraphina


    I would always offer to pay half, but on the first date, if he asked me out, it would be nice if he payed. after that, i'm all about halfsies, or he pays for something then i pay for something i.e. i am seeing a guy now, we went bowling which he payed for and afterwards we went back to mine and i paid for pizza.

    however this guy that i am seeing now LOVES going to restaurants. he invited me out on our first date to quite a pricey place and informed me beforehand he was going to pay for everything cause he just likes going out to dinner. i would have liked to offer to pay half, but i am currently unemployed and simply couldn't afford it.

    i felt really guilty, but he has informed me my company is worth it :D this has happened a couple of times now, sometimes unexpectedly (like say we were out for a few drinks and he just said, lets get some food when i had NOT budgeted for dinner out) so i try and make up for it by nice homecooked meals etc. the monetary value isn't the same, but i DO put a lot of effort in, so i hope it makes up for it.

    fact is, i cannot afford to keep up with they way he wishes to socialise, and i have informed him, so he often pays or just buys drinks for me when we are out. i NEVER ask, and i always feel guilty but if he wishes to pay for me, thats his perogative.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 752 ✭✭✭JimmyCrackCorn!


    As a man im once again confused.
    Thanks again for clearing it up.


    My first date with my better half. I paid for dinner she paid for the cinema or was it the other way round.

    I dont remember but was it important in the first place?

    Id rather have a good time on a first date than worry about who paid for what. As for the impressing someone on a first date i was kinda hopeing to get to know the person rather than make it feel like a job interview.

    The one thing i do remember was the kiss good night though and the fantastic nervousness that only comes with a first kiss.:)


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,537 ✭✭✭Gyalist


    Chris Rock in his HBO special last month had a lot to say about this issue. I've uploaded a short clip of him expounding on the topic:




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 88 ✭✭Bruce11


    Ah well now thats the argument closed, Chris Rock is the definitive opinion.

    Maybe we should just throw the topic by Tommy Tiernan or Russell Brand/Jonathon Ross for some more thoughts??? :D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 508 ✭✭✭SW81


    I don't know many men that would pay for everything in this day and age and why should they. Unless they're suckers! :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 390 ✭✭idunnoutellme


    Gyalist wrote: »
    Chris Rock in his HBO special last month had a lot to say about this issue. I've uploaded a short clip of him expounding on the topic:




    Amen brother!! :D He speaks the truth - i cant deny it - my mind works exactly as he describes ha ha


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 295 ✭✭ibanez777vbk


    hi guys
    wandering about peoples opinions on this
    on a first date - no matter where you go : cinema, out for a meal, drinks
    do guys prefer to pay? do girls prefer guys to pay? or would you prefer goin dutch?

    just that i was out on a date last nite and well the guy didnt offer to pay - considering he's in a well paid job like and i always offer to go dutch anyway but kinda expect the guy to say 'no here i'll get this' you know, and when he didnt it kinda made me think he's cheap....
    like i went out and got my hair done for the date - i consider that my half of the bargain ha ha (joke)
    my name is mr crime..and crime never pays :) haha only joking,first date supose the bloke pays


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,889 ✭✭✭Third_Echelon


    Wibbs wrote: »
    +1. It can be a cultural thing too(and no, I'm not about to kick off a diatribe about Irish wimmin either).

    I have sadly found in general one either gets the "I pay for everything, because if I don't you'll expect something in return, Haaarumph!" Types(Word to the wise, I wouldn't), or "I'm gonna bat my eyelids at you and push my cleavage in your face so that I won't have to put my hand in my non existent pocket. Both equally daft, though I would have at least some respect for the former, though would write them off as partner material, simply because the harpy quotient would be too high for my tastes. The latter would not get far with me. As a callow youth I went out with the latter type. Life is too short. Both IMHO stem from the same source; insecurity. The strongest most centered women I know don't do either of those behaviours. They know who they are and take it from there(same goes for sound people of either gender).

    The third type of person that understands the dynamic and the reasoning behind it is all too rare, let me tell you, though thankfully they do exist.

    Look it's real bloody simple. It boils down to manners. That's it. I don't care what feminist manifesto or macho male crapola you've read. It boils down to manners. If I ask someone, essentially a stranger, out for a meal I expect to pay for it. Simple as that. If she asks me out I would expect her to pay as well. Drinkies afterwards we would be going dutch.

    I gauge this very easily. If I said to a male mate of mine, "look you've gone through the shíte recently, I'm bringing you out for a slap up meal and a few ales to take your mind off". I would not expect him to pay because I've made the suggestion. To do so would put undue pressure on him. Now that's a mate, not someone I don't know/I want to get the leg over/go out with. The dynamic re payment is the same.

    Lets imagine that same male mate or a woman I'm interested in. She agrees to the date. Cool and the gang. I then choose to drag her to some mad chew and chuck where the wine list alone kicks off in double figures. That was my choice as the instigator of the meeting. Should she(or he) expect to dig deep to cover that? Eh no.

    I take the same view with regard to buying women I don't know drinks. I simply don't. Never have as I wouldn't buy a pint for a bloke I didn't know either. If they're part of the group and a round comes to me then fine. Beyond that no.

    Wibbs the fountain of knowledge once again... Is there anything you don't know :p

    All makes sense to me. If I ask someone out on a first date, I'll pay the bill...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 649 ✭✭✭Peewee_lane


    The first time my partner asked me out to dinner, he paid, and when it moved onto the pub after, I got in as equal rounds as he did.

    About 3 dates later, I paid, and now a year and half in, we always treat each other or surprise each other with who foots the bill.

    When my mam was young free and single, a guy asked her out to dinner-and when he asked her if she wanted to go dutch, she pulled a face and said, " I'm sorry, but I thought you asked me out to dinner!" Now, he obviously ran a mile and then she met my dad, but there's this whole culture where whoever does the askin, does the payin!


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,882 ✭✭✭Rattlehead_ie


    Current partner and I : I paid for the drinks the 1st night, although she did offer. The 2nd date was 50/50 and always has been since, althought because she is in college I do tend to treat her a little bit more.

    1st date wise, I think a guy should offer to pay but by no means should it be expected.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 390 ✭✭idunnoutellme


    Current partner and I : I paid for the drinks the 1st night, although she did offer. The 2nd date was 50/50 and always has been since, althought because she is in college I do tend to treat her a little bit more.

    1st date wise, I think a guy should offer to pay but by no means should it be expected.

    So if he doesnt...what would you say about a guy like that?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9 CostelloeS


    I don't know about anyone else but i always try t pay when i am out with my gf. It feels weird being treated:eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 598 ✭✭✭ERR!


    i definatley do think that the guy should offer to pay,then i would offer to go halfsie but if he insitis then il let him.Id never expect s guy to pay but i think its nice wen they offer to pay for it all if its a first date!!:D


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 631 ✭✭✭ebmma


    my 2 cents:

    If someone offers to take me out for a movie or something, then I'd think guy intends to pay. However I won't be heartbroken if he doesn't and we go halves.

    If he says "do you wanna go see a movie after work?" I won't think he intends to pay, as it is just something to do together. Again, either way I'm happy.

    I don't mind paying for a guy if I know he's in a much worse situation financially. If I'd really like his company, it's no big deal. Of course it doesn't cover fancy dinners (as far as I'm concerned somebady with no money has no business going to gancy places).

    Now that I think of it guys almost always offered to pay for me, I assume because I never made a big deal out of it. And it never really meant anything profound.


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