All Covid stuff to Current Affairs

The Princess Bride · 10-03-2020 8:35pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv-34w8kGPM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9A7K-CwKA0

bcklschaps · 10-03-2020 8:38pm

The Princess Bride wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wv-34w8kGPM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-9A7K-CwKA0

Samantha Fox - I touch myself.

Is appreciated on every themed song list :-)

cj maxx · 10-03-2020 8:39pm

biko wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hl3cLDvNTrU

Catchy song

bcklschaps · 10-03-2020 8:41pm

Can the Mod insert the picture links for us plebians who only know how to do a basic link?

smurfjed · 10-03-2020 9:01pm

And yet where I live, we still get 2x100ML per workday for a group of 15 people and if not used they are thrown out.

So now I have a collection of 8 bottles and counting.

iamstop · 10-03-2020 9:04pm

To insert videos:

Motherof123 · 10-03-2020 9:26pm

smurfjed wrote: »

And yet where I live, we still get 2x100ML per workday for a group of 15 people and if not used they are thrown out.

So now I have a collection of 8 bottles and counting.

Lucky you

danois · 10-03-2020 9:47pm

Was asking in my local pharmacy and they said there was 1 Irish company that said they could supply them with hand sanitizer but the company was charging €6 ex vat. Understandably they said no. They didn’t want to look like the were profiteering. It’s a pity more pharmacy’s wouldn’t follow suit. They had masks too but even those they complained and apologised for the price. The pharmacist said that they used to be 50c a mask but they had to sell them at €2 each now as they were charged so much for them. They had to source them from NI. Hopefully things calm down soon.

smurfjed · 10-03-2020 9:55pm

Motherof123 wrote: »

Lucky you

And lots of toilet paper

TheValeyard · 10-03-2020 10:20pm

c68zapdsm5i1ru · 10-03-2020 10:23pm

Motherof123 wrote: »

Lucky you

You should contact a group such as your local active retirement and ask if anyone needs them. They will be snapped up.

Charles Babbage · 10-03-2020 10:26pm

Thompson twins,Doctor doctor

smurfjed · 10-03-2020 10:32pm

BellaBella, I’m not in ireland, hence the reason these are getting thrown out in the first place.

Turquoise Hexagon Sun · 10-03-2020 11:11pm

cjmc wrote: »

Me too. When I think it's fine all I get is a link

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Or use the YouTube icon on the top-right of the text box.

BuboBubo · 10-03-2020 11:31pm

When you gonna stop for me
You never stop
When you gonna stop for me
Myyyy corona.

.... gets coat, washes hands...

murpho999 · 10-03-2020 11:46pm

izzyflusky wrote: »

I'm currently on leave and don't have access to the research but I teach infection control as part of my job and the latest is a tendency to lean more towards alcohol hand rubs, mostly because of better adherence to its use and people tend to use a better technique compared to soap and water. It is also what we as trainers are being advised to teach.

Mind you, hands still need to be visibly clean and as I mentioned before, soap and water is a MUST after going to the toilet.

You're on leave but can't provide any simple website name to back up what you say?

I did a quick search on HSE, NHS in the UK and Dutch Department of Health (as I speak Dutch) and they all advice soap and water
Soap and warm water is the advice
Links below
HSE
NHS
Dutch Healh (In Dutch but "Zeep" is soap if you cannot translate the page.

WHO recommend both soap and water or sanitiser here.

So I think it's wrong of people to claim that sanitsers are essential and soap and water is not good enough.

Rothko · 10-03-2020 11:56pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQH2Kq1QXaI

carltonleon · 10-03-2020 11:57pm

murpho999 wrote: »

So I think it's wrong of people to claim that sanitsers are essential and soap and water is not good enough.

I think you probably need both...
So for example in work you go out to the toilets and then you wash your hands but to get out of the toilets you have to open a door by pulling on a handle, and then to get back into our section you have to swipe an ID card and type in a 4 digit code on a keypad and then pull a handle to open the door .... so basically your hand washing has been negated by opening doors and using a keypad that 50 or so people could have used/opened in the past hour ... so when you get back to your desk if you have hand sanitizer then you can use it to make sure that your hands are fully clean and virus free

NIMAN · 11-03-2020 12:02am

carltonleon wrote: »

I think you probably need both...
So for example in work you go out to the toilets and then you wash your hands but to get out of the toilets you have to open a door by pulling on a handle, and then to get back into our section you have to swipe an ID card and type in a 4 digit code on a keypad and then pull a handle to open the door .... so basically your hand washing has been negated by opening doors and using a keypad that 50 or so people could have used/opened in the past hour ... so when you get back to your desk if you have hand sanitizer then you can use it to make sure that your hands are fully clean and virus free

This is taking it all to extreme levels, there is no way you'll avoid germs if you start thinking about where they are.

Desk, mouse, phone, keyboards, mugs, door handles, etc......All have germs.

Don't overthink it or you'll go all OCD

Motherof123 · 11-03-2020 12:04am

I went to the chemist no hand sanitizer they said they will be going straight to hospitals now.
The large supermarkets have it on all entrance areas now which is brilliant and most shops have it by the tills.
I hope they don't run out any time soon.

Someone in the chemist me buy witch hazel and tea tree oil and make my own hand sanitizer with aloe Vera.
I'm all up for trying to make my own but if its not even going to be as effective then what's the point.
I'm talking now for when out and about after being on the bus etc obviously washing hands would be my first preference but sometimes after opening a door our touching the button on a pedestrian crossing you might just want some handy to clean your hands.
My kids always wear gloves on the bus going to school they are less likely to touch their faces with wool gloves.
I wear rubber gloves myself over having dermatitis while cleaning at home and I never touch my face with them as it would feel weird and your more aware of them so I think for most people maybe wearing gloves while working on tills etc would work well and just change them when you think you need to and wash hands then.
The hand sanitizer can burn sensitive hands or dermatitis.
Masks in one chemist I saw for €3.50 what a joke like. An insult if anything but if the suppliers have the prices hiked up then fair enough but it shows you who's who.
A pharmacy by me seeking hand sanitizer sprays 80% alcohol tiny thing €5.
One woman spent €60
They woman working in the chemist was scare mongering saying " we need to be prepared" everyone panic buying then.

I bought two. Gave them to my kids for school but they are encouraging extra hand washing even after irish dancing they tell them wash hands.

uch · 11-03-2020 12:08am

Winner

lulu1 · 11-03-2020 12:15am

Just checked Aderts there is some there

11-03-2020 12:19am

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HWAcw-861Sk

YOU DON'T NEED THIS DISEASE YOU DON'T
YOU DON'T NEED THIS DISEASE YOU DON'T
YOU DON'T NEED THIS DISEASE YOU DON'T
YOU DON'T NEED THIS DISEASE YOU DON'T
YOU DON'T NEED THIS DISEASE YOU DON'T
YOU DON'T NEED THIS DISEASE YOU DON'T
YOU DON'T NEED THIS DISEASE YOU DON'T
YOU DON'T NEED THIS DISEASE YOU DON'T
YOU DON'T

frillyleaf · 11-03-2020 12:27am

Motherof123 wrote: »

That's so true. I will not be returning to one place anyway they boarded up the door with boxes and you have to order from the door they wear masks and gloves Bit dramatic. Didn't put the prices up but told me stocks will run out so buy now

Where is this happening? How frightening that must be for older people to see that. Surely this is not a chemist behaving in this way

political analyst · 11-03-2020 12:28am

Here's an apt soundtrack. It can be heard 7 minutes and 48 seconds into the following clip - it will sound familiar to some people!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGm9jP6vlO8

11-03-2020 12:31am

Hand sanitizer is a waste of time and money. You get Covid19 primarily by breathing in airborne droplets.

Going around in public without a mask, rubbing overpriced sanitizer on your hands is akin to driving a car with a helmet but no seatbelt.

By all means wash your hands regularly; it's a good habit. It will not make a lick of difference to your chance of infection.

carltonleon · 11-03-2020 12:35am

NIMAN wrote: »

This is taking it all to extreme levels, there is no way you'll avoid germs if you start thinking about where they are.

Desk, mouse, phone, keyboards, mugs, door handles, etc......All have germs.

Don't overthink it or you'll go all OCD

I generally don’t and have no issue with door handles etc and was just giving that as an example but I think the point i was making is that people are trying to be extra careful at the moment so both washing and sanitizing in different situations may give them piece of mind...

Motherof123 · 11-03-2020 12:38am

frillyleaf wrote: »

Where is this happening? How frightening that must be for older people to see that. Surely this is not a chemist behaving in this way

A local chemist in cork I got an awful fright

Motherof123 · 11-03-2020 12:46am

carltonleon wrote: »

I generally don’t and have no issue with door handles etc and was just giving that as an example but I think the point i was making is that people are trying to be extra careful at the moment so both washing and sanitizing in different situations may give them piece of mind...

One shop I was in was cleaning the buttons on the card payment machine with an antibacterial wipe.
It's no harm anyway as we don't know 100% how contagious it is.
And I suppose everyone is trying their best for everyone else.
It gives people peace of mind.
It's extremely stressful for elderly or anyone with health issues.
It's actually stressful for everyone worried about their family members kids etc.
but I think the news is what sparks all that fear.
I find if I Keep it simple follow the HSE guide lines and it's pretty straight forward.
Then there is a few cleaning accounts on Instagram with great cleaning hacks tricks that would save buying the antibacterial cleaners. Like buy the dettol liquid that you dilute. I always have dettol antibacterial cleaning spray products the Odour less ones anyway having young kids.
Those cleaning products would be good if you had someone at home who tested positive and needed to self quarantine. So they could wipe down surfaces after isolation.

nyarlothothep · 11-03-2020 1:03am

Not exactly plaguey but the video is suitably doomy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aDaOgu2CQtI

murpho999 · 11-03-2020 1:08am

carltonleon wrote: »

I think you probably need both...
So for example in work you go out to the toilets and then you wash your hands but to get out of the toilets you have to open a door by pulling on a handle, and then to get back into our section you have to swipe an ID card and type in a 4 digit code on a keypad and then pull a handle to open the door .... so basically your hand washing has been negated by opening doors and using a keypad that 50 or so people could have used/opened in the past hour ... so when you get back to your desk if you have hand sanitizer then you can use it to make sure that your hands are fully clean and virus free

Really, you can't go through life and sanitise your hands after each time you have contact with something that has been touched briefly by another person.

I really don't think that's how the virus is being spread and it's more from human contact and air borne etc.

murpho999 · 11-03-2020 1:10am

Deleted User wrote: »

Hand sanitizer is a waste of time and money. You get Covid19 primarily by breathing in airborne droplets.

Going around in public without a mask, rubbing overpriced sanitizer on your hands is akin to driving a car with a helmet but no seatbelt.

By all means wash your hands regularly; it's a good habit. It will not make a lick of difference to your chance of infection.

The advice is that wearing a mask will not stop you getting the virus.

A mask will prevent a carrier from spreading it not the other way round.

ILoveYourVibes · 11-03-2020 2:19am

My mother is doing this. She keeps producing bottles of 100% rubbing alcohol from nowhere so i know she has a stash.

She also has masks. Not just one type ..many types.

I keep getting the rubbing alcohol on my clothes and its bleaching them! There are spots of white everywhere!

ohnonotgmail · 11-03-2020 10:08am

Deleted User wrote: »

Hand sanitizer is a waste of time and money. You get Covid19 primarily by breathing in airborne droplets.

Going around in public without a mask, rubbing overpriced sanitizer on your hands is akin to driving a car with a helmet but no seatbelt.

By all means wash your hands regularly; it's a good habit. It will not make a lick of difference to your chance of infection.

Yeah people should really listen to you and ignore the advice from doctors. Breathing in airborne is only one way of contracting the virus. You can catch it from touching surfaces that infected people have touched and subsequently touching your face. washing your hands regularly reduces that risk.

iamwhoiam · 11-03-2020 10:40am

Deleted User wrote: »

Hand sanitizer is a waste of time and money. You get Covid19 primarily by breathing in airborne droplets.

Going around in public without a mask, rubbing overpriced sanitizer on your hands is akin to driving a car with a helmet but no seatbelt.

By all means wash your hands regularly; it's a good habit. It will not make a lick of difference to your chance of infection.

I think people should listen to the WHO and doctors and not random ill informed posters online .

11-03-2020 11:22am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Yeah people should really listen to you and ignore the advice from doctors. Breathing in airborne is only one way of contracting the virus. You can catch it from touching surfaces that infected people have touched and subsequently touching your face. washing your hands regularly reduces that risk.

iamwhoiam wrote: »

I think people should listen to the WHO and doctors and not random ill informed posters online .

There is little to no evidence that it is spread by touching an object and then touching ones face. It may be possible but anyone with any knowledge on the subject will tell you it is not the primary infection vector.

There is a mountain of evidence that it spreads primarily via respitory droplets. Which should be common sense.

People are being told to wash hands in order to avoid a panic. People like to feel like they are doing something. The effectiveness of masks is being downplayed because they are in short supply.

"The virus is thought to spread mainly from person-to-person.

Between people who are in close contact with one another (within about 6 feet).
Through respiratory droplets produced when an infected person coughs or sneezes.

These droplets can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs.
Can someone spread the virus without being sick?

People are thought to be most contagious when they are most symptomatic (the sickest).
Some spread might be possible before people show symptoms; there have been reports of this occurring with this new coronavirus, but this is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads.

Spread from contact with contaminated surfaces or objects

It may be possible that a person can get COVID-19 by touching a surface or object that has the virus on it and then touching their own mouth, nose, or possibly their eyes, but this is not thought to be the main way the virus spreads."

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/transmission.html

ohnonotgmail · 11-03-2020 11:40am

Deleted User wrote: »

There is little to no evidence that it is spread by touching an object and then touching ones face. It may be possible but anyone with any knowledge on the subject will tell you it is not the primary infection vector.

There is a mountain of evidence that it spreads primarily via respitory droplets. Which should be common sense.

People are being told to wash hands in order to avoid a panic. People like to feel like they are doing something. The effectiveness of masks is being downplayed because they are in short supply.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/transmission.html

so it is possible to be infected by touching surfaces so washing your hands is not a complete waste of time as you insist.

11-03-2020 11:51am

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

so it is possible to be infected by touching surfaces so washing your hands is not a complete waste of time as you insist.

Skydivers wear helmets because sometimes they collide in mid-air or bump their head upon landing. Wearing a helmet is not a waste of time.

Wearing a helmet but not a parachute is a waste of time.

Do you see how something can be either a waste of time, or not a waste of time ? The order in which protection measures are implemented is extremely important.

If you are walking around in public without a mask, regular hand-washing will have a negligible effect on your likelihood of infection.

Cordell · 11-03-2020 11:52am

No, washing your hands is not a complete waste of time, if anything it will prevent you from getting other things, and being sick with anything now is the last thing you and the healthcare needs.

ohnonotgmail · 11-03-2020 11:55am

Deleted User wrote: »

Skydivers wear helmets because sometimes they collide in mid-air or bump their head upon landing. Wearing a helmet is not a waste of time.

Wearing a helmet but not a parachute is a waste of time.

Do you see how something can be either a waste of time, or not a waste of time ? The order in which protection measures are implemented is extremely important.

If you are walking around in public without a mask, regular hand-washing will have a negligible effect on your likelihood of infection.

who mentioned masks? they are a waste of time for people not already infected.

11-03-2020 12:08pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

who mentioned masks? they are a waste of time for people not already infected.

LOL

ohnonotgmail · 11-03-2020 12:19pm

Deleted User wrote: »

LOL

Perhaps you should have a good look at the CDC pages you linked to.

Wear a facemask if you are sick

If you are sick: You should wear a facemask when you are around other people (e.g., sharing a room or vehicle) and before you enter a healthcare provider’s office. If you are not able to wear a facemask (for example, because it causes trouble breathing), then you should do your best to cover your coughs and sneezes, and people who are caring for you should wear a facemask if they enter your room. Learn what to do if you are sick.

If you are NOT sick: You do not need to wear a facemask unless you are caring for someone who is sick (and they are not able to wear a facemask). Facemasks may be in short supply and they should be saved for caregivers.

Take steps to protect yourself

Clean your hands often

Wash your hands often with soap and water for at least 20 seconds especially after you have been in a public place, or after blowing your nose, coughing, or sneezing.

If soap and water are not readily available, use a hand sanitizer that contains at least 60% alcohol. Cover all surfaces of your hands and rub them together until they feel dry.

Avoid touching your eyes, nose, and mouth with unwashed hands.

Note that they do not say to use face masks to protect yourself. because they dont that. You wear a face mask if you are sick to protect others.

11-03-2020 12:27pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

Note that they do not say to use face masks to protect yourself. because they dont that. You wear a face mask if you are sick to protect others.

This is nonsense that began to be circulate online in the past two months.

ohnonotgmail · 11-03-2020 12:28pm

Deleted User wrote: »

This is nonsense that began to be circulate online in the past two months.

so you are right and the CDC, WHO and pretty much every other medical organisation is wrong? can you tell us when you got your PhD in epidemiology?

SozBbz · 11-03-2020 12:29pm

Deleted User wrote: »

This is nonsense that began to be circulate online in the past two months.

Circulate online? Every expert, Cheif Medical Officer etc is saying the same thing.

But we should believe you, some internet randomer.

Grand so.

11-03-2020 12:53pm

SozBbz wrote: »

Circulate online? Every expert, Cheif Medical Officer etc is saying the same thing.

But we should believe you, some internet randomer.

Grand so.

You should research it for yourself. Look for some peer reviewed studies, medical guidelines, medical textbooks etc. Filter out the tabloid articles that started popping up in the past months; assuming that you know how to do this.

sbsquarepants · 11-03-2020 12:58pm

Deleted User wrote: »

You should research it for yourself. Look for some peer reviewed studies, medical guidelines, medical textbooks etc. Filter out the tabloid articles that started popping up in the past months; assuming that you know how to do this.

Or....save yourself a bit of time and go with what the HSE and the WHO say!

Antares35 · 11-03-2020 2:20pm

Have no desire to wade in on an online v WHO v tabloid debate but the CDC states that the virus "droplets can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs". It isn't much of a leap therefore to assume that a mask, which will provide a barrier over the mouth and nose, might offer a form of protection to an uninfected person?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/transmission.html

I might be cynical but is it possible that the advice for uninfected people not to use masks is informed by a need to preserve supplies?

Princess Calla · 11-03-2020 2:30pm

Antares35 wrote: »

Have no desire to wade in on an online v WHO v tabloid debate but the CDC states that the virus "droplets can land in the mouths or noses of people who are nearby or possibly be inhaled into the lungs". It isn't much of a leap therefore to assume that a mask, which will provide a barrier over the mouth and nose, might offer a form of protection to an uninfected person?

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/about/transmission.html

I might be cynical but is it possible that the advice for uninfected people not to use masks is informed by a need to preserve supplies?

No I think its more from the point of view that wearing a mask is alien to most people, so you will spend more time touching your face and readjusting it.

The more you touch your face the higher the risk of infection.

Plus the masks aren't a snug fit so potentially airborne can still sneak in.

But they will act as a barrier against the main exhale of an infected person, but again not a snug fit so potential for escape, but better than no barrier.

SozBbz · 11-03-2020 2:36pm

Princess Calla wrote: »

No I think its more from the point of view that wearing a mask is alien to most people, so you will spend more time touching your face and readjusting it.

The more you touch your face the higher the risk of infection.

Plus the masks aren't a snug fit so potentially airborne can still sneak in.

But they will act as a barrier against the main exhale of an infected person, but again not a snug fit so potential for escape, but better than no barrier.

All of this, plus they don't cover your eyes, so again not giving real protection.

Also, they're more effective preventing sick people from passing the virus than protecting the uninfected. So if we do only have a limited amount, arent they better being used by said sick people? Or for medical professinals who have to get up close and personal with those already infected?

Keep your distance, wash your hands and be sensible.

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