The Weird, Wacky and Awesome World of the NFL - General Banter thread V3

Huge difference in scheming around a missing player for a few games - it is tough for defenses to plan around their tendencies - but when they are playing a group of players every week they can plan and the team runs out of surprises.

Adams and Hill are so good that defenses can devote significant resources to them and they can still make them wrong. For the first 49ers v GB game last season they were obviously trying to stop Adams yet he had 12 receptions, the next highest Packer had 3.

That whole thing is very strange. Rumours of issues between Brady and Arians as Brady announces that he is leaving the Bucs (never using the word retirement). Arians retires either just before or just after Brady announces he's coming back (after the Glazers had him in Old Trafford). Arians claims that he chose to retire to help Bowles when if true he could have left Bowles with a much stronger team by retiring a season earlier. Absolutely no word that Brady is unhappy with coming out of retirement and his HC leaving. Really stinks that either Brady got the Glazers to push Arians into the front office or Arians decided he'd rather move to a cushy job in the front office rather than deal with his issues and politics with Brady.

Brady only has one more year on his contract and the Bucs said they weren't trading him even when 'retired' without the other team paying a load of picks. If Brady plays another year after this coming season I very much doubt it'll be with the Bucs.

No one really knows aside from Brady and Arians themselves but the story they're telling doesn't match the actions of those involved.

Not sure I get this one from a Patriots perspective. He is a good player but consistently injured and I would have thought they'd want someone more explosive than Parker to make the most of Jones' skillset. Parker had his best season with Fitzmagic playing yolo ball which I doubt the Patriots are suddenly going to shift to. I get he has a cheapish contract but it is only due to some poor moves last offseason that they couldn't afford Cooper or even Woods for less draft capital.

It is always a scary proposition trading in division but presume Dolphins are happy with the move. They saved cap space of a guy who was never going to see much of the ball even if he could stay healthy - McDaniel game plan will likely be heavy run focus, at that stage he is their 4th or 5th target option, and he doesn't fit the type of receiver that would get a large target share (more for guys with bigger YAC ability while getting a cheap guy to be possession receiver). Dolphins have really have set themselves up well to make a move for a QB in either trade or draft next year if Tua doesn't work out.

I agree, Eagles snapped their hand off accepting that trade I'd say. I wonder if the Saints are planning another trade to move up again, packaging those 2 firsts I guess. Eagles nicely placed with 2 firsts next year if Hurts doesn't convince.

Great trade from an Eagles perspective - consensus that this is a weak enough draft and with 3 1sts it was obvious they'd be very interested in getting one next year and yet still got a lot from the Saints.

Can't see what the Saints are doing at this stage - if they want a certain QB they'll likely need to move up further so why not make the bigger jump up at this stage, either directly with one of the earlier teams or in a three way trades. Don't think an unknown extra mid-round pick is worth what they paid in this draft, especially with the risk of their 2023 pick being pretty early (new HC, depleted roster, a post serious injury Jameis or a rookie QB leading).

i say they are going to trade the picks and move up for a QB, its the only logical explanation

But they didn't just move up, they now have two first rounders. If they wanted to jump ahead of the Chargers they could have just moved up without the need to add an extra first rounder. To me, it makes no sense unless it's the first in a series of moves to get into the early picks and take a QB.

Felt this was eventually going to come given how the 49ers have approached signing their home developed players - both Kittle & Warner went right up to camp after some very angry exchanges - but this issue with Deebo seems sounds like he isn't happy with the 'Wide Back' role he played this year, probably worried about long term health, and/or came in expecting to be the highest paid WR (even post Hill & Adams). I am all about players getting paid but not a huge fan of how he has gone about it, especially compared to Metcalf who wants a contract and lost his star QB but has been quiet enough and still showed up to voluntary camp.

I'd hesitate to make Deebo the highest paid WR due to his comparably small sample size and injury history but would have been fine if the team did it, with the cap exploding and hopefully having Jimmy off the books before the season starts (49ers would have the 2nd most cap space in the league if he was cut/traded right now).

If both sides can't sort this out I'd expect a similar or better return than Adams/Hill trades. Though the concerns above are still valid, Deebo is considerably younger than those other two players so has much more long term value and in addition the 49ers have much more leverage - Deebo only due less than $5m this coming year so not a burden if he holds out/in.

He is one of the best weapons in the league so obviously a step down for the 49ers though my point regarding the impact of the loss of Hill to the Chiefs isn't quite the same for the 49ers as the change in QB style with Lance coming in will likely mean that the team will be shifting approach away from what made Deebo such a star last season so the team is likely selling at his highest point.

what would it take to get Deebo, would a first and second round pick get him?