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    #182
    godtabh
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 23,204 Mod ✭✭✭✭godtabh


    User_Name17 wrote: »
    The plan is to completely bypass Kilternan and create a new link road to the M50.


    http://www.dlrcoco.ie/sites/default/files/atoms/files/kiltiernan_map.pdf

    You should see what Carrickmines has planned!


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    #183
    BBMcQ
    Registered Users Posts: 1,320 ✭✭✭BBMcQ


    godtabh wrote: »
    You should see what Carrickmines has planned!

    Any link? Further info?


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    #184
    hello92
    Registered Users Posts: 18 ✭hello92


    Does anyone know anything about when the next phase will be?


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    #185
    ClareDoyle80
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭ClareDoyle80


    So I went on to dlrcoco's website to see the planning permission for how many and type of houses there is planned as we'd like to buy there and
    1) There is planning permission that was refused for Durkan a little down the road from where the development is
    2)there doesn't seem to be any permission in place on the planning search map for the development

    Am I missing something or will this development be liable for planning enforcement action?

    The reasons for refusal were stated:
    Having regard to the Dun Laoghaire Rathdown County Development Plan, 2010-2016 and to the existing pattern of development in the area, it is considered that the proposed development, by reason of its design and layout, fails to adequately respond to its context and topography or integrate successfully within its environment. As such, it would be seriously injurious to the amenity of property in the area, to the future occupants of the development and would, therefore, be contrary to the proper planning and sustainable development of the area. 2. The proposed public open space provided for the overall development is considered to be substandard and unacceptable by reason of its size, design, sloping aspect, accessibility and usability and would, therefore, not provide an acceptable level of open space for the future occupants of the development. No arboricultural report was submitted as part of the planning application and it does not, therefore, comply with Section 16.6.1: Public Open Space Provision, of the Dun Laoghaire Rathdown County Development Plan, 2010-2016. The proposed development would, therefore, seriously injure the amenities of future occupants and is contrary to the proper planning and sustainable development of the area 3. The proposed development is deficient in the quantum and quality of private open space, particularly in relation to rear garden depths and quality of open space to dwellings adjoining permitted development to the south of the site. The proposed development would, therefore, contravene Section 16.3.2 (iv) and Policy RES14 of the Dun Laoghaire Rathdown County Development Plan, 2010-2016 and the Sustainable Residential Development in Urban Areas Ministerial Guidelines (May 2009) and the accompanying Best Practice Urban Design Manual, and would, therefore, seriously injure the residential amenity of the future occupants of the scheme and would be contrary to the proper planning and sustainable development of the area.


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    #186
    User_Name17
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭User_Name17


    ClareDoyle80 wrote: »
    So I went on to dlrcoco's website to see the planning permission for how many and type of houses there is planned as we'd like to buy there and
    1) There is planning permission that was refused for Durkan a little down the road from where the development is
    2)there doesn't seem to be any permission in place on the planning search map for the development

    Am I missing something or will this development be liable for planning enforcement action?

    The reasons for refusal were stated:
    Having regard to the Dun Laoghaire Rathdown County Development Plan, 2010-2016 and to the existing pattern of development in the area, it is considered that the proposed development, by reason of its design and layout, fails to adequately respond to its context and topography or integrate successfully within its environment. As such, it would be seriously injurious to the amenity of property in the area, to the future occupants of the development and would, therefore, be contrary to the proper planning and sustainable development of the area. 2. The proposed public open space provided for the overall development is considered to be substandard and unacceptable by reason of its size, design, sloping aspect, accessibility and usability and would, therefore, not provide an acceptable level of open space for the future occupants of the development. No arboricultural report was submitted as part of the planning application and it does not, therefore, comply with Section 16.6.1: Public Open Space Provision, of the Dun Laoghaire Rathdown County Development Plan, 2010-2016. The proposed development would, therefore, seriously injure the amenities of future occupants and is contrary to the proper planning and sustainable development of the area 3. The proposed development is deficient in the quantum and quality of private open space, particularly in relation to rear garden depths and quality of open space to dwellings adjoining permitted development to the south of the site. The proposed development would, therefore, contravene Section 16.3.2 (iv) and Policy RES14 of the Dun Laoghaire Rathdown County Development Plan, 2010-2016 and the Sustainable Residential Development in Urban Areas Ministerial Guidelines (May 2009) and the accompanying Best Practice Urban Design Manual, and would, therefore, seriously injure the residential amenity of the future occupants of the scheme and would be contrary to the proper planning and sustainable development of the area.
    http://planning.dlrcoco.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=D10A/0716&theTabNo=3&backURL=%3Ca%20href=wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=2001816%3ESearch%20Criteria%3C/a%3E%20%3E%20%3Ca%20href=%27wphappsearchres.displayResultsURL?ResultID=2316682%26StartIndex=1%26SortOrder=rgndat:desc%26DispResultsAs=WPHAPPSEARCHRES%26BackURL=%3Ca%20href=wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=2001816%3ESearch%20Criteria%3C/a%3E%27%3ESearch%20Results%3C/a%3E


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    #187
    ClareDoyle80
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭ClareDoyle80


    Stail Asail wrote: »
    I dunno, not sure, i'll look into it definitely but, which one of the other multiple posters/usernames on this thread are you first of all? suitecheex/jm1983/sunshine909?

    The dlrcoco website isn't very clear at all. Going into the offices to see plans this morning.

    I'm unfortunately not a multiple poster or username? We are currently looking for a home in the area and saw the development and this conversation came up on google?


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    #188
    ClareDoyle80
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭ClareDoyle80


    User_Name17 wrote: »

    Great! How did you managed to find that???

    Looks like the next phase will just be apartments? It says Kilternan property LTD as the applicant, you sure that's the right one? Is it not Durkan?
    Had a better look at the permission and its not longer valid. It was granted after appeal in 2012 which would be mean its no longer valid. They would have to reapply.


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    #189
    godtabh
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    ClareDoyle80 wrote: »
    Great! How did you managed to find that???

    Looks like the next phase will just be apartments? It says Kilternan property LTD as the applicant, you sure that's the right one? Is it not Durkan?
    Had a better look at the permission and its not longer valid. It was granted after appeal in 2012 which would be mean its no longer valid. They would have to reapply.

    Developers will development specific companies for each site that will be controlled by the parent company i.e Durkan


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    #190
    Graham
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    Sorry for the delay reopening the thread folks.


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    #191
    Catkelly80
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭Catkelly80


    People defo had tip off that these houses were going on sale the last time. They were queuing Wednesday night and email only went out the next morning. The next houses are suppose to go on sale in September - I will be driving up every night to see if there is anyone there because they had a feeling they were going on sale!! . A few people will always have the inside track !!


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    #192
    Gabrielle2010
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭Gabrielle2010


    Catkelly80 wrote: »
    People defo had tip off that these houses were going on sale the last time. They were queuing Wednesday night and email only went out the next morning. The next houses are suppose to go on sale in September - I will be driving up every night to see if there is anyone there because they had a feeling they were going on sale!! . A few people will always have the inside track !!

    I initially thought that myself, especially after reading this stuff on Boards.ie however I ran into an old work colleague who purchased one of the homes in Bishopsgate and she told me the lengths they went to. They were second in the queue. Her husband did drive byes every day on his lunch hour. The person first in the queue went up every day. This was for 6 weeks before launch. My colleague's husband saw something was happening on the wednesday and started the queue after the first person. The phones started to ring at that stage between people. It's the desperation people have now in seeking a home. I don't find the EA's communication to be clear at all and my husband and myself have been told different things in relation to the next phase.
    We've just gone sale agreed (again) on another home, please God we don't have to look further!


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    #193
    Viscount Aggro
    Registered Users Posts: 1,176 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    Have you seen the stone signage at the entrance? I do not like the Durkan name permanently chiselled into the sign. Its a permanent corporate advertisement. I want it removed.


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    #194
    markpb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,254 ✭✭✭markpb


    Viscount Aggro wrote: »
    Have you seen the stone signage at the entrance? I do not like the Durkan name permanently chiselled into the sign. Its a permanent corporate advertisement. I want it removed.

    If an Owner's Management Company is created, it should have the authority to replace the sign (at the owners own expense).


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    #195
    JohnnyMacMan
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭JohnnyMacMan


    Any chance someone who secured a 3 bed has the dimensions for all the floors? Looking to start getting ballpark cost figures together.


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    #196
    hello92
    Registered Users Posts: 18 ✭hello92


    JohnnyMacMan wrote: »
    Any chance someone who secured a 3 bed has the dimensions for all the floors? Looking to start getting ballpark cost figures together.

    I was trying to get the same info for the 3 beds - tried emailing the estate agent but never got a reply! Surely they should have that information though..


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    #197
    [Deleted User]
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    hello92 wrote: »
    I was trying to get the same info for the 3 beds - tried emailing the estate agent but never got a reply! Surely they should have that information though..

    Hi have you been given a date for moving in?

    The DLRD plans will give you a rough idea of the internal dimensions.
    http://planning.dlrcoco.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=D10A/0716&theTabNo=3


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    #198
    louser1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37 ✭louser1


    Any word on phase 3?


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    #199
    hello92
    Registered Users Posts: 18 ✭hello92


    ronoc wrote: »
    Hi have you been given a date for moving in?

    The DLRD plans will give you a rough idea of the internal dimensions.
    http://planning.dlrcoco.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=D10A/0716&theTabNo=3

    Hey - so yeah they're saying Nov/Dec buy my guess is it will be more like Jan/Feb!


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    #200
    beach100
    Registered Users Posts: 2 ✭beach100


    Hi has anyone who has secured an Orchid Type A have a better idea of the internal layout or sizes of the rooms? Thanks

    Also any idea when 3rd phase is being released.


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    #201
    pookakie
    Registered Users Posts: 18 ✭pookakie


    beach100 wrote: »
    Hi has anyone who has secured an Orchid Type A have a better idea of the internal layout or sizes of the rooms? Thanks

    Also any idea when 3rd phase is being released.

    Is there definitely a 3rd phase planned? I can only see the plans for a 2nd phase on the DLRCC site.


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    #202
    beach100
    Registered Users Posts: 2 ✭beach100


    I think there is a 3rd phase, I thought there was people already on a list for it


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    #203
    Des perate Bishop
    Registered Users Posts: 1 ✭Des perate Bishop


    Hey all,

    Just seeing if there is anyone on this thread has bought in BG and is waiting to move in? It seems to be delay after delay.


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    #204
    bishops
    Registered Users Posts: 9 ✭bishops


    Des perate Bishop wrote: »
    Hey all,

    Just seeing if there is anyone on this thread has bought in BG and is waiting to move in? It seems to be delay after delay.

    we're going to move next week✌


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    #205
    bishops
    Registered Users Posts: 9 ✭bishops


    Des perate Bishop wrote: »
    Hey all,

    Just seeing if there is anyone on this thread has bought in BG and is waiting to move in? It seems to be delay after delay.

    we're going to move in ...


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    #206
    Viscount Aggro
    Registered Users Posts: 1,176 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    Whats going with the field up the back - have they bought more land for another development phase?
    I can see loads of construction materials and plant equipment stored up there.


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    #207
    Hardtochoose
    Closed Accounts Posts: 328 ✭✭Hardtochoose


    Any idea what the construction work at the entrance is about, looks like they’re putting up wooden hoarding. is this for a new phase?


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    #208
    ruaneg
    Registered Users Posts: 126 ✭✭ruaneg


    Just to echo Hardtochoose, anybody know when the next phase is ready? They seem to be advertising a release in Spring '19 atm.


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    #209
    TomasMacR
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 262 ✭✭TomasMacR


    New phase on sale today


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    #210
    aoifeNi2566
    Registered Users Posts: 2 ✭aoifeNi2566


    The best advice we got buying a new house was to talk to residents living there already (preferably from earlier phases-living there 1 year or so)- you'll find out quick enough what issues there were and what the builders/developers were like in fixing the issues. Call to 5/6 houses and you'll get a very good idea on standards and ethics of builder/developer!


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    #211
    Viscount Aggro
    Registered Users Posts: 1,176 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    Site for sale beside it...

    https://www.irishtimes.com/business/commercial-property/south-dublin-site-with-potential-scope-for-200-homes-guiding-at-17m-1.3905766


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