Bishops Gate Kilternan

dbagman

Viscount Aggro wrote:

They could be a hard sell. Its out in the sticks. Check out the small development up the road, theres still a few for sale after many months on market.

What a difference 5 months make.......

Lumen

Dearg81 wrote: »

It is quite normal now but whether you like it is a different topic

It's not about liking it, it's about the fact that the last time this was "normal now" we were in the midst of an economy-killing bubble, and that has quite rightly imprinted itself negatively on the psyche of the people.

It's fine to argue the toss about whether this time is different, but at least recognise why people are twitchy.

emmacxxx

Viscount Aggro wrote: »

Is this the place with the council housing right across the road?

If you're talking about the small estate with about 10 houses across from it then yes. I happen to know 2 people who live in there and it's a much older generation in that estate with absolutely no hassle!

dbagman

Lumen wrote:

I do think it's a bit funny how people reject Dublin 15 as an option citing poor transport options (25 minutes from Clonsilla to Docklands) but crawl over each other to pay twice as much for a 45 minute commute in South Dublin.

Moved to d15 late last year and love it. Have 2 bus routes with in 5 mins walk of my doorstep. The blanch centre a short hop away and as mentioned a decent rail service a 5 minute drive from my house too. House prices aren't too bad in the area and in general it seems a lovely place. Couldn't get over how much house we got for a good chunk less than 300k.

ionapaul

Viscount Aggro wrote: »

Is this the place with the council housing right across the road?

There's a big social housing estate down at the Ballyogan stop on the Luas, are you thinking of that? That's a decent walk away, but the nearest Luas stop I think.

As someone mentioned earlier, the rush hour Luas is going to get very busy in the next few years; they are bringing in longer trams to deal with it, but once Clay Farm (Leopardstown Valley stop) and Cherrywood (end of the line) ramp up I can see all morning trams being standing room only from Leopardstown Valley onwards, which will make things awkward for me (at The Gallops stop) and the sizable crowds at Glencairn and Central Park.

markpb

ionapaul wrote: »

As someone mentioned earlier, the rush hour Luas is going to get very busy in the next few years; they are bringing in longer trams to deal with it, but once Clay Farm (Leopardstown Valley stop) and Cherrywood (end of the line) ramp up I can see all morning trams being standing room only from Leopardstown Valley onwards, which will make things awkward for me (at The Gallops stop) and the sizable crowds at Glencairn and Central Park.

NTA have the option of running more trams between Cherrywood and Sandyford which might help.

Lumen

Lumen wrote: »

It's not about liking it, it's about the fact that the last time this was "normal now" we were in the midst of an economy-killing bubble, and that has quite rightly imprinted itself negatively on the psyche of the people.

It's fine to argue the toss about whether this time is different, but at least recognise why people are twitchy.

I bought off plans a number of months ago from a cancellation.

I've been to a few different viewings of new builds around South Dublin in the past few months leading up to this one. None seemed to have sold out as quickly as Bishops Gate.

sunshine909

ronoc wrote: »

None seemed to have sold out as quickly as Bishops Gate.

Well when they only release a handful at a time it's not surprising they sell so quickly!!

We were there on Friday morning, about 9am, we're close to the top of the cancellation list for a 3 and 4 bed house. There wasn't a massive queue like other releases, maybe only 5 people by 9.15am.

EA even said himself if they had had a decent sized development they more than likely wouldn't have even sold them all the first day, or would have just about sold them.

secondtonone

Quick tip - Agent works for the seller not the buyer, I managed to secure one of the 3 beds before the official launch by having a friendly chat with the Agent the week before ;-). Didn't cost that much extra and no que. :-)

Big Nasty

secondtonone wrote: »

Quick tip - Agent works for the seller not the buyer, I managed to secure one of the 3 beds before the official launch by having a friendly chat with the Agent the week before ;-). Didn't cost that much extra and no que. :-)

Are you saying you bribed the agent to jump the queue? :eek:

LirW

secondtonone wrote: »

Quick tip - Agent works for the seller not the buyer, I managed to secure one of the 3 beds before the official launch by having a friendly chat with the Agent the week before ;-). Didn't cost that much extra and no que. :-)

Reminds me of that lady that was in the newspaper a few months ago that she tracked the builder down of an estate she desperately wanted to buy and got all his private details to get her hands on a house first. Nuts.

Viscount Aggro

This sounds like corruption to me.

Big Nasty

Big Nasty wrote: »

Are you saying you bribed the agent to jump the queue? :eek:

Has to be a wind up.

If you haven't signed anything the last thing you want to be doing is piss off the agent. Booking deposit is not a binding contract on either party..

jamesthepeach

secondtonone wrote: »

Quick tip - Agent works for the seller not the buyer, I managed to secure one of the 3 beds before the official launch by having a friendly chat with the Agent the week before ;-). Didn't cost that much extra and no que. :-)

When I bought my first house queing was in vogue. I slipped the agent €1000.
Worked a treat. Probably cost you more now though. They are terrified of ending up on Facebook

LirW

ronoc wrote: »

Has to be a wind up.

If you haven't signed anything the last thing you want to be doing is piss off the agent. Booking deposit is not a binding contract on either party..

Even though, if this is true (which ofc is questionable, 1 post account) the agent can get in trouble over this.

User_Name17

There were approx 30 people there on Thursday before the official release with most people looking for a 3 bed. Only 12 three beds were available so they could have easily sold far more if available. The four beds are probably a much harder sell given the cost though.

User_Name17

sunshine909 wrote: »

Well when they only release a handful at a time it's not surprising they sell so quickly!!

We were there on Friday morning, about 9am, we're close to the top of the cancellation list for a 3 and 4 bed house. There wasn't a massive queue like other releases, maybe only 5 people by 9.15am.

EA even said himself if they had had a decent sized development they more than likely wouldn't have even sold them all the first day, or would have just about sold them.

There was approx 30 people there on Thursday evening before the official launch and most wanted a 3 bed. The could have easily sold far more 3 beds if available, four beds will be a much harder sell given the cost though

User_Name17

markpb wrote: »

When people say there "no decent public transport", they mean no public transport that most people would reasonably rely on to get to work. Google Maps say that someone living in Kiltiernan and working in Sandyford (which seems reasonable) would have a choice of four routes, each one taking about an hour and most of them needing a connection. Those options include the once-a-day and no-return-trip 118, the once an hour 44 and the twice an hour 63. Now it's possible that a few people might do that but it's more likely that they'll drive because it takes 20 minutes.

Ironically, if those people ditched their jobs in nearby Sandyford and worked in the south city centre, their commute would only increase by a few minutes but it'll still take an hour whether they drive or take public transport. An hour each way is a lot of commuting plus you're beholden to a few infrequent bus routes which means if you're in work a few minutes late, you could have a 30-60 minute wait just to start your commute home.

This isn't me being bitter by the way, that's one of the things I had in mind when I was buying a house only a few months ago. I was happy to pay a premium for my house because it's proximity to Sandyford (for work) and the Luas (for future work, childrens schools, socialising, etc). I would not be happy to pay the significant premium to live in Bishops Gate where public transport is poor.

Bishops Gate is about 15 min to Sandyford by bike.

From some of the comments on here you would swear the houses were built up on Sally Gap.

Yes the bus service to Kilternan is not great currently (like lots of places in Dublin) but as the area grows it should improve. The LUAS is just down the road so with a foldable bike and a 10 minute cycle you have easy access to Dundrum, Stephens Green etc.

Lumen

User_Name17 wrote: »

Bishops Gate is about 15 min to Sandyford by bike.

From some of the comments on here you would swear the houses were built up on Sally Gap.

Yes the bus service to Kilternan is not great currently (like lots of places in Dublin) but as the area grows it should improve. The LUAS is just down the road so with a foldable bike and a 10 minute cycle you have easy access to Dundrum, Stephens Green etc.

For a regular cycle commuter it's only 10 mins from Kilternan to Dundrum by bike, and 20 mins from Kilternan to St Stephen's Green. The return is slower being uphill.

Still, most people can't be bothered with all that.

I do wonder what the Luas is like in the morning with a folding bike.

edit: unless I'm misreading the map, Bishop's Gate to Wyckham Way is only 5.5km and mostly steep downhill so 10 minutes seems about right.

NinjaTruncs

Lumen wrote: »

For a regular cycle commuter it's only 10 mins from Kilternan to Dundrum by bike, and 20 mins from Kilternan to St Stephen's Green. The return is slower being uphill.

Still, most people can't be bothered with all that.

I do wonder what the Luas is like in the morning with a folding bike.

Google Maps claims it 35 minutes by car, no way most people are going to beat a car getting into town on a bike. coming home will be over an hour on a bike and that will be tough, from Dundrum onwards is a real slog.

You may be able to do it in the times you state but most people won't be.

Lumen

NinjaTruncs wrote: »

Google Maps claims it 35 minutes by car, no way most people are going to beat a car getting into town on a bike. coming home will be over an hour on a bike and that will be tough, from Dundrum onwards is a real slog.

You may be able to do it in the times you state but most people won't be.

I did say "regular cycle commuter"

I am an unexceptional cyclist but it takes me under an hour and a half (including stopping at all lights) to get from St Stephen's Green to south of Greystones, and that's going over the hills to avoid the N11.

The great advantage of Kilternan is that it's downhill on the way in to work so you only get sweaty coming home.

caviardreams

Kilternan to Stephens Green by Google maps is 14k - that would not be doable in 20 mins for the majority of commuters I imagine - I mean you could get caught at a few traffic lights which could be 3-4 mins alone.

youngfarmer

Hope that lad is just trying to wind us all up! These houses are definitely over priced and see the 4-beds dropping €100k in the next 5 years when that big development in Cherrywood is completed but then that's more or less the rent we'll end up paying if we stay renting anyways. Prices will keep in going up for another 2 years in dub though anyways.

Got mortgage approval today but not much use to use by looks of things!!

NinjaTruncs

A lot of the new cherrywood is going to be rental, I think something like 3/4 is rental.

User_Name17

youngfarmer wrote: »

Hope that lad is just trying to wind us all up! These houses are definitely over priced and see the 4-beds dropping €100k in the next 5 years when that big development in Cherrywood is completed but then that's more or less the rent we'll end up paying if we stay renting anyways. Prices will keep in going up for another 2 years in dub though anyways.

Got mortgage approval today but not much use to use by looks of things!!

I don't think it is a wind up. One of the houses marked as sold was not part of the pre-launch and was not listed in the launch last week so could have been sold directly beforehand.

Expecting the houses to drop 100k is probably hopeful too. The Cherrywood development is only going to meet demand and stabilize prices.With Clay Farm down the road starting at 470k for a 3 bed it looks like the prices are only going up.

youngfarmer

In 5 years time I think they will drop but subject to Govt meeting demand which I think Leo will be keen to push on with and is ready to blow noonan's €3bn rainy day fund.

Cherrywood 3/4 rental?! Who will own all the properties, 3000 I think?

Catkelly80

Number 37 was not released in phase 1 or 2 but the house is sold. How can this happen?

The_Conductor

Catkelly80 wrote: »

Number 37 was not released in phase 1 or 2 but the house is sold. How can this happen?

Developer could have held it back for a family member- or any of a long and bewildering list of other possibilities. I wouldn't loose any sleep over it- its not for sale, its not for sale.

SuiteCheex

youngfarmer wrote: »

Cherrywood 3/4 rental?! Who will own all the properties, 3000 I think?

Hines, the developer will hold on to all the apartment blocks around the town centre as rentals.

https://www.hines.com/about

louser1

The_Conductor wrote: »

Developer could have held it back for a family member- or any of a long and bewildering list of other possibilities. I wouldn't loose any sleep over it- its not for sale, its not for sale.

That's exactly what happened. The agent said the developer held onto it for a friend.