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Bishops Gate Kilternan

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  • #152
    slane2017
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭slane2017


    I asked Neil Durkan about that when they had the open house a few weeks ago. The builder of that development bordering Bishops Gate to the north, beside that bungalow... can choose which way to build the entrance into the new site. He has approval to pick either of the current cul de sacs or he may apply for PP to have his entrance on the yet to be built 3rd road. Apparently he wanted to have an entrance off the main road but that was denied so he has to go through Bishops Gate. So, don't count on being on a cul de sac. The other builder is going to get to pick which road to use.


  • #153
    slane2017
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭slane2017


    Our solicitor asked last week if they would allow a loan contingency clause and got a big fat NO. Talked to KW today too and they said the builder would not budge on this. He has done it at other developments. Sellers' market. They can demand whatever they want for those desperate enough to take that chance. We are probably going to back out. Not worth the risk.


  • #154
    JM1983
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭JM1983


    slane2017 wrote: »
    Our solicitor asked last week if they would allow a loan contingency clause and got a big fat NO. Talked to KW today too and they said the builder would not budge on this. He has done it at other developments. Sellers' market. They can demand whatever they want for those desperate enough to take that chance. We are probably going to back out. Not worth the risk.

    Yes it is a sellers market, but what a horrible, horrible way to conduct business. Especially when the houses can easily be sold if a person doesn't end up going through with the sale. Unless they are worried that when Clay Farm & other nearby developments are launched/completed, there won't be such a demand for Bishops Gate.

    I am sorry you are going to lose out on getting a home because of nasty developers/estate agents. I wish you well in getting a home.

    Pure greed. Preying on those who are desperate to get a home. He must be a disgusting human being.


  • #155
    Grazing17
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭Grazing17


    Anyone know how many houses will be available in the next phase?

    Can't get EA or builder to say. Pretty basic information but it's like talking to a wall. There are so many people on the cancellation list they don't even try to be civil when questioned.

    Although the prices on the next phase will probably shoot past my mortgage approval.

    I am so far down the cancellation list they tell me I can politely sod off......


  • #156
    hello92
    Registered Users Posts: 18 ✭hello92


    Yeah I heard that there basically won't be anymore 'public launches' as such cos they're just going to go by the cancellation list..


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  • #157
    Grazing17
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭Grazing17


    It was not meant to be.... for me anyway!

    Just crawling out of first round of negative equity. Time for seconds.....


  • #158
    sunshine909
    Registered Users Posts: 16 ✭sunshine909


    SuiteCheex wrote: »
    Is Rockhurst going in to the field between BG and the Golden Ball?

    I'd heard that Durkan's owned that plot of land and were planning to develop it separately to BG. There's a river running along the access road in BG that acts as a boundary between BG and what I'm assuming is going to be Rockhurst so, as you've already pointed out, any further BG development is going to down the back.

    No, that is a field that previously had 2 planning applications for 131 units and then 83 units withdrawn.

    Rockhurst is the other side, bordering the North West boundary, between BG and Kilternan CoI NS.

    If those two developments do go ahead there will be houses/developments from the Golden Ball to Kilternan CoI, the roads will definitely need to be upgraded particularly Glenamuck Road!


  • #159
    sunshine909
    Registered Users Posts: 16 ✭sunshine909


    slane2017 wrote: »
    Our solicitor asked last week if they would allow a loan contingency clause and got a big fat NO. Talked to KW today too and they said the builder would not budge on this. He has done it at other developments. Sellers' market. They can demand whatever they want for those desperate enough to take that chance. We are probably going to back out. Not worth the risk.

    Well, you now have the address of the property so once you have that you can get the full mortgage approval letter from your bank, which means your mortgage is in place. Your solicitor should also recommend you do this. Speak to your solicitor and bank, as you shouldn't need to back out if you secure your mortgage.


  • #160
    The_Conductor
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,286 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    JM1983 wrote: »
    Yes, I received the following in an email form KW for the houses launched 3 weeks ago: "we have been provided with an initial completion date of October".

    Ok- I actually spilt coffee over myself reading this.
    October seems to me to be wholly unreasonable and unrealistic.
    By all means keep pressure on the builders/developer- however, an October completion date honestly seems to me to be wholly a work of fiction.


  • #161
    sunshine909
    Registered Users Posts: 16 ✭sunshine909


    The_Conductor wrote: »
    Ok- I actually spilt coffee over myself reading this.
    October seems to me to be wholly unreasonable and unrealistic.
    By all means keep pressure on the builders/developer- however, an October completion date honestly seems to me to be wholly a work of fiction.

    Haven't seen the site for a few weeks so not quite sure how progress is going.

    Is it common to release a row of houses to buyers as they are finished, or do they wait until a phase is completed in entirety before allowing buyers to move in?


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  • #162
    The_Conductor
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 32,286 Mod ✭✭✭✭The_Conductor


    Honestly I don't think there is a standard- most sane and reasonable developers only release property in phases- so as not to have an undue lag between bookings and closing sales- however, it does seem to be a bit of free for all out there...........

    Sanity and reason- are two virtues in short supply.


  • #163
    godtabh
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 23,241 Mod ✭✭✭✭godtabh


    The BCAR system and how the developer uses is now determining when a property can be released to the vendor


  • #164
    sunshine909
    Registered Users Posts: 16 ✭sunshine909


    From talking to the EA yesterday, the latest information provided by builders is as follows: houses 28 to 32 are due for completion at end of September, and houses 33-36 are due for completion February 2018. We didn't inquire about houses 20-27 but did overhear that they are also due for completion in September, but someone might clarify that who asked directly.

    We will be adding about 4-6 weeks (if not more!) on to completion dates!


  • #165
    hello92
    Registered Users Posts: 18 ✭hello92


    sunshine909 wrote: »
    From talking to the EA yesterday, the latest information provided by builders is as follows: houses 28 to 32 are due for completion at end of September, and houses 33-36 are due for completion February 2018. We didn't inquire about houses 20-27 but did overhear that they are also due for completion in September, but someone might clarify that who asked directly.

    We will be adding about 4-6 weeks (if not more!) on to completion dates!

    Hmm I wonder when the houses 37-42 will be ready!? I reckon April/May..


  • #166
    sunshine909
    Registered Users Posts: 16 ✭sunshine909


    hello92 wrote: »
    Hmm I wonder when the houses 37-42 will be ready!? I reckon April/May..

    I would have thought about the same time as 33-36 (so February 2018 according to KW), but I would just check with KW... If you can manage to get in contact with them or get an email response!!


  • #167
    SuiteCheex
    Registered Users Posts: 82 ✭✭SuiteCheex


    sunshine909 wrote: »
    We were there on Friday morning, about 9am, we're close to the top of the cancellation list for a 3 and 4 bed house.
    sunshine909 wrote: »
    We will be adding about 4-6 weeks (if not more!) on to completion dates!

    Would I be correct in deducing that you managed to pick up a house from the cancellation list? If so, congratulations!


  • #168
    SuiteCheex
    Registered Users Posts: 82 ✭✭SuiteCheex


    sunshine909 wrote: »
    If those two developments do go ahead there will be houses/developments from the Golden Ball to Kilternan CoI, the roads will definitely need to be upgraded particularly Glenamuck Road!

    It still baffles me why they never widened the Glenamuck Road when they were putting in the houses opposite the Golden Ball. The ridge on that wall has claimed many a wing mirror.........or a whole side panel if there was an oncoming bus!


  • #169
    sunshine909
    Registered Users Posts: 16 ✭sunshine909


    SuiteCheex wrote: »
    Would I be correct in deducing that you managed to pick up a house from the cancellation list? If so, congratulations!

    We did indeed, we had pretty much given up on BG when we heard they were sold out, but decided to go the launch at 9.30 for opening and put our names down for a cancellation anyway, and ended up getting one 2 weeks later. I think there were actually a few cancellations.
    SuiteCheex wrote: »
    It still baffles me why they never widened the Glenamuck Road when they were putting in the houses opposite the Golden Ball. The ridge on that wall has claimed many a wing mirror.........or a whole side panel if there was an oncoming bus!

    It would have made sense to do it then, there are plans here to upgrade that junction. Not sure when the work will actually be done though.


  • #170
    User_Name17
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭User_Name17


    Sunshine909, out of interest did you get a 3 or 4 bed from the cancellation? I am interested to see what type of houses are coming up on the cancellation list.


  • #171
    Excited2017
    Registered Users Posts: 1 ✭Excited2017


    Do you mind me asking was it a 3 or 4 bed house you secured from the waiting list? We were in the pre launch queue on the Thursday so are high up on the waiting list.


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  • #172
    sunshine909
    Registered Users Posts: 16 ✭sunshine909


    Got a 3 bed, the 4 beds are just ridiculously priced.


  • #173
    louser1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37 ✭louser1


    sunshine909 wrote: »
    Got a 3 bed, the 4 beds are just ridiculously priced.

    Just to clarify, you got a 3 bed house from a cancellation after going on the cancellation list on the Friday at the launch?

    Disappointed we didn't go on the list as we thought we'd have no chance after people had been queuing on the Thursday. We won't make that mistake again with future developments


  • #174
    JM1983
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭JM1983


    We got a cancellation for a 3 bed.


  • #175
    louser1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37 ✭louser1


    JM1983 wrote: »
    We got a cancellation for a 3 bed.

    Can I ask when?


  • #176
    godtabh
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 23,241 Mod ✭✭✭✭godtabh


    SuiteCheex wrote: »
    It still baffles me why they never widened the Glenamuck Road when they were putting in the houses opposite the Golden Ball. The ridge on that wall has claimed many a wing mirror.........or a whole side panel if there was an oncoming bus!


    There is massive plans for Glenamuck Road. All current planning applications have more or less been refused as being premature pending this.


  • #177
    Dearg81
    Registered Users Posts: 3,174 ✭✭✭Dearg81


    louser1 wrote:
    Disappointed we didn't go on the list as we thought we'd have no chance after people had been queuing on the Thursday. We won't make that mistake again with future developments

    A non refundable deposit probably turned off a lot of people.


  • #178
    louser1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37 ✭louser1


    Dearg81 wrote: »
    A non refundable deposit probably turned off a lot of people.

    I rang the EA on the off chance we might get a cancellation. It was confirmed there were no cancellations for 3 bed houses in the 2nd phase. I think some people might be trying to cause trouble in this thread


  • #179
    User_Name17
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭User_Name17


    louser1 wrote: »
    I rang the EA on the off chance we might get a cancellation. It was confirmed there were no cancellations for 3 bed houses in the 2nd phase. I think some people might be trying to cause trouble in this thread
    There is a lot of non sense on this tread.

    First of all the booking deposits were fully refundable so that statement is incorrect.

    On the Thursday the houses were sold there was at least 10-15 people waiting to go on the cancellation list after the houses has been sold. Even if there was cancellations for the 3 beds they would have went to anyone there on the Thursday and not someone who turned up on the Friday. EA on a number of occasions have confirmed that only one of the 4 beds were cancelled and none of the 3 beds.


  • #180
    User_Name17
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭User_Name17


    godtabh wrote: »
    There is massive plans for Glenamuck Road. All current planning applications have more or less been refused as being premature pending this.
    The plan is to completely bypass Kilternan and create a new link road to the M50.


    http://www.dlrcoco.ie/sites/default/files/atoms/files/kiltiernan_map.pdf


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  • #181
    Dearg81
    Registered Users Posts: 3,174 ✭✭✭Dearg81


    User_Name17 wrote:
    First of all the booking deposits were fully refundable so that statement is incorrect.

    I was talking about the 10% deposit not the booking deposit.


  • #182
    godtabh
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 23,241 Mod ✭✭✭✭godtabh


    User_Name17 wrote: »
    The plan is to completely bypass Kilternan and create a new link road to the M50.


    http://www.dlrcoco.ie/sites/default/files/atoms/files/kiltiernan_map.pdf

    You should see what Carrickmines has planned!


  • #183
    BBMcQ
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,324 ✭✭✭BBMcQ


    godtabh wrote: »
    You should see what Carrickmines has planned!

    Any link? Further info?


  • #184
    hello92
    Registered Users Posts: 18 ✭hello92


    Does anyone know anything about when the next phase will be?


  • #185
    ClareDoyle80
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭ClareDoyle80


    So I went on to dlrcoco's website to see the planning permission for how many and type of houses there is planned as we'd like to buy there and
    1) There is planning permission that was refused for Durkan a little down the road from where the development is
    2)there doesn't seem to be any permission in place on the planning search map for the development

    Am I missing something or will this development be liable for planning enforcement action?

    The reasons for refusal were stated:
    Having regard to the Dun Laoghaire Rathdown County Development Plan, 2010-2016 and to the existing pattern of development in the area, it is considered that the proposed development, by reason of its design and layout, fails to adequately respond to its context and topography or integrate successfully within its environment. As such, it would be seriously injurious to the amenity of property in the area, to the future occupants of the development and would, therefore, be contrary to the proper planning and sustainable development of the area. 2. The proposed public open space provided for the overall development is considered to be substandard and unacceptable by reason of its size, design, sloping aspect, accessibility and usability and would, therefore, not provide an acceptable level of open space for the future occupants of the development. No arboricultural report was submitted as part of the planning application and it does not, therefore, comply with Section 16.6.1: Public Open Space Provision, of the Dun Laoghaire Rathdown County Development Plan, 2010-2016. The proposed development would, therefore, seriously injure the amenities of future occupants and is contrary to the proper planning and sustainable development of the area 3. The proposed development is deficient in the quantum and quality of private open space, particularly in relation to rear garden depths and quality of open space to dwellings adjoining permitted development to the south of the site. The proposed development would, therefore, contravene Section 16.3.2 (iv) and Policy RES14 of the Dun Laoghaire Rathdown County Development Plan, 2010-2016 and the Sustainable Residential Development in Urban Areas Ministerial Guidelines (May 2009) and the accompanying Best Practice Urban Design Manual, and would, therefore, seriously injure the residential amenity of the future occupants of the scheme and would be contrary to the proper planning and sustainable development of the area.


  • #186
    User_Name17
    Registered Users Posts: 8 ✭User_Name17


    ClareDoyle80 wrote: »
    So I went on to dlrcoco's website to see the planning permission for how many and type of houses there is planned as we'd like to buy there and
    1) There is planning permission that was refused for Durkan a little down the road from where the development is
    2)there doesn't seem to be any permission in place on the planning search map for the development

    Am I missing something or will this development be liable for planning enforcement action?

    The reasons for refusal were stated:
    Having regard to the Dun Laoghaire Rathdown County Development Plan, 2010-2016 and to the existing pattern of development in the area, it is considered that the proposed development, by reason of its design and layout, fails to adequately respond to its context and topography or integrate successfully within its environment. As such, it would be seriously injurious to the amenity of property in the area, to the future occupants of the development and would, therefore, be contrary to the proper planning and sustainable development of the area. 2. The proposed public open space provided for the overall development is considered to be substandard and unacceptable by reason of its size, design, sloping aspect, accessibility and usability and would, therefore, not provide an acceptable level of open space for the future occupants of the development. No arboricultural report was submitted as part of the planning application and it does not, therefore, comply with Section 16.6.1: Public Open Space Provision, of the Dun Laoghaire Rathdown County Development Plan, 2010-2016. The proposed development would, therefore, seriously injure the amenities of future occupants and is contrary to the proper planning and sustainable development of the area 3. The proposed development is deficient in the quantum and quality of private open space, particularly in relation to rear garden depths and quality of open space to dwellings adjoining permitted development to the south of the site. The proposed development would, therefore, contravene Section 16.3.2 (iv) and Policy RES14 of the Dun Laoghaire Rathdown County Development Plan, 2010-2016 and the Sustainable Residential Development in Urban Areas Ministerial Guidelines (May 2009) and the accompanying Best Practice Urban Design Manual, and would, therefore, seriously injure the residential amenity of the future occupants of the scheme and would be contrary to the proper planning and sustainable development of the area.
    http://planning.dlrcoco.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=D10A/0716&theTabNo=3&backURL=%3Ca%20href=wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=2001816%3ESearch%20Criteria%3C/a%3E%20%3E%20%3Ca%20href=%27wphappsearchres.displayResultsURL?ResultID=2316682%26StartIndex=1%26SortOrder=rgndat:desc%26DispResultsAs=WPHAPPSEARCHRES%26BackURL=%3Ca%20href=wphappcriteria.display?paSearchKey=2001816%3ESearch%20Criteria%3C/a%3E%27%3ESearch%20Results%3C/a%3E


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  • #187
    ClareDoyle80
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭ClareDoyle80


    Stail Asail wrote: »
    I dunno, not sure, i'll look into it definitely but, which one of the other multiple posters/usernames on this thread are you first of all? suitecheex/jm1983/sunshine909?

    The dlrcoco website isn't very clear at all. Going into the offices to see plans this morning.

    I'm unfortunately not a multiple poster or username? We are currently looking for a home in the area and saw the development and this conversation came up on google?


  • #188
    ClareDoyle80
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭ClareDoyle80


    User_Name17 wrote: »

    Great! How did you managed to find that???

    Looks like the next phase will just be apartments? It says Kilternan property LTD as the applicant, you sure that's the right one? Is it not Durkan?
    Had a better look at the permission and its not longer valid. It was granted after appeal in 2012 which would be mean its no longer valid. They would have to reapply.


  • #189
    godtabh
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 23,241 Mod ✭✭✭✭godtabh


    ClareDoyle80 wrote: »
    Great! How did you managed to find that???

    Looks like the next phase will just be apartments? It says Kilternan property LTD as the applicant, you sure that's the right one? Is it not Durkan?
    Had a better look at the permission and its not longer valid. It was granted after appeal in 2012 which would be mean its no longer valid. They would have to reapply.

    Developers will development specific companies for each site that will be controlled by the parent company i.e Durkan


  • #190
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Sorry for the delay reopening the thread folks.


  • #191
    Catkelly80
    Registered Users Posts: 3 ✭Catkelly80


    People defo had tip off that these houses were going on sale the last time. They were queuing Wednesday night and email only went out the next morning. The next houses are suppose to go on sale in September - I will be driving up every night to see if there is anyone there because they had a feeling they were going on sale!! . A few people will always have the inside track !!


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  • #192
    Gabrielle2010
    Registered Users Posts: 53 ✭✭Gabrielle2010


    Catkelly80 wrote: »
    People defo had tip off that these houses were going on sale the last time. They were queuing Wednesday night and email only went out the next morning. The next houses are suppose to go on sale in September - I will be driving up every night to see if there is anyone there because they had a feeling they were going on sale!! . A few people will always have the inside track !!

    I initially thought that myself, especially after reading this stuff on Boards.ie however I ran into an old work colleague who purchased one of the homes in Bishopsgate and she told me the lengths they went to. They were second in the queue. Her husband did drive byes every day on his lunch hour. The person first in the queue went up every day. This was for 6 weeks before launch. My colleague's husband saw something was happening on the wednesday and started the queue after the first person. The phones started to ring at that stage between people. It's the desperation people have now in seeking a home. I don't find the EA's communication to be clear at all and my husband and myself have been told different things in relation to the next phase.
    We've just gone sale agreed (again) on another home, please God we don't have to look further!


  • #193
    Viscount Aggro
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭Viscount Aggro


    Have you seen the stone signage at the entrance? I do not like the Durkan name permanently chiselled into the sign. Its a permanent corporate advertisement. I want it removed.


  • #194
    markpb
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,376 ✭✭✭markpb


    Viscount Aggro wrote: »
    Have you seen the stone signage at the entrance? I do not like the Durkan name permanently chiselled into the sign. Its a permanent corporate advertisement. I want it removed.

    If an Owner's Management Company is created, it should have the authority to replace the sign (at the owners own expense).


  • #195
    JohnnyMacMan
    Registered Users Posts: 4 ✭JohnnyMacMan


    Any chance someone who secured a 3 bed has the dimensions for all the floors? Looking to start getting ballpark cost figures together.


  • #196
    hello92
    Registered Users Posts: 18 ✭hello92


    JohnnyMacMan wrote: »
    Any chance someone who secured a 3 bed has the dimensions for all the floors? Looking to start getting ballpark cost figures together.

    I was trying to get the same info for the 3 beds - tried emailing the estate agent but never got a reply! Surely they should have that information though..


  • #197
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 3,620 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    hello92 wrote: »
    I was trying to get the same info for the 3 beds - tried emailing the estate agent but never got a reply! Surely they should have that information though..

    Hi have you been given a date for moving in?

    The DLRD plans will give you a rough idea of the internal dimensions.
    http://planning.dlrcoco.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=D10A/0716&theTabNo=3


  • #198
    louser1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 37 ✭louser1


    Any word on phase 3?


  • #199
    hello92
    Registered Users Posts: 18 ✭hello92


    ronoc wrote: »
    Hi have you been given a date for moving in?

    The DLRD plans will give you a rough idea of the internal dimensions.
    http://planning.dlrcoco.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayUrl?theApnID=D10A/0716&theTabNo=3

    Hey - so yeah they're saying Nov/Dec buy my guess is it will be more like Jan/Feb!


  • #200
    beach100
    Registered Users Posts: 2 ✭beach100


    Hi has anyone who has secured an Orchid Type A have a better idea of the internal layout or sizes of the rooms? Thanks

    Also any idea when 3rd phase is being released.


  • #201
    pookakie
    Registered Users Posts: 18 ✭pookakie


    beach100 wrote: »
    Hi has anyone who has secured an Orchid Type A have a better idea of the internal layout or sizes of the rooms? Thanks

    Also any idea when 3rd phase is being released.

    Is there definitely a 3rd phase planned? I can only see the plans for a 2nd phase on the DLRCC site.


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