Saoradh dissident republican march in Dublin

janfebmar · 21-04-2019 10:54pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The RUC were disgraced .

In your eyes. Most of the many thousands acted lawfully and properly. Yet you condoned attacks on them / people sniping and shooting at them.
The psni were disgraced In the eyes of the lads who shot at them the other night..to them they were all "crown forces".
You both condoned attacks on the police, no difference.

FrancieBrady · 21-04-2019 11:02pm

janfebmar wrote: »

In your eyes. Most of the many thousands acted lawfully and properly. Yet you condoned attacks on them / people sniping and shooting at them.
The psni were disgraced In the eyes of the lads who shot at them the other night..to them they were all "crown forces".
You both condoned attacks on the police, no difference.

You waste your time finding a post were I condoned violence.

blanch152 · 21-04-2019 11:04pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The RUC were disgraced and had to be re-structured because they were not partisan.

I am not here to be grilled by you either.

So you didn't condemn them.

What if that young journalist had survived and some PSNI officer had been killed? I am certain that we wouldn't have seen the same level of condemnation.

janfebmar · 21-04-2019 11:05pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

You waste your time finding a post were I condoned violence.

You did not call attacks on the police violence, you called that war. And you condoned it. Go back and look at your posts.

FrancieBrady · 21-04-2019 11:07pm

janfebmar wrote: »

You did not call attacks on the police violence, you called that war. And you condoned it. Go back and look at your posts.

I called it a conflict/war. And I never condoned violence..ever. I understand why it happens, and why it will continue to happen.

lawred2 · 21-04-2019 11:11pm

janfebmar wrote: »

In your eyes. Most of the many thousands acted lawfully and properly. Yet you condoned attacks on them / people sniping and shooting at them.
The psni were disgraced In the eyes of the lads who shot at them the other night..to them they were all "crown forces".
You both condoned attacks on the police, no difference.

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They had to be disbanded. Rarely something that happens to organisations in good standing or held in high regard.

Spanish Eyes · 21-04-2019 11:21pm

There is an undercurrent of support for those who wish to eliminate the UK from any involvement in NI, such as it is. That will not change anytime soon.

In the meantime, we have a polarised system now. SF no seats in Westminster, DUP, lotsa seats there. Middle ground have no chance.

Oh, and no Assembly either. WTF are they at?

NI is a tad toxic, no, scratch that it IS toxic.

And as long as the Republic is not drawn into the shenanigans, let them at it for now.

But something has to give soon surely.

Spanish Eyes · 21-04-2019 11:22pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I called it a conflict/war. And I never condoned violence..ever. I understand why it happens, and why it will continue to happen.

When you are explaining you are losing my friend

janfebmar · 21-04-2019 11:24pm

lawred2 wrote: »

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They had to be disbanded.

They were renamed. Same as Telecom Eireann became Eircom.
It was the terrorists who lost their weapons / were disbanded.

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FrancieBrady · 21-04-2019 11:27pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

When you are explaining you are losing my friend

If you are Irish, you always lose to Janfebmar. I have learned to live with it.

janfebmar · 21-04-2019 11:27pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

I called it a conflict/war. And I never condoned violence..ever.

But you condoned "the war" against the crown forces. Same as the lads the other night.

JohnnyFlash · 21-04-2019 11:28pm

I think there’s a sinister undercurrent of support for these bastards from angry malcontents who advocate for a socialist republic brought about by violent revolution. The whole, ‘oh it’s terrible, but....’

janfebmar · 21-04-2019 11:28pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If you are Irish, you always lose to Janfebmar. I have learned to live with it.

I am am Irish myself and proud of it.

kowloon · 21-04-2019 11:29pm

Beechwoodspark wrote: »

Maybe time to make it offence to impersonate a member of the defence forces.

I thought wearing current issue DF gear was illegal. Gear from other armed forces wouldn't be.

Spanish Eyes · 21-04-2019 11:34pm

So the consensus is that murder by dissidents is murder?

Just like any murder in society? There should be no other way.

Sean.3516 · 21-04-2019 11:35pm

JupiterKid wrote: »

So less than 48 hours after the senseless shooting dead of journalist Lyra McKee in Derry during rioting, the dissident republican group Saoradh brazenly marched through Dublin city centre yesterday.

I consider this march to be a direct affront to democracy in this country and something sinister and very unwelcome.

An insult to Lyra McKee and her partner and family and a direct challenge to our State and society.

Should they even have been allowed march?

As strongly as I believe that this Saoradh crowd are nothing but incel marxist wannabe revolutionary knobs with nothing better to do playing soldiers, if they fill out the right forms and follow the law around organizing marches in the capital then I believe they have every right to do it.

But yea, I have serious concerns about all this “ooh ah up the ra” infantile gob****ery becoming more and more common again.

kowloon · 21-04-2019 11:38pm

Hedgelayer wrote: »

Another shower of sjws dressed up as soldiers.

Probably a bunch of vegan sympathisers, you'd see the way they dress like plants.

Worthless wasters, nobody gives a **** about their cause, bunch of tossers

Are we just naming things we don't like now?

Cee-Jay-Cee · 21-04-2019 11:41pm

The sad thing is that the vast majority of saoradh **** werent even born during the troubles and really haven’t a clue what they represent or want. They’re silly little ****tards who think violence and terrorism are cool and believe wearing military uniform gives them some form of power. But in reality they’re simply unemployed (and probably unemployable) arseholes from Derry and Strabane who have zero public support and sadly the media publishing their stupid little march only empowers them to do it again. What a sad pathetic bunch of ****.

blanch152 · 21-04-2019 11:43pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

If you are Irish, you always lose to Janfebmar. I have learned to live with it.

The problem is that your definition of Irishness is too restrictive.

Unless someone is rabidly in favour of a United Ireland, then they are not Irish in your opinion. That is a hangover of reductionist SF thinking.

Someone like me, who is a proud GAA follower and Irish music lover, but who doesn't believe in immediate Irish unity and is apathetic about the Irish language is somehow less of an Irishman. God knows what you think of the recently naturalised.

OldMrBrennan83 · 21-04-2019 11:43pm

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

When you are explaining you are losing my friend

When you keep making things up it forces people to explain. Interesting tactics but not really getting you further than quips like this.

OwlsZat · 21-04-2019 11:47pm

lawred2 wrote: »

I wouldn't be giving them the attention they crave. Just a bunch of adult children doing dress up.

Is it a surprise they appear as game of thrones returns, I think not.

Spanish Eyes · 21-04-2019 11:48pm

OldMrBrennan83 wrote: »

When you keep making things up it forces people to explain. Interesting tactics but not really getting you further than quips like this.

When you are explaining without any real backup apart from an inherent mindset, you certainly are losing it with one liners. But it is a tactic. Like mind bending etc.

Eventually they will get it and try to get everyone else on board too.

Not me though!

Sean.3516 · 21-04-2019 11:49pm

Censored11 wrote: »

Disappointed to see dime bars like these being allowed to do a military march down the main street of our capital in this day and age.
Seriously wtf.

The Irish Defence Forces should be the only military group permitted to march down O'Connell street.

Imo.

Are these guys an actual paramilitary group? Is violence in their charter? If not, then I don’t think they should be banned.

Sean.3516 · 21-04-2019 11:51pm

rockatansky wrote: »

Any attempt to ban them just has the opposite effect, draws attention to them and gives them publicity. It may also increase their membership.

Agreed. Let them march so that we can make fun of them.

janfebmar · 21-04-2019 11:52pm

Sean.3516 wrote: »

Are these guys an actual paramilitary group? Is violence in their charter? If not, then I don’t think they should be banned.

Quite probable some or all of those throwing petrol bombs the other evening were there?

FrancieBrady · 21-04-2019 11:52pm

blanch152 wrote: »

The problem is that your definition of Irishness is too restrictive.

Unless someone is rabidly in favour of a United Ireland, then they are not Irish in your opinion. That is a hangover of reductionist SF thinking.

Someone like me, who is a proud GAA follower and Irish music lover, but who doesn't believe in immediate Irish unity and is apathetic about the Irish language is somehow less of an Irishman. God knows what you think of the recently naturalised.

Janefebmar is fervently in support of the idea that the Irish were always wrong and the British were correct.

Even you blanch know that is wrong. You are a partitionist, which is fair enough.

But neither of you have ever offered a solution to the death of innocent people.

I believe a majority democratic decision to unify, while difficult, is the only way to end this needless cycle of violence and death.

21-04-2019 11:53pm

It's OK to let matches like this happen. It allows AGS to identify persons who may not have come to notice before these marches.
Knowledge is power!

Spanish Eyes · 21-04-2019 11:56pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Janefebmar is fervently in support of the idea that the Irish were always wrong and the British were correct.

Even you blanch know that is wrong. You are a partitionist, which is fair enough.

But neither of you have ever offered a solution to the death of innocent people.

I believe a majority democratic decision to unify, while difficult, is the only way to end this needless cycle of violence and death.

You as a person do not have to believe this, it will happen when the majority wish it to happen. Not now, but maybe in the future.

Problem is, those radicals who do not want a UI might wreak more havoc than ever.

Difficult situation really all round.

blanch152 · 21-04-2019 11:59pm

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Janefebmar is fervently in support of the idea that the Irish were always wrong and the British were correct.

Even you blanch know that is wrong. You are a partitionist, which is fair enough.

But neither of you have ever offered a solution to the death of innocent people.

I believe a majority democratic decision to unify, while difficult, is the only way to end this needless cycle of violence and death.

I have told you many many times that I am not a partitionist, yet you still persist in hurling uninformed insults at me. I reject that label, just as many people rejected the n-word, the c-word and the y-word. You can keep labelling all you like, but unless the people you label accept the word you use, you are no better than a member of the KKK or an apartheid apologist.

The cycle of violence and death is easily ended. Those who are carrying out violence should stop. End of.

It is not our responsibility to stop them, it is their responsibility to stop. It is the responsibility of the community to out those responsible. I am heartened that two people have already been arrested after last night's horrific tragedy, and I hope that the people of Derry, who know who any other culprits are, will turn the rest of the cowards in.

Sean.3516 · 21-04-2019 11:59pm

janfebmar wrote: »

Quite probable some or all of those throwing petrol bombs the other evening were there?

Perhaps, but I’m asking if Saoradh is a republican organisation which like the IRA has enumerated violence in it’s charter as a means of achieving reunification?

If the answer is no, then I don’t think it should be classed as a paramilitary or banned, as much as I despise these fools besides the fact.

Sean.3516 · 22-04-2019 12:06am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Janefebmar is fervently in support of the idea that the Irish were always wrong and the British were correct.

Even you blanch know that is wrong. You are a partitionist, which is fair enough.

But neither of you have ever offered a solution to the death of innocent people.

I believe a majority democratic decision to unify, while difficult, is the only way to end this needless cycle of violence and death.

I’m a partitionist.

If the majority in the North wish to stay in the UK, then that’s fine with me.

I’ve never bought this idea that the British stole the land from “the Irish”.

There was no Irish nation before the plantations. It was celtic tribes fighting each other. The brits come and settle and cultivate the land and yes, commit atrocities but really, I fail to see why I should be fired up about how people who have been dead for centuries took land from other people who’ve been dead for centuries.

BBFAN · 22-04-2019 12:10am

Sean.3516 wrote: »

Perhaps, but I’m asking if Saoradh is a republican organisation which like the IRA has enumerated violence in it’s charter as a means of achieving reunification?

If the answer is no, then I don’t think it should be classed as a paramilitary or banned, as much as I despise these fools besides the fact.

You're accepting that perhaps they were throwing petrol bombs but asking the question if they enumerate violence??

Are you somewhat confused??

Sean.3516 · 22-04-2019 12:15am

BBFAN wrote: »

You're accepting that perhaps they were throwing petrol bombs but asking the question if they enumerate violence??

Are you somewhat confused??

I’m saying that INDIVIDUALS in the march may well have thrown petrol bombs and if so they should be prosecuted as INDIVIDUALS. However if you want to ban Saoradh as an organisation you’ll have to show me where they have advocated violence and/or where their members (in their capacity as Saoradh members) have acted violently.

janfebmar · 22-04-2019 12:15am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Janefebmar is fervently in support of the idea that the Irish were always wrong and the British were correct.

Wrong,very wrong. The Irish were often right and we have some fantastic achievements in the world, for our size.

However you condoned the provos and think only hardline Republicans are really Irish. You have a lot to learn, like the other lads who attacked the crown forces the other evening.

FrancieBrady · 22-04-2019 12:18am

blanch152 wrote: »

I have told you many many times that I am not a partitionist, yet you still persist in hurling uninformed insults at me. I reject that label, just as many people rejected the n-word, the c-word and the y-word. You can keep labelling all you like, but unless the people you label accept the word you use, you are no better than a member of the KKK or an apartheid apologist.

The cycle of violence and death is easily ended. Those who are carrying out violence should stop. End of.

It is not our responsibility to stop them, it is their responsibility to stop. It is the responsibility of the community to out those responsible. I am heartened that two people have already been arrested after last night's horrific tragedy, and I hope that the people of Derry, who know who any other culprits are, will turn the rest of the cowards in.

And when the 'community' supported SF, you whinge about that too.

I think you need to review what a 'partitionist' mindset actually is.
Supporting a GAA team or a taste in music doesn't really cut it as a innocence plea.

22-04-2019 12:20am

biko wrote: »

Democracy is a way of governing a country.
It is not, as OP implies, a way of making sure all is well and everyone are happy.

Having various factions march isn't the opposite of democracy, it is democracy in action.
If you have a problem with that you are opposed to democracy, i.e. you are fascist.

Well, the above sounds harsh but that's the gist of it.
You can't have your democracy cake and prevent others from having it too.

there is a serious and material difference between protest marches and direct challenges to the right of the state to be the sole military and policing authority with authority over use of force.

two days after seeming involvement in the murder of a journalist is no time for you to gloss over that difference

blanch152 · 22-04-2019 12:22am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And when the 'community' supported SF, you whinge about that too.

I think you need to review what a 'partitionist' mindset actually is.
Supporting a GAA team or a taste in music doesn't really cut it as a innocence plea.

I just think that today we all need to condemn what happened in Derry.

Anyone prevaricating or obfuscating about partitionism or any other excuse needs to look at themselves.

22-04-2019 12:24am

Sean.3516 wrote: »

I’m a partitionist.

If the majority in the North wish to stay in the UK, then that’s fine with me.

I’ve never bought this idea that the British stole the land from “the Irish”.

There was no Irish nation before the plantations. It was celtic tribes fighting each other. The brits come and settle and cultivate the land and yes, commit atrocities but really, I fail to see why I should be fired up about how people who have been dead for centuries took land from other people who’ve been dead for centuries.

Seriously? We had a clan system, complete with a high king. How does that not equal a Nation?

FrancieBrady · 22-04-2019 12:26am

blanch152 wrote: »

I just think that today we all need to condemn what happened in Derry.

Anyone prevaricating or obfuscating about partitionism or any other excuse needs to look at themselves.

Prevaricating?

Sean.3516 · 22-04-2019 12:30am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Seriously? We had a clan system, complete with a high king. How does that not equal a Nation?

The last high king of ireland was Ruadhrí O’Connor whose reign ended in 1198 during the Norman conquest. The plantations began in the 16th century.

janfebmar · 22-04-2019 12:32am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

Prevaricating?

People who justified and condoned attacks on the crown forces, that is what encouraged the lads the other evening.

FrancieBrady · 22-04-2019 12:37am

janfebmar wrote: »

People who justified and condoned attacks on the crown forces, that is what encouraged the lads the other evening.

And the acts of the crown forces (who these 'lads' object to) had nothing to do with this?

The GFA didn't get the agreement of all. We all know this, why the surprise? You were told this would happen.

22-04-2019 12:40am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And the acts of the crown forces (who these 'lads' object to) had nothing to do with this?

The GFA didn't get the agreement of all. We all know this, why the surprise? You were told this would happen.

the acts dont excuse this. in any way.

the fact a tiny % of people dont agree with GFA don't excuse this. in any way.

janfebmar · 22-04-2019 12:41am

FrancieBrady wrote: »

And the acts of the crown forces (who these 'lads' object to) had nothing to do with this?

So you are blaming the police for the journalists death. Classy.

FrancieBrady wrote: »

The GFA didn't get the agreement of all. We all know this, why the surprise? You were told this would happen.

Not surprised. Even Gerry said " they have'nt gone away, you know" or words to that effect. It is known some Republicans want to return to violence.

whisky_galore · 22-04-2019 1:17am

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Seriously? We had a clan system, complete with a high king. How does that not equal a Nation?

A clan system is just a number of groups, continually hammering the sh1t out of each other for their own ends. Hardly a nation.

Junkyard Tom · 22-04-2019 1:37am

The RUC were sectarian thugs with many killers in their ranks and I doubt a single one of them wasn't aware of it.

Same crowd on here trying to re-fight the troubles, ironically like the people in Saordagh and and anti-GFA unionists who have never come to terms with being the actual cause of the Troubles.

John2136 · 22-04-2019 1:46am

NasserShammaz wrote: »

Pride marching down O'Connell st again will say more about a united ireland than these eejits

Yeah we should kiss the English out of our country

John2136 · 22-04-2019 1:52am

Junkyard Tom wrote: »

The RUC were sectarian thugs with many killers in their ranks and I doubt a single one of them wasn't aware of it.

Same crowd on here trying to re-fight the troubles, ironically like the people in Saordagh and and anti-GFA unionists who have never come to terms with being the actual cause of the Troubles.

Not to mention MI5/MI6 and RUC special branch controlled the loyalist paramilitaries as part as part of their proxy war so the British establishment could take the moral high ground, in the early 70s the crown forces were killing far more civilians than the IRA were but some bright spark realised this isn't doing us any good, not on the propaganda side of things anyway.

Sean.3516 · 22-04-2019 2:00am

John2136 wrote: »

Yeah we should kiss the English out of our country

Are the English still in our country?

John2136 · 22-04-2019 2:05am

Sean.3516 wrote: »

Are the English still in our country?

Obviously

Saoradh dissident republican march in Dublin

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