General Elections. The Constituency of Tipperary

I hear Michael Smith is running for the Senate for Fianna Fail. That'll be interesting if he gets it because things got very dirty and bitter between himself and Cahill and if they are both in the Oireachteas then come the next election my bet is one of them will be an independent.

callaway92 wrote: »

jaysis

Ya Gerry and Mary Lou had a similar response it brought a grin/smirk.

Xenophile wrote: »

Hard to get your way on everything , he was not Minister For Health.

qadmittedly he was not, put he canvassed on keeping it open, the same with roscommon

legocrazy505 wrote: »

Lesson learnt for Lowry, pay your taxes if you want stuff done.

Huh? Fair enough you are anti Lowry (the article you quoted was actually quoting Independent Councillor Micheál Lowry ) but that post still doesn't make sense.

Surely it implies that the project to put up the cameras was either
(i) not properly costed day 1 (highly possible - ie a pre election promise where there wasn't the time for a proper costing and the gov of the day needed to announce) or

(ii)the installation contractors have came up against an issue that was unforeseen and falls outside the remit of the contract so will need more money to complete.

Its definitely not some kind of a "lesson learnt" for Lowry.

Xenophile wrote: »

I have been led to understand that some of Alan Kelly's election posters were removed without authorisation during the election campaign.

These posters are now beginning to reappear on poles and some instances in villages where Alan Kelly's election team never visited. The matter is currently under investigation by the Gardaí.

I know for a fact that these ones have been left up since the election .

Hopefully the County Council will issue fines for littering for these, and all other election posters that remain in place.
As a matter of information, the candidates had every pole in the County completely covered in posters within about 12 hours of the Election being called and yet 4 weeks after the election they haven't had the courtesy to take down their rubbish.

Xenophile wrote: »

Not likely that the County Council will issue fines against their current boss for a matter that's under investigation by the Gardaí.

Fairly pathetic that he's wasting Garda time about Election posters in my opinion

Xenophile wrote: »

That's a decision that the Gardaí can make for themselves. There has always been interference with election posters and this messing will have to stop. It would be great if prosecutions arose out of this matter, so as that anarchists would have to think twice before breaking the law in future !

Jaysis

Xenophile wrote: »

Is that all you have to say ?

If I was to say what I really think about your post I would most likely be banned. I'm sure you are well aware of the shortages of Gardai across all stations considering how aware Mr.Kelly is about the homeless crisis I'm surprised that a couple of election posters going missing or what ever really don't warrant Garda time to investigate

Xenophile wrote: »

Well if you have some devious people trying to create trouble for you, it would be foolish to let the matter go without comment especially when you are the Minister responsible for the legislation in respect of election posters !

If this is on his priority list it says a lot about him to be honest and none of it is positive. To be very honest and blunt Xenophile you've managed to lower my estimation of Mr.Kelly by what I find quite ridiculous posts about election posters that really don't amount to a hill of beans in the grand scheme of things.

Isn't it strange that Mr Kelly seems to have "everyone against him".

First there was a bomb threat.
Then wasn't there some other verbal threats during the election campaign.

Now you have "persons unknown" taking down election posters, storing them and then re-erecting them to "discredit" Mr Kelly.

Is there any other politician being subjected to this level of abuse ?

As for the Council issuing litter fines for the posters, I would hope it would not come to this as Mr Kelly is the Minister for the ENVIRONMENT, or is taking down his election litter beneath him and his team ?
Here's a suggestion, why wouldn't Seamus Martin take them down ?

Xenophile wrote: »

If you are so concerned with litter I suggest you go and take them down yourselves. At present Alan Kelly's main priority is to tackle the homelessness crisis. I refer you to his comprehensive statement that he made in the Dail on Tuesday !

he is in the dail a long time, what has he done as regards homelesness, iw was his priority, i dunno if this has changed

Xenophile wrote: »

Good man Mattie, he never misses a trick when it comes to a sound bite.

An Independent TD has warned Fine Gael and Fianna Fáil they could pull out of talks at any time.

The comments from Mattie McGrath come as another day of negotiations with Fine Gael gets underway at Government Buildings.

Tipperary TD Mattie McGrath says realistically the two big parties have to talk to each other, and soon.

well pinnochio has threatned them its either prop him up or face another election, which he knows some of the cannot afford, good old tory boot boy tacticts

Xenophile wrote: »

Seamus Healy T.D. has stated, that on mature reflection that he now urges people to pay their Water Charges and Property Tax and that we are blessed to be living in an area with such clean air and water !

Your man is going to struggle to get a nominator if it comes to a leadership election among the 6 TDs but the good news is he can vote for himself,the bad news is he will struggle for someone to second him among the 6 remaining!!

Just looking at the Senate Elections. I see Noel Coonan & Michael Smith Jr both lost in their elections. I understand Coonan was an official FG candidate but still went out early enough. Smith Jr ran as an quasi-independent when he didn't get a party nomination so he was always up against it without the party telling their councilors to vote for him but he hung in there until near the end. Apparently Smith Snr had toured the country visiting conuncils trying to drum up support for the young fella. The outgoing Carrick on Suir Senator no one every heard of Denis Landy was returned. There were a few other no-hope Tipperary candidates in the election, Griffith, Hughes & Hannifin and they all got knocked out fairly early in their respective counts.

So where does that leave us if there is an election later this year or early in 2017 (can't see the current patch up job lasting longer than that). Who will be the candidates?

Lets assume the outgoing TDs all run. That'll be Lowry, Healy, McGrath, Cahill & Kelly. Who will run for FG? Coonan probably. Will Hayes come back? Can't see Marie Murphy going again after the hammering she got. They will probably stick to the two candidate strategy one North and one South but their convention should be interesting. Wonder will Enda give a senate seat to someone in Tipperary and put them in pole position for a Dail run. Will FF run a three candidate strategy again. Hard to see Smith Jr having any chance of a seat with Cahill now ahead of him so will they waste money and resources on two candiates from the North. Even harder to see Cahill wanting Smith anywhere near the ticket. With him losing in the senate (and doing another solo run after not getting a party nomination) it's hard to see where Smith Jr goes now. If they run one from the North and one from the South Coonan will be the northern candidate but who will the South Candidate be? Ambrose is still probably their only option unless they parachute some celeb candidate in. But Mattie was love bombing Michael Martin during the government negotiations so could he be welcomed back into the party?

Beyond that can't see anyone else running if there is an election again later this year. The small independents and Greens won't have the money for another no hope campaign.

danganabu wrote: »

I would say that a lot will depend on the make up of the constituency by then, the current arrangement where us in the north west of the county were dispatched to biffo land is not set in stone and was a trial that was to be reviewed after the General election, so if that were to be reversed it would change things dramatically.

Can't see that being reversed any time soon. To do so would make the constituency way too large both in terms of geography and population. It would have to be made a 6 seater (which it can't be) or be split again into two 3 seaters which would need a seat to be taken from somewhere which would require more boundary reviews and juggling across the country. None of that will happen without a complete review which probably won't happen for a few years (and possibly therefore a few elections).