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General Elections. The Constituency of Tipperary

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    #542
    CrowdedHouse
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    What age is he anyway?

    Seven Worlds will Collide



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    #543
    Xenophile
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    Sorry cannot tell you his age.

    This has been taken from his Website.

    Born and reared in Roscrea, Co. Tipperary, Michael enjoys working at the heart of the community. Son of former Minister of Defence, Michael Smith, this candidate has adopted a most apt campaign slogan ‘Vote Young Smith’ which has been getting people excited countywide.

    I don't think it's as easy as this to get the people of County Tipperary excited.

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    #544
    zurbfoundation
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    Xenophile wrote: »
    this candidate has adopted a most apt campaign slogan ‘Vote Young Smith’ which has been getting people excited countywide.

    Good lord! Who wrote that?@?!


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    #545
    Xenophile
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    Nice link here for Kelly supporters.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2016/rightcol/alan-kelly-power-is-a-drug-it-suits-me-34410065.html

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    #546
    CrowdedHouse
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    Xenophile wrote: »
    Nice link here for Kelly supporters.

    ....not sure if serious.........

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    #547
    Xenophile
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    CrowdedHouse wrote: »
    ....not sure if serious.........

    Yes I am serious, it shows some of the human softer personal side of the man, the link to the website comes with a health warning to the anti Kelly brigade.

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    #548
    digzy
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    CrowdedHouse wrote: »
    ....not sure if serious.........

    he thinks he's JFK


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    #549
    Xenophile
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    Xenophile wrote: »
    Nice link here for Kelly supporters.

    http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/election-2016/rightcol/alan-kelly-power-is-a-drug-it-suits-me-34410065.html
    Xenophile wrote: »
    Yes I am serious, it shows some of the human softer personal side of the man, the link to the website comes with a health warning to the anti Kelly brigade.
    digzy wrote: »
    he thinks he's JFK

    Told you that this would not appeal to the anti brigade !

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    #550
    digzy
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    Tbh I'm not pushed either way about kelly. However if labour are in government next time I hope he's part of it for the sake of tipp


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    #551
    brightspark
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    digzy wrote: »
    Tbh I'm not pushed either way about kelly. However if labour are in government next time I hope he's part of it for the sake of tipp


    just remember this when you are voting

    http://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/householders-to-pay-for-recycling-718304.html

    We indirectly pay for recycling as the producers already pay a fee to repak, so now we will pay twice.


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    #552
    Xenophile
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    And now it seems that Alan Kelly has the final say when it comes to naming the date of the next election.

    Enda Kenny must be saying about the former Minister of The Environment, Phil Hogan, where are you now when I need you most.

    Kenny being a TD for over 40 years is too contaminated with the old style politics.

    Yes, I hope he is a Government TD after the election. But it's high time he was a Government backbencher.

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    #553
    brightspark
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    zurbfoundation wrote: »
    Some good points, for me though, and this goes for all candidates, his website has been built by a Dublin company. When I see a candidate drop in literature and its printed out of constituency or the website built out of constituency, from someone looking to represent local people, its a bad message and turns me off straight away.

    His father (Michael Smith) never worried about keeping jobs in Tipperary (signed off on the sugar factory closure), why expect the son to be any different.


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    #554
    golfball37
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    brightspark wrote: »
    His father (Michael Smith) never worried about keeping jobs in Tipperary (signed off on the sugar factory closure), why expect the son to be any different.

    That was Michael O Kennedy [not Smith], if its the Thurles plant you are talking about. He lost his seat because of it.


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    #555
    jem
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    touts wrote: »
    Did anyone see Michael Smith Jr new website. Voteyoungsmith. Young smith. His whole campaign is based on daddy used to have the seat so give it to me. Suicidal strategy. Most people under 40 wont remember his daddy and even if they did I think dynastic politics is more of a liability than a help these days especially when your daddy is now better known as one of the loyal henchmen of Haughey

    First of all there was one line about his father. He is proud of him and why not mention it.If he didn't you would be complaining that he didn't.

    Secondly there was never one whif of corruption about Smith Snr in fact he stated in the Dail that he had suspicions with regard to planning in Dublin and sent it immediately to the Guards to investigate.


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    #556
    PearlJ
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    jem wrote: »
    First of all there was one line about his father. He is proud of him and why not mention it.If he didn't you would be complaining that he didn't.

    Secondly there was never one whif of corruption about Smith Snr in fact he stated in the Dail that he had suspicions with regard to planning in Dublin and sent it immediately to the Guards to investigate.

    I think its more the fact that he is using his father's history very blatantly in his campaign which is a bad move on his part. It hawks back to old Fianna Fail and the now negative connotations which that brings.

    I have to say I have been disappointed with the FF campaign in Tipperary. Smith isn't doing well despite being a good Councillor and this website will do him no favours, Ambrose has failed completely to capitalise on her good performance on Vincent Browne and is no where to be seen and Jackie Cahill seems to be leading the field for FF in Tipperary despite the fact he is their poorest candidate.

    Also the polls are making it hard to predict as most seem to disagree with each other bar the top 2 set to go through with Hayes and Lowry.

    I find most have polls have Mattie losing his seat which I don't agree with, I think you would be foolish to rule him out.

    The hardest one to predict is Kelly, he is doing well on the campaign but will his attitude and his work on Irish Water and the homelessness crisis sink him? Very hard election to call for Tipperary.


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    #557
    golfball37
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    jem wrote: »
    First of all there was one line about his father. He is proud of him and why not mention it.If he didn't you would be complaining that he didn't.

    Secondly there was never one whif of corruption about Smith Snr in fact he stated in the Dail that he had suspicions with regard to planning in Dublin and sent it immediately to the Guards to investigate.

    Never a whiff of corruption but he was a liar. He claimed to have graduated with a degree from UCC in the early 60s and no doubt it helped his career ladder progression over someone more deserving.


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    #558
    touts
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    digzy wrote: »
    he thinks he's JFK

    But there is more of a whiff of Nixon about him.


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    #559
    brightspark
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    golfball37 wrote: »
    That was Michael O Kennedy [not Smith], if its the Thurles plant you are talking about. He lost his seat because of it.

    You are of course correct, I got them mixed up.


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    #560
    laoch na mona
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    had a read of both Cahill and Smiths leaflets, I had to remind myself they were FF. They talk like men whose party hasn't stood over countless scandals


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    #561
    digzy
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    laoch na mona wrote: »
    had a read of both Cahill and Smiths leaflets, I had to remind myself they were FF. They talk like men whose party hasn't stood over countless scandals

    Their party isn't the only one that's 'stood over countless scandals'.
    Though rape isn't a scandal for some parties....


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    #562
    touts
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    laoch na mona wrote: »
    had a read of both Cahill and Smiths leaflets, I had to remind myself they were FF. They talk like men whose party hasn't stood over countless scandals

    Thats probably the one part of daddy's track record Smith Jr won't be trying to take credit for. And I DONT think Cahill wasnl even in Fianna Fail back then. He only entered politics to cash in on his ICMSA profile.


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    #563
    laoch na mona
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    smith seems to be ff trying to win back the farmer vote(they're also promising to throw money at suckler farmers), I've yet to see what fg are promising this time out, nationally they've been pushing the whole 'recovery' thing. No matter what their manifesto says the pessimist in me says fg are guaranteed a seat if not two in tipp.


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    #564
    questionmark?
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    laoch na mona wrote: »
    smith seems to be ff trying to win back the farmer vote(they're also promising to throw money at suckler farmers), I've yet to see what fg are promising this time out, nationally they've been pushing the whole 'recovery' thing. No matter what their manifesto says the pessimist in me says fg are guaranteed a seat if not two in tipp.

    Two seats? Really? I don't know of they can bring in more than Hayes.


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    #565
    touts
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    laoch na mona wrote: »
    smith seems to be ff trying to win back the farmer vote(they're also promising to throw money at suckler farmers), I've yet to see what fg are promising this time out, nationally they've been pushing the whole 'recovery' thing. No matter what their manifesto says the pessimist in me says fg are guaranteed a seat if not two in tipp.

    FG are guaranteed two seats. The problem is Lowry has one of them probably on the first count. Hayes will probably take another possibly on the second count from Lowry's transfers but most likely on the fifth or sixth count when Murphy goes out (the counts in between will be tiny eliminating and distributing the few hundred votes Dillon, Hofman and Fitzgibbon share). That'll leave Coonan as the last FG candidate standing and no where to get transfers from to catch up on Kelly. His elimination could see Kelly over the line.


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    #566
    laoch na mona
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    questionmark? wrote: »
    Two seats? Really? I don't know of they can bring in more than Hayes.

    as I said i'm a pessimist


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    #567
    touts
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    And we're officially off.


    Only 3 weeks left on this thread :-(


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    #568
    Xenophile
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    touts wrote: »
    And we're officially off.


    Only 3 weeks left on this thread :-(

    I am sure that we will continue the discussion until a new Government is formed and that might even mean another election. Spain held a General Election on the 20th.December 2015 and they have failed to form a Government, it could be that Spain may be facing another election.

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    #569
    realdanbreen
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    laoch na mona wrote: »
    had a read of both Cahill and Smiths leaflets, I had to remind myself they were FF. They talk like men whose party hasn't stood over countless scandals
    I don't think anyone in FF tied a man to a JCB , filled it with Semtex and forced him to drive it into a police station or his family would be killed!


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    #570
    Xenophile
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    It's alive! The Alan Kelly Rap has resurfaced

    The Alan Kelly Rap, the song used by Tipperary man in his MEP bid of 2009, has been found.

    It was an instant classic. Lines like "His opinion isn't outdated like lino in kitchens and women like to say he looks like Brian O'Driscoll" prompted quotes like this from Labour's press office:

    ""The song instantly became an internet phenomenon when it was released ahead of the 2009 European elections. The rap song is one of the first ever political raps and the first of its kind in Ireland."

    However, the tune vanished from the internet last year and sparked a search for answers.

    Now here it is.

    http://www.newstalk.com/election2016/The-Alan-Kelly-Rap-has-resurfaced

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    #571
    laoch na mona
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    realdanbreen wrote: »
    I don't think anyone in FF tied a man to a JCB , filled it with Semtex and forced him to drive it into a police station or his family would be killed!

    I doubt it but then again Dan Breen did line up every civic guard in Carlow and had a shot fired over their heads, the west cork brigade carried out numerous attacks on informers, and sean lemass shot british spys as they lay in their beds or walked down the street.

    I personally think the actions of the IRA and the anti treaty forces were justified in the 1920s,

    War is nasty business no matter the decade.


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