Amazon

EarWig · 02-05-2021 5:04pm

gerard2210 wrote: »

Is it being delivered by Anpost or Amazon courier? If it's AnPost you'll be able to change the delivery date if you get the text, not sure about Amazon couriers.

By Amazon. Chat asked for a new date, so they think it works. We shall see.

ohnonotgmail · 02-05-2021 7:01pm

EarWig wrote: »

Ordered yesterday. Delivery date May 10th. Free delivery chosen.

Dispatched this morning, arriving May 3rd.

Doesn't suit so got onto chat and changed delivery date to May 7th earliest.

Does anyone have any experience about whether the new date is respected?

I have rearranged deliveries in the past when the initial date didn't suit and they were delivered on the rearranged date.

Darc19 · 02-05-2021 10:24pm

Pandiculation wrote: »

Seems to me that they’re not going to setup Amazon shopping services tailored for the Irish market. My guess is they’ve seen sales rise significantly due to the lockdown which is driving them to assume they can just continue as-is.

So the massive 650,000 sq ft fulfillment warehouse they have just commenced building in Greenogue is just for a bit of fun?

Pandiculation · 02-05-2021 11:08pm

Darc19 wrote: »

So the massive 650,000 sq ft fulfillment warehouse they have just commenced building in Greenogue is just for a bit of fun?

Well, if it just continues to operate as a version of .co.uk it will be fairly substandard.

EarWig · 03-05-2021 3:40pm

EarWig wrote: »

By Amazon. Chat asked for a new date, so they think it works. We shall see.

Well just delivered to my porch.

What a shi*t company.

Sheep Shagger · 03-05-2021 3:47pm

Pandiculation wrote: »

Well, if it just continues to operate as a version of .co.uk it will be fairly substandard.

I think you find once that opens we'll still be using the Co.uk site but more items will be avaliable here (like in the pre brexit days) as they'll be picked and shipped from here.

Personally prefer to pay GBP prices and let the likes of revolut do the conversion instead of taking Amazons FX rates. We get ripped off by most UK retailers who sell here in the FX conversion.

Darc19 · 03-05-2021 8:22pm

Sheep Shagger wrote: »

I think you find once that opens we'll still be using the Co.uk site but more items will be avaliable here (like in the pre brexit days) as they'll be picked and shipped from here.

Personally prefer to pay GBP prices and let the likes of revolut do the conversion instead of taking Amazons FX rates. We get ripped off by most UK retailers who sell here in the FX conversion.

At 650,000 sq ft (think of 20 large Tescos or 60+ Lidl stores) you can expect most "sold by Amazon" goods and then a huge range of items sold by local Irish sellers.

One More Toy · 03-05-2021 8:31pm

Darc19 wrote: »

At 650,000 sq ft (think of 20 large Tescos or 60+ Lidl stores) you can expect most "sold by Amazon" goods and then a huge range of items sold by local Irish sellers.

When is this supposed to be operational?

Darc19 · 04-05-2021 6:28am

One More Toy wrote: »

When is this supposed to be operational?

Q2 next year. So about this time next year.

Suckit · 05-05-2021 5:15pm

Does this look right?

Item is priced €24.02 - shipping is free but they included it, then added tax and then removed it.
So I would have thought tax or import fees should be zero, as they are below negligible amount with free shipping.

The Continental Op · 05-05-2021 5:43pm

^^^^

Is that Amazon Prime or just free delivery over £25?

whiterebel · 05-05-2021 5:50pm

They still have to account for shipping.No such thing as free.

Suckit · 05-05-2021 6:05pm

sugarman wrote: »

Im going to guess its Amazons new promo for new accounts, free shipping on first order.

They added £6 shipping and removed it as a promo, not the taxes.

The threshold for VAT free items is €22, not €24, hence you're being charged import fees.

Sorry, yes, I should have worded it better. They added €6 shipping. Then added tax on the overall price. Then removed then €6.
So the overall price is €24.02 delivered (it states free shipping, whether or not it is included on the price of the item, I don't know.)
But there should be no vat collected on €24.02 as it says here:

Where the VAT liability on any consignment amounts to less than or equal to €6 it should not be collected

If the shipping wasn't added before the VAT then the VAT amount would be negligible.
The overall price is €24.02, that is the amount I pay, so surely I shouldn't have to pay VAT?
I was just curious more than anything, as I haven't ordered from amazonuk since Brexit.
But it looks incorrect to me.

ohnonotgmail · 05-05-2021 6:06pm

Suckit wrote: »

Sorry, yes, I should have worded it better. They added €6 shipping. Then added tax on the overall price. Then removed then €6.
So the overall price is €24.02 delivered (it states free shipping, whether or not it is included on the price of the item, I don't know.)
But there should be no vat collected on €24.02 as it says here:

If the shipping wasn't added before the VAT then the VAT amount would be negligible.
The overall price is €24.02, that is the amount I pay, so surely I shouldn't have to pay VAT?
I was just curious more than anything, as I haven't ordered from amazonuk since Brexit.
But it looks incorrect to me.

the vatable total includes the shipping. they gave you a discount of €6 but it is the actual value that is relevant.

Suckit · 05-05-2021 6:06pm

The Continental Op wrote: »

^^^^

Is that Amazon Prime or just free delivery over £25?

Normal amazon, I haven't signed up for prime, but have the option of free 30 day trial.

Suckit · 05-05-2021 6:08pm

ohnonotgmail wrote: »

the vatable total includes the shipping. they gave you a discount of €6 but it is the actual value that is relevant.

That's where I got lost a little. So the actual value of shipping is included, regardless.
That seems a bit weird (although probably correct).
If the total value of the item delivered costs me €24.02, then I would have thought that would be what I would get taxed on.

It states shipping is free

The Continental Op · 05-05-2021 6:23pm

Unless you are desperate for it I'd hang on there Suckit that Mango will very likely drop a few quid in price sooner or later its even been down to about a tenner (when I bought it) but that doesn't show on 3c's.com https://uk.camelcamelcamel.com/product/B073TSK26W.

whiterebel · 05-05-2021 7:16pm

Suckit wrote: »

If the shipping wasn't added before the VAT then the VAT amount would be negligible.
The overall price is €24.02, that is the amount I pay, so surely I shouldn't have to pay VAT?
I was just curious more than anything, as I haven't ordered from amazonuk since Brexit.
But it looks incorrect to me.

The €6 minimum for collection is gone since January.

corkie · 05-05-2021 7:20pm

@Suckit

As many of us found out in January

"Duties and taxes are calculated according to the shipping destination's customs regulations. Typically, this calculation is based on our product price and shipping, before any promotions. This allows destination country customs authorities to obtain the accurate import duties and taxes owed to them based on the actual value of the goods. For more information, go to About Customs, Duties & Taxes."
About Import Fees Deposit

Shipping is included in VAT calculations because amazon is paying it, even when discounted for you.
Only Prime actually get shipping free without it included in VAT calculations.

Suckit · 05-05-2021 10:20pm

The Continental Op wrote: »

Unless you are desperate for it I'd hang on there Suckit that Mango will very likely drop a few quid in price sooner or later its even been down to about a tenner (when I bought it) but that doesn't show on 3c's.com https://uk.camelcamelcamel.com/product/B073TSK26W.

Yeah thanks, that's mainly why I was querying the price. I got it for €15 delivered with code last time - the code was under the listing. So I wouldn't fancy paying around twice that for it now.

whiterebel wrote: »

The €6 minimum for collection is gone since January.

Thanks, hadn't realised that. Any idea why was that scrapped?
They should update the revenue.ie site.

corkie wrote: »

@Suckit
As many of us found out in January

"Duties and taxes are calculated according to the shipping destination's customs regulations. Typically, this calculation is based on our product price and shipping, before any promotions. This allows destination country customs authorities to obtain the accurate import duties and taxes owed to them based on the actual value of the goods. For more information, go to About Customs, Duties & Taxes."
About Import Fees Deposit

Shipping is included in VAT calculations because amazon is paying it, even when discounted for you.
Only Prime actually get shipping free without it included in VAT calculations.

Ah... Hadn't realised that either, so that is obviously the reason why. Nice of amazon to be so concerned about other countries taxes.. :rolleyes:

Thanks all..

Darc19 · 05-05-2021 11:49pm

Suckit wrote: »

Does this look right?

Item is priced €24.02 - shipping is free but they included it, then added tax and then removed it.
So I would have thought tax or import fees should be zero, as they are below negligible amount with free shipping.

That is correct as the free shipping still has a cost even if you are not being charged

whiterebel · 06-05-2021 12:26am

Suckit wrote: »

Yeah thanks, that's mainly why I was querying the price. I got it for €15 delivered with code last time - the code was under the listing. So I wouldn't fancy paying around twice that for it now.

Thanks, hadn't realised that. Any idea why was that scrapped?
They should update the revenue.ie site.

Ah... Hadn't realised that either, so that is obviously the reason why. Nice of amazon to be so concerned about other countries taxes.. :rolleyes:

Thanks all..

Amazon have a legal obligation to Revenue to do it correctly. They pay the necessary tax in Ireland. Revenue tidied up a lot of pages, if you query it with them it will probably be removed straight away.

quad_red · 08-05-2021 4:01pm

Hi folks,

I've read through the thread but I haven't come across this one (apologies if i've overlooked this elsewhere).

I bought a Roborock vacuum for my folks (pet hair, bad backs etc.). What came was a filthy used unit, missing parts with the previous owners return docket still stuck to the front of it.

Starting the return process was no problem - they said it was my responsibility to return but they'd only cover it up to eleven euro.

But, as many others have experienced, An Post won't accept it. They won't issue a docket to bring it back to Port Laoise. Amazon Uk aren't interested.

Tried Parceltogo.com and they quoted 81 sterling to return the thing.

UPS say they won't ship to the address Amazon provided because the postcode is invalid. Amazon won't provide an alternative.

If this thing hadn't cost 250 quid I'd have given up by now.

Anyone have any suggestions what I can do here? (I will never buy anything off amazon de ever again).

Cheers,
Quad

Peregrinus · 08-05-2021 4:06pm

Why won't An Post accept it? I mean, I get that they won't accept it for the depot in Port Laoise, but can't you just post it back to the address in Germany?

quad_red · 08-05-2021 4:19pm

Peregrinus wrote: »

Why won't An Post accept it? I mean, I get that they won't accept it for the depot in Port Laoise, but can't you just post it back to the address in Germany?

Because it has a battery.

Tried UPS there. Because it has a battery it'll cost me 47 quid from them.

Which Amazon will pay 11 quid of.

VG31 · 08-05-2021 5:30pm

quad_red wrote: »

Because it has a battery.

Tried UPS there. Because it has a battery it'll cost me 47 quid from them.

Which Amazon will pay 11 quid of.

I posted something to Amazon.de before that cost me €18 to post. I went to the chat and they refunded the whole €18.

You're entitled to a refund of the return postage costs unless you changed your mind. Contact them through the chat. I wouldn't pay any attention to the €11 thing.

quad_red wrote: »

UPS say they won't ship to the address Amazon provided because the postcode is invalid. Amazon won't provide an alternative.

What is the postcode? Is it 36251 (Bad Hersfeld)?

whiterebel · 08-05-2021 11:33pm

How is it your responsibility to return it? If its supposed to be new and arrived in that state, its theirnproblem, not yours.

theWebAdvisor · 08-05-2021 11:47pm

Suckit wrote: »

Does this look right?

Item is priced €24.02 - shipping is free but they included it, then added tax and then removed it.
So I would have thought tax or import fees should be zero, as they are below negligible amount with free shipping.

The 24.02 is Amazon UK's price including UK VAT, however they are delivering directly to Ireland, the end customer is not UK based. Certainly I would have thought it would be 24.02 minus 20% UK VAT and then calculations apply. Previously did Amazon not change the final amount to reflect Irish VAT.
If my interpretation is correct it is a nice margin enhancement for someone.
I did run a couple of test orders below any duty rates on a Amazon business account with VAT broken down and showed both UK VAT and then "import fees" being applied as the order was below duty rates VAT was the only item due to Irish revenue. I stuck to free shipping so all fulfilled by Amazon.

antimatterx · 09-05-2021 12:14pm

This isn't correct right?

Amazon aren't removing the Uk vat a checkout, and they're then adding irish vat.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07MM4V7NR/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3QGNG67LYQEJK&psc=1

09-05-2021 12:17pm

antimatterx wrote: »

This isn't correct right?

Amazon aren't removing the Uk vat a checkout, and they're then adding irish vat.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07MM4V7NR/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3QGNG67LYQEJK&psc=1

It is. Sold by third party with no UK VAT to be removed.

whiterebel · 09-05-2021 12:22pm

Not sold by Amazon?

The Continental Op · 09-05-2021 12:29pm

antimatterx wrote: »

This isn't correct right?

Amazon aren't removing the Uk vat a checkout, and they're then adding irish vat.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B07MM4V7NR/ref=ox_sc_act_title_1?smid=A3QGNG67LYQEJK&psc=1

Most sellers that have their stuff fulfilled by Amazon take the VAT off, however some don't show the VAT separately in the price (the invoice shows no VAT) in which case the VAT doesn't come off.

I had this, needed the item anyway so went ahead then contacted the seller after it arrived and got a refund of the UK VAT but can't be sure if all sellers will do that. I contacted Amazon first and they said VAT or any refund was up to the seller and to contact the seller.

davetherave · 09-05-2021 1:50pm

theWebAdvisor wrote: »

The 24.02 is Amazon UK's price including UK VAT, however they are delivering directly to Ireland, the end customer is not UK based. Certainly I would have thought it would be 24.02 minus 20% UK VAT and then calculations apply. Previously did Amazon not change the final amount to reflect Irish VAT.
If my interpretation is correct it is a nice margin enhancement for someone.
I did run a couple of test orders below any duty rates on a Amazon business account with VAT broken down and showed both UK VAT and then "import fees" being applied as the order was below duty rates VAT was the only item due to Irish revenue. I stuck to free shipping so all fulfilled by Amazon.

No, that doesn't seem right. The item price is the item price before VAT is charged. If they are at the "Buy in GBP" stage then they have selected an address and payment card. The €24.02 is just the item price.

smile.amazon.co.uk/GL-iNet-GL-MT300N-V2-Converter-Pre-installed-Performance/dp/B073TSK26W

Same item: Going to a Belfast address with HMRC getting their cut.

Amazon.co.uk Order Summary
Items: GBP 21.57
Postage & Packing: GBP 0.00
Total before VAT: GBP 21.57
Estimated VAT: GBP 4.31
Order Total: GBP 25.8

Going to a Dublin Address with Revenue getting their cut.
Order Summary
Items: GBP 21.57 (EUR 24,82)
Postage & Packing: GBP 0.00
Import Fees Deposit: GBP 4.96 (EUR 5,71)
Order Total: GBP 26.53 (31,18)

Same item price, different vat amounts.

quad_red · 09-05-2021 6:10pm

whiterebel wrote: »

How is it your responsibility to return it? If its supposed to be new and arrived in that state, its theirnproblem, not yours.

They won’t engage. At this point I’ve argued with loads of people on web chat. The worst experience I’ve ever had with Amazon. I’ll never buy anything off Amazon DE again.

whiterebel · 09-05-2021 6:13pm

quad_red wrote: »

They won’t engage. At this point I’ve argued with loads of people on web chat. The worst experience I’ve ever had with Amazon. I’ll never buy anything off Amazon DE again.

Go to your bank and ask them about doing a chargeback. They will need all written communication that you have, but this one looks open and shut.

stevetalk · 11-05-2021 10:52pm

Just bought something off English Amazon and it had the option for economy delivery to keep the price under the customs threshold. No delivery date was given, anyone have any idea when I can expect it? I'm guessing 2+ weeks

Suckit · 11-05-2021 11:45pm

stevetalk wrote: »

Just bought something off English Amazon and it had the option for economy delivery to keep the price under the customs threshold. No delivery date was given, anyone have any idea when I can expect it? I'm guessing 2+ weeks

I can't imagine economy delivery from the UK would take 2 weeks unless they are using it as a reason for you to use an alternative paid delivery in the future, which could be a possibility.

Slow economy delivery I would expect to take a week - 10 days at most.

stevetalk · 13-05-2021 6:29pm

Suckit wrote: »

I can't imagine economy delivery from the UK would take 2 weeks unless they are using it as a reason for you to use an alternative paid delivery in the future, which could be a possibility.

Slow economy delivery I would expect to take a week - 10 days at most.

Got an email today. 17th June. I said **** it and paid the extra fiver to get it next week. Economy delivery seems to be about 5 weeks.

1huge1 · 13-05-2021 6:32pm

Unusual, I though most economy deliveries came within a week.

Suckit · 13-05-2021 6:32pm

stevetalk wrote: »

Got an email today. 17th June. I said **** it and paid the extra fiver to get it next week. Economy delivery seems to be about 5 weeks.

Maybe it's coming from Europe? Seems a bit mad otherwise.

VG31 · 13-05-2021 6:45pm

Suckit wrote: »

Maybe it's coming from Europe? Seems a bit mad otherwise.

I highly doubt it. I've had Amazon orders shipped from Germany, Poland, Czech Republic, Spain and France in the last month and none have taken more than 5 days.

They probably just take ages to dispatch it.

EarWig · 13-05-2021 9:00pm

stevetalk wrote: »

Got an email today. 17th June. I said **** it and paid the extra fiver to get it next week. Economy delivery seems to be about 5 weeks.

Maybe that's your problem. I never pay for delivery and it still comes in a few days. You've shown you care about speed of delivery. I don't.

Suckit · 14-05-2021 12:21am

VG31 wrote: »

I highly doubt it. I've had Amazon orders shipped from Germany, Poland, Czech Republic, Spain and France in the last month and none have taken more than 5 days.

They probably just take ages to dispatch it.

Same as that. I meant maybe coming from Europe to UK warehouse and then to be shipped out. Far more likely coming from USA or China, which maybe why they are asking for payment for faster delivery.
I got a phone from Spain on the way and the fast shipping was only €1 more than the slow, and the slow was estimated 12 days.
No idea why economy would be 5 weeks from the UK. Presumably not dispatched by Amazon.

karlitob · 18-05-2021 11:48am

Would anyone know if there’s a version of parcel motel in Germany?

I want to buy a wacker and cement mixer. Fantastic deal on Amazon.de from the company but they won’t deliver to ireland.

Could anyone guide as to what options I would have. Thanks in advance.

Enrico Palazzo · 18-05-2021 11:49am

karlitob wrote: »

Would anyone know if there’s a version of parcel motel in Germany?

I want to buy a wacker and cement mixer. Fantastic deal on Amazon.de from the company but they won’t deliver to ireland.

Could anyone guide as to what options I would have. Thanks in advance.

https://www.mailboxde.com/

karlitob · 21-05-2021 10:02am

Enrico Palazzo wrote: »

https://www.mailboxde.com/

Thank you.

No luck - they came back to say 60kg is the limit. I’ll be at 100kg. Any other ideas?

Thanks for replying.

whiterebel · 21-05-2021 10:12am

You could try freight forwarders such as DHL, DSV, TNT who have road freight services from Germany. They would need it on a pallet though, I would think

karlitob · 21-05-2021 11:33am

whiterebel wrote: »

You could try freight forwarders such as DHL, DSV, TNT who have road freight services from Germany. They would need it on a pallet though, I would think

Thank you.
I’m guessing that’s expensive!

Jinny Joe · 21-05-2021 1:15pm

Sorry this is not a reply but a new query. If I buy a Kindle E-reader from Amazon.de. rather than Amazon.co.uk will I save on costs due to Eurozone taxes on UK purchases.

corkie · 21-05-2021 1:30pm

Jinny Joe wrote: »

Sorry this is not a reply but a new query. If I buy a Kindle E-reader from Amazon.de. rather than Amazon.co.uk will I save on costs due to Eurozone taxes on UK purchases.

Compare the product on both sites. Or across eu sites https://www.hagglezon.com

https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B07FQ4DJ7X
EUR 81.21 (before removal of uk vat and Irish Vat added) ~~~ EUR 86,63
^^^ This product only ships to the United Kingdom, Guernsey, Gibraltar, Ireland, Isle of Man or Jersey.

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B07FQ4DJ7X ~~~ €79.99
^^^ This product only ships to Germany, Austria, Liechtenstein, Luxembourg or Switzerland.

You would have to find a .de link for the product that ships here?

Amazon

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