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Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

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    #7262
    Chris_5339762
    Registered Users Posts: 5,858 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    9 cases in Cork today.

    Damn it we're doing well down here


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    #7263
    Gael23
    Registered Users Posts: 12,089 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    No more easing restrictions https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/department-of-health-confirms-dr-tony-holohans-return-as-cmo-1114521.html?fbclid=IwAR3XeM_S1a_J0FME9vDlmKdjs-p4XOFPHoIHPhML8-V-Yy9bMrAVOZJ2q38


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    #7264
    prunudo
    Registered Users Posts: 7,121 ✭✭✭prunudo


    Mirafiori wrote: »
    Is there a concern that the 12 week interval could see people feel less inclined to take the second jab, as opposed to the shorter 4 week interval? Are you suggesting this is what they may be concerned about? I suppose the mood music in terms of the imperative to be vaccinated will be very different 12 weeks later in some cases, depending on when the first dose was administered. The upbeat atmosphere associated with lifting restrictions could conceivably backfire (or the UK government might be afraid of this).

    Something has them spooked, sure only last week he said it was lockdowns, more so than vaccines that allowed them to open up.
    Wonder are they sensing a delay in sourcing enough az for people to get their second jab.


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    #7265
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users Posts: 4,977 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Gael23 wrote: »
    No more easing restrictions https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/department-of-health-confirms-dr-tony-holohans-return-as-cmo-1114521.html?fbclid=IwAR3XeM_S1a_J0FME9vDlmKdjs-p4XOFPHoIHPhML8-V-Yy9bMrAVOZJ2q38

    Well it was fun


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    #7266
    Wolf359f
    Registered Users Posts: 5,718 ✭✭✭Wolf359f


    TheDoctor wrote: »
    Well it was fun

    And so soon after Ronan Glynn was sounding so positive! /s


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    #7267
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users Posts: 4,977 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Gael23 wrote: »
    No more easing restrictions https://www.breakingnews.ie/ireland/department-of-health-confirms-dr-tony-holohans-return-as-cmo-1114521.html?fbclid=IwAR3XeM_S1a_J0FME9vDlmKdjs-p4XOFPHoIHPhML8-V-Yy9bMrAVOZJ2q38

    https://frinkiac.com/meme/S06E21/999981.jpg?b64lines=IEFMTCBSSUdIVC4gWU9VIExJU1RFTiBVUCwKIFlPVSBMSVRUTEUgRlJFQUtTISBUSEUKIEZVTiBTVE9QUyBIRVJFLg==


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    #7268
    TheDoctor
    Registered Users Posts: 4,977 ✭✭✭TheDoctor


    Hospital numbers at 8pm

    Total 172 (down from 175 last night)
    ICU 47 (down from 48 last night - 1 death)

    Last Tuesday
    Total 189
    ICU 47


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    #7269
    BlondeBomb
    Registered Users Posts: 413 ✭✭BlondeBomb


    Good numbers. I imagine it will slow down a bit now as a lot of the 172 would be recent admissions.

    Do we have any info of an average stay in hospital/icu for Covid patients.


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    #7270
    boardise
    Registered Users Posts: 3,405 ✭✭✭boardise


    Chris_5339762 wrote: »
    9 cases in Cork today.

    Damn it we're doing well down here

    Just imagine if you're a bar/restaurant/cafe owner with ample outside seating in a place like say, Schull, Castletownbere , Youghal or anywhere really and yet you can't open up so that locals or visitors from the county with minuscule numbers of cases can have a pizza or a coffee and a muffin in fine spring weather -you must be wondering what kind of numbskulls are running the show. Same applies to many other counties .
    I heard Michael Healy-Rae y'day and I agreed fully with what he said -why not give it a trial , monitor it and if anything arises -damp it down.
    The torpor of so-called leaders is pathetic to behold.


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    #7271
    Timmy O Toole
    Registered Users Posts: 348 ✭✭Timmy O Toole


    Rte prime time reporting nearly 4k excess deaths in 2020 is flat out lie. Less people died in 2020 than an average year


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    #7272
    Batattackrat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 222 ✭✭Batattackrat


    Timmy O Toole wrote: »
    Rte prime time reporting nearly 4k excess deaths in 2020 is flat out lie. Less people died in 2020 than an average year

    There was an extra 10% of deaths. Thats nothing though compared to the people who have a delayed cancer diagnosis.


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    #7273
    Turtwig
    Registered Users Posts: 26,578 ✭✭✭✭Turtwig


    Timmy O Toole wrote: »
    Rte prime time reporting nearly 4k excess deaths in 2020 is flat out lie. Less people died in 2020 than an average year

    Did RTÉ use the word lie?

    Or are you just applying sensationalist nonsense.

    RTÉ reported that in 1 in 4 covid deathes would likely have been deaths that would have occurred over the year if there was no covid. They also reported that over 3,000 people would likely be alive now if it wasn't for covid.


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    #7274
    wadacrack
    Registered Users Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    JTMan wrote: »
    Interesting that Boris said "firmly" that there would be another "wave".

    If correct, what will cause the "wave"? Will it be a combo of the un-vaccinated, children who have not yet got the vaccine and some waning of the vaccines?

    Could it be a wave of mild infections?

    I have seen some people comment that they expect cases to increase in the late Autumn but surely, if that happens, it will be mainly mild cases, manageable and not requiring any big restrictions? Except perhaps some light guidance such as work from home if possible.

    No vaccine is 100% effective at preventing infection as of yet. He is just stating the obvious. Remains to be seen how serious it might be


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    #7275
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    boardise wrote: »
    Just imagine if you're a bar/restaurant/cafe owner with ample outside seating in a place like say, Schull, Castletownbere , Youghal or anywhere really and yet you can't open up so that locals or visitors from the county with minuscule numbers of cases can have a pizza or a coffee and a muffin in fine spring weather -you must be wondering what kind of numbskulls are running the show. Same applies to many other counties .
    I heard Michael Healy-Rae y'day and I agreed fully with what he said -why not give it a trial , monitor it and if anything arises -damp it down.
    The torpor of so-called leaders is pathetic to behold.
    It's not torpor, we're doing this very slowly. We also need to get to a greater number of people vaccinated so that the risk of something arising is absolutely minimised. It's also a NPHET input and they would not recommend it at present as they clearly have their eyes on June/ next few months etc.


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    #7276
    wadacrack
    Registered Users Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    The situation is Brazil seems to have credible evidence now of how serious it is.

    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1384738025251426304


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    #7277
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    wadacrack wrote: »
    The situation is Brazil seems to have credible evidence now of how serious it is.

    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1384738025251426304
    Brazil is evidence of just how bad everything can get when you just let it run rampant, only Italy, in our part of the world, got caught like that and it was relatively brief.


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    #7278
    Golfman64
    Registered Users Posts: 314 ✭✭Golfman64


    wadacrack wrote: »
    The situation is Brazil seems to have credible evidence now of how serious it is.

    https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1384738025251426304

    Thankfully all EMA approved vaccines have been shown as effective against these variants. Really illustrates the importance of the vaccine rollout and the need to balance risk by administering the J&J and AZ vaccines, especially to the vulnerable.


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    #7279
    wadacrack
    Registered Users Posts: 4,172 ✭✭✭wadacrack


    Golfman64 wrote: »
    Thankfully all EMA approved vaccines have been shown as effective against these variants. Really illustrates the importance of the vaccine rollout and the need to balance risk by administering the J&J and AZ vaccines, especially to the vulnerable.

    That's reassuring yea. Its been quite difficult to know where we actually stand with these variants. Lot of conflicting reports. Its a bit strange.


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    #7280
    [Deleted User]
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    Golfman64 wrote: »
    Thankfully all EMA approved vaccines have been shown as effective against these variants. Really illustrates the importance of the vaccine rollout and the need to balance risk by administering the J&J and AZ vaccines, especially to the vulnerable.

    The info on the vaccines is all over the place, Tony Blair has just been speaking on sky news about AZ and he said the chance of getting clots from AZ is one in 250,000. Last week on RTE some doctor said it was 1 in a million. The blood clots are considered extremely rare in normal circumstances. So for anything to increase the chances of something which is extremely rare normally needs to be considered I think. Last week RTE said 40% of people don't know they have Covid-19. If you were in that 40% and got it for the greater good but developed the 1/250k clots that rendered you in a vegetative state, that would be something to consider. once the vulnerable get the jab, under 50's say should do what they want and we still have no idea of the effect of the vaccines over 5 years which is how long many trials go for.
    Also the trials were carried out with a dose specific gap between jabs. If because of low numbers, the GOVT deviate from that, it's not in keeping with trials and all outcomes go out the window.


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    #7281
    OwenM
    Registered Users Posts: 859 ✭✭✭OwenM


    Tpcl20 wrote: »
    If second dose of Pfizer is given at a longer interval, in cancer patients and other vulnerable groups the efficacy drops to nothing.

    Cancer patients and organ transplant recipients because their immune system has been deliberately suppressed as part of their treatment?


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    #7282
    OwenM
    Registered Users Posts: 859 ✭✭✭OwenM


    is_that_so wrote: »
    the risk of something arising is absolutely minimised.

    There are no absolutes.

    It's about taking risks and peoples appetite for risk, which is where politicians and in particular Martin have failed miserably.

    The risk of dying from Covid for the average forty year old is about the same as dying in a car crash over the course of a year but we have people practically hiding under their beds because of covid who were totally happy commuting to work an hour each day before this whole thing started.


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    #7283
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    OwenM wrote: »
    There are no absolutes.

    It's about taking risks and peoples appetite for risk, which is where politicians and in particular Martin have failed miserably.

    The risk of dying from Covid for the average forty year old is about the same as dying in a car crash over the course of a year but we have people practically hiding under their beds because of covid who were totally happy commuting to work an hour each day before this whole thing started.
    Minimised from a NPHET perspective. If you go to such absolutes we might as well give up any semblance of real life until COVID has been eradicated in the next decade.


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    #7284
    Rebelbrowser
    Registered Users Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭Rebelbrowser


    rusty cole wrote: »
    The info on the vaccines is all over the place, Tony Blair has just been speaking on sky news about AZ and he said the chance of getting clots from AZ is one in 250,000. Last week on RTE some doctor said it was 1 in a million. The blood clots are considered extremely rare in normal circumstances. So for anything to increase the chances of something which is extremely rare normally needs to be considered I think. Last week RTE said 40% of people don't know they have Covid-19. If you were in that 40% and got it for the greater good but developed the 1/250k clots that rendered you in a vegetative state, that would be something to consider. once the vulnerable get the jab, under 50's say should do what they want and we still have no idea of the effect of the vaccines over 5 years which is how long many trials go for.
    Also the trials were carried out with a dose specific gap between jabs. If because of low numbers, the GOVT deviate from that, it's not in keeping with trials and all outcomes go out the window.

    Thinks its 1/250,000 to get a post AZ clot, 1/1,000,000 to die from it - so that GP and Tony Blair on the same page...


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    #7285
    kleiner feigling
    Registered Users Posts: 154 ✭✭kleiner feigling


    We need to start looking at other solutions apart from vaccines, particularly around treatment and prevention.
    Vaccines are not going to be the silver bullet that people had hoped.

    In CDC data 5,800 fully vaccinated people (Pfizer-BioNTech & Moderna) still became ill or tested positive (and yes, some died)
    It's a small number from the millions who've been vaccinated, but it's bound to continue with the virus constantly mutating.

    These so-called breakthrough infections occurred among people of all ages. Just over 40% were in people age 60 or older, and 65% occurred in women. Twenty-nine percent of infected people reported no symptoms, but 7% were hospitalized and just over 1%, 74 people, died, according to the CDC.

    https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210417/The-shock-and-reality-of-catching-Covid-after-being-vaccinated.aspx


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    #7286
    greyday
    Registered Users Posts: 674 ✭✭✭greyday


    India had 300,000 new infections yesterday, there is no doubt that this increases the risks of new variants emerging, at some point in time a new variant will emerge that will require a serious re-engineering of the Mrna vaccines which have proven so effective thus far, there is every chance that targeting the spike protein which has worked up to now will not work in the future with new variants.


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    #7287
    bennyineire
    Registered Users Posts: 2,468 ✭✭✭bennyineire


    kleiner feigling wrote: »
    We need to start looking at other solutions apart from vaccines, particularly around treatment and prevention.
    Vaccines are not going to be the silver bullet that people had hoped.

    In CDC data 5,800 fully vaccinated people (Pfizer-BioNTech & Moderna) still became ill or tested positive.
    It's a small number from the millions who've been vaccinated, but it's bound to continue with the virus constantly mutating.

    These so-called breakthrough infections occurred among people of all ages. Just over 40% were in people age 60 or older, and 65% occurred in women. Twenty-nine percent of infected people reported no symptoms, but 7% were hospitalized and just over 1%, 74 people, died, according to the CDC.

    https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210417/The-shock-and-reality-of-catching-Covid-after-being-vaccinated.aspx

    5,800 out of 200,000,000 vaccines administrated which equates to 0.0029%

    The vaccines are the silver bullet going by those numbers to me, I'm not sure you are considering the vast population of the U.S. and the vast nimbler of vaccines administered there, 0.0029% is a miniscule number


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    #7288
    is_that_so
    Registered Users Posts: 32,136 ✭✭✭✭is_that_so


    exitfee wrote: »
    Brazil are in a bad way but re-infections are a none issue, it's just more scare mongering.

    How many people have died from re-infections in the last 18 months?

    I am looking on google and can only find an 89 year old immunocompromised dutch women, it must be incredibly rare.
    It is incredibly rare but in a viral primordial soup like Brazil anything can happen!


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    #7289
    funnydoggy
    Registered Users Posts: 2,062 ✭✭✭funnydoggy


    kleiner feigling wrote: »
    We need to start looking at other solutions apart from vaccines, particularly around treatment and prevention.
    Vaccines are not going to be the silver bullet that people had hoped.

    In CDC data 5,800 fully vaccinated people (Pfizer-BioNTech & Moderna) still became ill or tested positive (and yes, some died)
    It's a small number from the millions who've been vaccinated, but it's bound to continue with the virus constantly mutating.

    These so-called breakthrough infections occurred among people of all ages. Just over 40% were in people age 60 or older, and 65% occurred in women. Twenty-nine percent of infected people reported no symptoms, but 7% were hospitalized and just over 1%, 74 people, died, according to the CDC.

    https://www.news-medical.net/news/20210417/The-shock-and-reality-of-catching-Covid-after-being-vaccinated.aspx


    Give this a read:


    https://twitter.com/BallouxFrancois/status/1381327338533699587




    Treatments will get better but that's not the end goal. Vaccines are and always will be the silver bullet.


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    #7290
    snotboogie
    Registered Users Posts: 3,568 ✭✭✭snotboogie


    greyday wrote: »
    India had 300,000 new infections yesterday, there is no doubt that this increases the risks of new variants emerging, at some point in time a new variant will emerge that will require a serious re-engineering of the Mrna vaccines which have proven so effective thus far, there is every chance that targeting the spike protein which has worked up to now will not work in the future with new variants.

    I thought the conclusion a number of months ago was that the virus had nowhere else to go beyond the Brazilian and South African variants without reducing transmisibility? Any further changes that would evade vaccines would reduce the effectiveness of the spread. Would explain why we haven't seen a new varient of concern spread widely since December.


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    #7291
    DaSilva
    Registered Users Posts: 695 ✭✭✭DaSilva


    greyday wrote: »
    India had 300,000 new infections yesterday, there is no doubt that this increases the risks of new variants emerging
    True, it does increase the risk of new variants, although USA was doing similar numbers a few months ago.
    greyday wrote: »
    at some point in time a new variant will emerge that will require a serious re-engineering of the Mrna vaccines which have proven so effective thus far

    Pure speculation, not a guarantee.
    greyday wrote: »
    there is every chance that targeting the spike protein which has worked up to now will not work in the future with new variants.

    There is some chance, there are not an infinite number of viable mutations in the spike protein. There is no guarantee or evidence that there exists some other form of the spike protein that presents itself as being completely different to the immune system that is still functional. It might exist, but so far, despite millions of infections it has so far not been observed. Lets get some rational thinking going here, its theoretically possible, nothing more.


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