Covid 19 Part XXXIV-249,437 ROI(4,906 deaths) 120,195 NI (2,145 deaths)(01/05)Read OP

mloc123

kleiner feigling wrote: »

What do people make of Luke O'Neill refusing a vaccine?
It seems so odd to me.
He says it's because he doesn't work in a hospital, although some of his colleagues collect the covid samples from the hospital (!)
Doesn't his lab literally handle covid samples and research?

https://www.rte.ie/radio/radioplayer/html5/#/radio1/21940808
You'll hear him say it at about 26 minutes mark.

Luke will do anything for a bit more screen time these days... just look at what he will lower himself to on the Claire Byrne show. So this doesn't surprise me in the slightest

ax530

I thought the best vaccine to get was the one offered first - I think the lab workers should all accept it when offered what we need is vaccines in arms, perhaps refusing when given genuine offers via work ect will cause more admin type work which will delay the end line.

Jim_Hodge

Turtwig wrote: »

He's fever and he's admitted to hospital. His symptoms may get worse.

You can't conclude anything about the vaccines from a single case but you have actually done something worse you have claimed the vaccine works because his symptoms are mild. There's every possibility that his condition deteriorates. If that happens you have painted yourself into a corner.

The bigger issue here is Dr Sally reporting on such a high profile isolated incident with the use of a questionable vaccine.

People seem to think the vaccine gives total immunity. It reduces severity. Two HCWs at a local nursing home here have tested positive although fully vaccinated since February. People need to understand that the vaccine is not a silver bullet.

Eod100

https://twitter.com/gavreilly/status/1384503363698675716

KrustyUCC

Well i suppose that gives them three more days for leaks and kite flying

mloc123

mloc123 wrote: »

Luke will do anything for a bit more screen time these days... just look at what he will lower himself to on the Claire Byrne show. So this doesn't surprise me in the slightest

its; not even that, there's the issue of transmissibility. Also he's in and out of more studious, news outlets and shows than anyone. If he were like 40% of people totally asymptomatic, he's spreading it so if he believes his own talk on efficacy against transmission, he should have taken it then and there if even to lead by example the mouthpiece.

stephenjmcd

Today's swabs

399 positive swabs, 2.65% positivity on 15,051 tests.
7 day test positivity is 2.7%.

To compare with last week

352 positive swabs, 2.58% positivity on 13,650 tests.

Much of a muchness really

KrustyUCC

stephenjmcd wrote: »

Today's swabs

399 positive swabs, 2.65% positivity on 15,051 tests.
7 day test positivity is 2.7%.

To compare with last week

352 positive swabs, 2.58% positivity on 13,650 tests.

Much of a muchness really

Not too bad with the extra testing

1401 extra tests gets 47 more positive swabs

RebelButtMunch

seamus wrote: »

It is, but it's because they're giving people every fighting chance.

With normal hospital numbers, you expect a covid admission to either test negative or be discharged within two weeks. So there's a fairly predictable cycle time and a fairly constant flow of discharges. If the number of new patients is low this week, then you know that the total hospital numbers will drop.

The ICU numbers are (as far as I understand it), not just people who are covid-positive, but people who are still fighting complications as a result of covid, whether they're positive or negative.

So they can be in there for weeks upon weeks. Which means that even if you have few or no new admissions to ICU this week, you're not guaranteed for the numbers to drop.

Is there younger people going to ICU now, than say, when older people were not vaccinated? Thus the younger people in ICU are able to hold on/fight longer?

Klonker

Didn't see it mentioned on here yet but Cillian de Gascun was on Claire Byrne and said we have not seen any more severe decease here or in other jurisdictions except for the UK who first said this was the case.

timsey tiger

KrustyUCC wrote: »

Not too bad with the extra testing

1401 extra tests gets 47 more positive swabs

This X extra tests gets Y extra possitives, type of thing only has meaning when testing is at a low level.

pauldry

Numbers are skewed.

More than half the cases are in Dublin Kildare Offaly but the other counties have very few. Sligo had no cases for a few days.

Munster doing very well too. Why do all counties have to get branded with one brush costing liveliehoods and jobs.

bennyineire

pauldry wrote: »

Numbers are skewed.

More than half the cases are in Dublin Kildare Offaly but the other counties have very few. Sligo had no cases for a few days.

Munster doing very well too. Why do all counties have to get branded with one brush costing liveliehoods and jobs.

Offaly had 6 cases yesterday

ednwireland

pauldry wrote: »

Numbers are skewed.

More than half the cases are in Dublin Kildare Offaly but the other counties have very few. Sligo had no cases for a few days.

Munster doing very well too. Why do all counties have to get branded with one brush costing liveliehoods and jobs.

our LEA in donegal only had 9 cases in the last two weeks

stephenjmcd

Hard not to see the impact of vaccination here

https://twitter.com/RiochtConor2/status/1384523981265543170?s=19

boardise

kleiner feigling wrote: »

Yeah perhaps, but people who are legitimately offered it (like LO'N) should probably take it when offered. That seems to have been the message all along, to take it when you are offered it.
It probably is a case of ego; playing a faux-hero by skipping his chance.

Why on earth would you form a condemnatory judgement on the basis of no evidence whatsoever ? Seems as pointless as it is unnecessary.

mloc123

pauldry wrote: »

Numbers are skewed.

More than half the cases are in Dublin Kildare Offaly but the other counties have very few. Sligo had no cases for a few days.

Munster doing very well too. Why do all counties have to get branded with one brush costing liveliehoods and jobs.

Because you will have a mass exodus of people from the locked down counties to the open counties, just like last year when they tried the regional lockdowns.

kleiner feigling

boardise wrote: »

Why on earth would you form a condemnatory judgement on the basis of no evidence whatsoever ? Seems as pointless as it is unnecessary.

I addressed this in a previous reply, and accepted that it's not for me to make assertions about his motive.
I still think he should have taken it, given his understanding of these matters.
And I still think he gets too much airtime. IMHO

BTW, pointless and unnecessary are synonyms.

marno21

Klonker wrote: »

Didn't see it mentioned on here yet but Cillian de Gascun was on Claire Byrne and said we have not seen any more severe decease here or in other jurisdictions except for the UK who first said this was the case.

Excellent interview.

He did well to explain the science and downplay the fearmongering despite repeated attempts by Claire Byrne to promote vaccines not working, variants evading vaccines, “double mutants” etc. Very good communication by him

Embarrassing by RTÉ

Hooter23

Denmark said the vaccines are too dangerous for them to use so are kindly giving them to poorer countries....as for here in ireland we are now skipping the over 60s group and instead the vaccines will be giving to younger people....at least that way the side effects might not show up until years later and sure by then who'd care

podgeandrodge

Bit of a bummer, after having had second does in February:

Dealgan House Nursing Home in Dundalk, Co Louth, has confirmed that two staff have tested positive for Covid-19.

It said the staff had been fully vaccinated and had their second dose in February.

They were found to have the virus recently during routine serial testing, which is conducted fortnightly in the home.

The staff had displayed no symptoms.

The nursing home said that all residents there have been vaccinated and it has temporarily suspended visits pending advice from public health.


https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2021/0420/1211006-deaglan-house/


I know it's possible to contract Covid after being fully vaccinated, and given they weren't sick, it's still good. Unless it's the scariants!

zinfandel

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Bit of a bummer, after having had second does in February:

Dealgan House Nursing Home in Dundalk, Co Louth, has confirmed that two staff have tested positive for Covid-19.

It said the staff had been fully vaccinated and had their second dose in February.

They were found to have the virus recently during routine serial testing, which is conducted fortnightly in the home.

The staff had displayed no symptoms.

The nursing home said that all residents there have been vaccinated and it has temporarily suspended visits pending advice from public health.


https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2021/0420/1211006-deaglan-house/

is that not the thing... even vaccinated , you can still catch it and spread it , but you should not get sick, which is why vaccinated people should still use masks in public places...

Rebelbrowser

GP data a bit disappointing, no? Two days of big jumps on the trot (Friday and yesterday's figures)

Parachutes

zinfandel wrote: »

is that not the thing... even vaccinated , you can still catch it and spread it , but you should not get sick, which is why vaccinated people should still use masks in public places...

I suspect this has more to do with the woeful accuracy of testing, rather than them having the virus...

bennyineire

Hooter23 wrote: »

Denmark said the vaccines are too dangerous for them to use so are kindly giving them to poorer countries....as for here in ireland we are now skipping the over 60s group and instead the vaccines will be giving to younger people....at least that way the side effects might not show up until years later and sure by then who'd care

They have stopped using the AstraZeneca vaccine but are still using pfizer and moderna, stop spreading false information

Ficheall

berocca2016 wrote: »

All the vaccines currently approved by the EMA have proven to be 100% effective at preventing serious illness or death.

Have they? 100% is pretty high...
Have you a link to a reasonable reference?

Beasty

Hooter23 wrote: »

Denmark said the vaccines are too dangerous for them to use so are kindly giving them to poorer countries....as for here in ireland we are now skipping the over 60s group and instead the vaccines will be giving to younger people....at least that way the side effects might not show up until years later and sure by then who'd care

Quit the trolling or you will lose posting privileges

stephenjmcd

Rebelbrowser wrote: »

GP data a bit disappointing, no? Two days of big jumps on the trot (Friday and yesterday's figures)

If you scroll down you'll see a handful of areas reporting larger numbers of possible covid than normal, in particular I'm looking at Laois, Monaghan Dublin 22 & Dublin 13. Some didn't report for a few days etc.

The clinically likely covid is on par with last week.

GP buddy is a good tool but I've found it recently to be quite limited given the fluctuation in respondents

lawrencesummers

podgeandrodge wrote: »

Bit of a bummer, after having had second does in February:

Dealgan House Nursing Home in Dundalk, Co Louth, has confirmed that two staff have tested positive for Covid-19.

It said the staff had been fully vaccinated and had their second dose in February.

They were found to have the virus recently during routine serial testing, which is conducted fortnightly in the home.

The staff had displayed no symptoms.

The nursing home said that all residents there have been vaccinated and it has temporarily suspended visits pending advice from public health.


https://www.rte.ie/news/leinster/2021/0420/1211006-deaglan-house/


I know it's possible to contract Covid after being fully vaccinated, and given they weren't sick, it's still good. Unless it's the scariants!

I’m surprised that the possibility of false positives isn’t being investigated here.


The prevalence of false positives is something that has never really been part of the conversation in regards to this.

Let’s be honest, we know this governments track record on medical testing. It’s perfectly reasonable to assume a percentage of false
Positives in daily cases.

JP100

Rebelbrowser wrote: »

GP data a bit disappointing, no? Two days of big jumps on the trot (Friday and yesterday's figures)

The inevitable consequence of schools being back and now back fully this time around.