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Saorview Content Speculation

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  • #52
    [Deleted User]
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    watty wrote: »
    RTENL has to pay ESB (huge),
    It must be huge up at mt leinster anyhow...3 extra unnecessary muxes on high power still on air for nada nothing ... for nearly a year now with the jamming exercise.

    Easy know they're not a private sector company and don't have to account for their spending...
    The love wasting other peoples..
    such effeciency :rolleyes:


  • #53
    galtee boy
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    watty wrote: »
    Sky, RTE, TG4, UPC and others would all complain bitterly if TV3 got free carriage. They are a commercial company funded by adverts. It would be massive distortion of competition if TV3 got free carriage.

    RTE don't have free carriage, even if they were not charge and RTENL was completely integrated to RTE. RTENL has to pay ESB (huge), staff, Microwave & Fibre feed costs and capital equipment etc.

    Is it safe to assume now, that we will not see TV3 back on Saorview until the October launch ? and that they will just leave the current channel line-up of RTE 1 & 2, TG4 and RTE News Now, plus FM & DAB radio stations on through out the summer, as has been the case for some month's now ? Everyday I turn on DTT hoping to see TV3 back ( just to complete the line-up ) or some channel changes like some video on the HD channel, but nothing has changed for quite a while now, except some experimenting with a Saorview dedicated epg.


  • #54
    scath
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 558 ✭✭✭scath


    galtee boy wrote: »
    Is it safe to assume now, that we will not see TV3 back on Saorview until the October launch ? and that they will just leave the current channel line-up of RTE 1 & 2, TG4 and RTE News Now, plus FM & DAB radio stations on through out the summer, as has been the case for some month's now ? Everyday I turn on DTT hoping to see TV3 back ( just to complete the line-up ) or some channel changes like some video on the HD channel, but nothing has changed for quite a while now, except some experimenting with a Saorview dedicated epg.

    I would say there will be some experimenting further with the channel line up. I suspect we may see Oireachtas TV, perhaps a reconfiguration of RTÉ2 on DTT different from analogue RTÉ2 and a childrens channel. TV3 and 3e probably will wait til mid October for cost reasons. So I would say just have to continue as you are. I'd say we'll have the current lineup until mid August. That's just my own intuition and nowt more


  • #55
    Mr McBoatface
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    It must be huge up at mt leinster anyhow...3 extra unnecessary muxes on high power still on air for nada nothing ... for nearly a year now with the jamming exercise.

    Easy know they're not a private sector company and don't have to account for their spending...
    The love wasting other peoples..
    such effeciency :rolleyes:

    It might be a bit early to say for sure, but I think they've turned off the extra muxes at Mount Leinster. I lost all channels on all the muxes earlier today and when the channels came back I could only tune them in on a single mux instead of the normal 4 .


  • #56
    [Deleted User]
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    yes -can confirm on ch 45 only now which means most of co wexford and south wicklow will not be able to receive RTE digital as the bulk of households do have presely aerials.
    They should be on ch39


  • #57
    10000maniacs
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    watty wrote: »
    Sky, RTE, TG4, UPC and others would all complain bitterly if TV3 got free carriage. They are a commercial company funded by adverts. It would be massive distortion of competition if TV3 got free carriage.

    RTE don't have free carriage, even if they were not charge and RTENL was completely integrated to RTE. RTENL has to pay ESB (huge), staff, Microwave & Fibre feed costs and capital equipment etc.
    It could be argued that there is already a massive distortion of competition, where RTE not only get a sizable chunk of the license fee, but compete with a distinct advantage over its competitors for advertising revenue.
    TG4 also has a skewed advantage over TV3.
    Let Sky and UPC complain.
    Sky are not even under regulation here. They only answer to UK jurisdiction.
    They can't have it both ways.


  • #58
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,864 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    10000maniacs wrote: »
    It could be argued that there is already a massive distortion of competition, where RTE not only get a sizable chunk of the license fee, but compete with a distinct advantage over its competitors for advertising revenue.
    TG4 also has a skewed advantage over TV3.
    Let Sky and UPC complain.
    Sky are not even under regulation here. They only answer to UK jurisdiction.
    They can't have it both ways.

    I do not understand your point. TV3 are a commercial operation that refuses to pay for full carriage on analogue and consequently are not carried on a large number (nearly all) repeaters. They are in dispute over costs, and as a consequence are not getting a free ride on DTT. It is not certain that they will pay for carriage on DTT at launch, and it is probably certain that if they do not agree terms, they will not be carried. The licence fee has nothing to do with it. Bus Eareann pays their road tax as does Dublin Bus. The government owns both and yet still collects the road tax.

    TV3 still broadcast their studio productions on 4:3 format. They produce very few home produced programmes anyway except cheap face-to-camera stuff. A shopping channel has more elaborate production values. Almost all their output is sourced from ITV1 or the BBC, plus their bought in Americana.

    TV3 is a low rent outfit, that refuses to pay the rent.


  • #59
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    Sam Russell wrote: »
    TV3 is a low rent outfit, that refuses to pay the rent.
    Could someone point me exactly to public domain information as to what TV3 has or hasn't been paid for transmission by them and also to an independent assessment of transmission costs for them.
    Bearing in mind that their chief competitor controls their outlet.

    I keep reading people refering here to the dispute but want to see if it's hearsay or are there actually any particulars.


  • #60
    Charles Slane
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    I keep reading people refering here to the dispute but want to see if it's hearsay or are there actually any particulars.

    Have to say, I'd be very interested to hear particulars too. We could argue forever about the merits of the quailty of their programming, but some facts on their apparent refusal to pay carriage fees would be enlightening.


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  • #61
    endakenny
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    Sam Russell wrote: »
    TV3 are a commercial operation that refuses to pay for full carriage on analogue and consequently are not carried on a large number (nearly all) repeaters. They are in dispute over costs, and as a consequence are not getting a free ride on DTT. It is not certain that they will pay for carriage on DTT at launch, and it is probably certain that if they do not agree terms, they will not be carried.
    As far as I know, TV3 is obliged by the terms of its licence to have full coverage and has been given slack because it is "negotiating". Why isn't the broadcasting regulator putting more pressure on TV3? Surely it would be in TV3's interest to pay for full coverage because it would get more viewers. Hence, more ad revenue.


  • #62
    watty
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    Not if the more revenue is less than the more payment, which it will be for outlying relays. The cost of a relay has got nothing to do with how many people receive it. Woodcock hill used to be a relay, it's similar power to some relays but covers maybe 150,000 to 200,000.

    A similar cost to run and provision relay in Donegal, Mayo, West Cork or Kerry might have only 1K viewers.


  • #63
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    Deleted User wrote: »
    Could someone point me exactly to public domain information as to what TV3 has or hasn't been paid for transmission by them and also to an independent assessment of transmission costs for them.
    Bearing in mind that their chief competitor controls their outlet.

    I keep reading people refering here to the dispute but want to see if it's hearsay or are there actually any particulars.
    Charles Slane wrote: »
    Have to say, I'd be very interested to hear particulars too. We could argue forever about the merits of the quailty of their programming, but some facts on their apparent refusal to pay carriage fees would be enlightening.
    Bumping this.
    Anyone have any idea officially if theres a problem with payment from TV3 or is it just a common but unproven or unfounded allegation?


  • #64
    watty
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    I was told it by someone in RTENL. That could be hear-say.

    Why else are they not on all the relays?


  • #65
    mike65
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    As the DTT thread is closed I stick this in here, the BAI said in their May 18th statement that there would be a meeting on May 31st. Did they have it and does anyone know what the conclusion was?


  • #66
    scath
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    mike65 wrote: »
    As the DTT thread is closed I stick this in here, the BAI said in their May 18th statement that there would be a meeting on May 31st. Did they have it and does anyone know what the conclusion was?

    Good question. All we know is Minister called in Comreg, BAI, RTÉ to chart course for Saorview. As regards the BAI we have to hear whether they are abandoning Commercial DTT until the economic situation improves or are re-tendering once they have sought an analysis of the market based around a consultation. We have to hear yet and the BAI tend to keep quiet until its already mooted in the press.


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  • #67
    The Cush
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    mike65 wrote: »
    As the DTT thread is closed I stick this in here, the BAI said in their May 18th statement that there would be a meeting on May 31st. Did they have it and does anyone know what the conclusion was?
    scath wrote: »
    Good question. All we know is Minister called in Comreg, BAI, RTÉ to chart course for Saorview. As regards the BAI we have to hear whether they are abandoning Commercial DTT until the economic situation improves or are re-tendering once they have sought an analysis of the market based around a consultation. We have to hear yet and the BAI tend to keep quiet until its already mooted in the press.

    The monthly meeting would've taken place but nothing from the BAI. In the Dáil about that time the Minister in reply to questions indicated that the stakeholders (the Dept, RTÉ, BAI, Comreg) are working in tandem on both Saorview (as scath said)
    We had a series of meetings today and last week with RTE, the BAI and ComReg and we have set out a project management course, in terms of getting set top box regulations in place and clarity around which standards should be in place and what channels we will put on our public service.
    ...

    As soon as that [commercial DTT process] came to an end I brought in RTE, the BAI and ComReg. I set up a working group for us to get the technical standards and other arrangements in place in order that we will have digital terrestrial television in the autumn and we will meet, with absolute certainty, our switch-off schedule which is the end of 2012. We have until then to get the Irish public ready for the switch over.

    and the future of the commercial process
    I regret that the BAI process did not result in a commercial DTT operator as it would have delivered additional consumer choice. As a result of the outcome of the BAI’s commercial DTT process, I am in detailed discussions with the BAI, ComReg and RTE to consider the broadcasting, telecommunications and spectrum policy issues that arise.


  • #68
    scath
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    Yip, sounds like they're in discussions, the stakeholders. I guess ultimately the Dept has to decide then could the spare capacity be used for other uses that the BAI muxes would take up. My own view is that the 3 muxes should be reserved and that rather than license DVB-H that that DVB-T or DVB-T2 should cover both DTT and MTT (mobile terrestrial television) and digital Radio. That way we get the most out of DTT. RTÉ and a commercial partner could then charge mobile operators for accessing their system for the free-to-air and the subscription end. I would imagine someone like Eircom would and other mobile operators would be interested in such a scenario but especially Eircom for Meteor. You could have a wholesale network operator model as envisaged for DVB-H city wide licenses. That to me sounds like the way forward. Sky I'm sure would be interested. MTT would make commercial DTT more compelling a business case than purely DTT.


  • #69
    icdg
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    Maybe we can keep this thread to content speculation and discuss the technical side elsewhere. I'll set up a dedicated thread if that's what people want and make it a sticky. The technicalities are largely settled, in any case.


  • #70
    The Cush
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    icdg wrote: »
    Maybe we can keep this thread to content speculation and discuss the technical side elsewhere. I'll set up a dedicated thread if that's what people want and make it a sticky. The technicalities are largely settled, in any case.
    The two existing stickies should suffice MPEG4 tests - Not a Public Service & MPEG4 Irish DTT: BCI & Launch issues until there is some new development.


  • #71
    Capt'n Midnight
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    watty wrote: »
    Saorview's success is 100% assured, because it will be the ONLY way to get TG4, TV3, RTE1 and RTE2 without a subscription in 3 or 4 years time.
    Was talking to a Finnish guy who reckons they lost a lot of TV license holders during the digital changeover there because of license fee and the availability of TV on broadband so a lot of people didn't bother buying set top boxes.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Television_licence#Finland
    The television fee in Finland is between €224.30 and €232.20 (depending on the interval of payments) per annum for a household with TV.
    ...
    The switch to digital only transmission of TV in Finland has seen a decline in the number of households with a TV licence. The reason for this is not clear. It may be that people are recouping the mandatory cost of purchasing a digital receiver (€50-€100 for basic models) against the cost of the licence by way of protest, and others may genuinely have given up watching TV altogether.

    It's not as easy to replace your TV license with broadband as it is to replace your land line rental with a mobile phone but some people are doing it.

    Then again most people can't watch all the popular channels here directly on broadband and the license fee isn't as high.


    edit http://www.tv-maksu.fi/en/index/tietoa/televisiomaksujenhinnat.html - Finnish licence fee from €19.95 a month to €231.05 a year


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  • #72
    Capt'n Midnight
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    stupid question - should it not be feachsaor ?


  • #73
    Sponge Bob
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    BreathnaighSaor rather than Féachsaor Cap'n as in look at rather than glance in the direction of.


  • #74
    John mac
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    how is Saorview pronounced?

    is it
    say or view?


  • #75
    watty
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    I'm told it's Sear as Searing meat in a pan.


  • #76
    Charles Slane
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    I thought it was like Sair...


  • #77
    Sam Russell
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    I think it's seer view, as in a pun on see-er. I assume it was intended.


  • #78
    copacetic
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    It's pretty much 'sair' as charles says. i.e as the Irish word Saor meaning free is pronounced.


  • #79
    warlikedave
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    pity the uk and ireland didnt do a joint DTT service with all thier channels on in both regions - dreaming of course but will there be any english channels on the irish version?


  • #80
    scath
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    I think I answered this in another thread. Feach is to look as in glance not to view as in watch an analyse. Saoramharc is the proper translation of Freeview. Saorfeach is Freelook.

    Saor would be pronounced Sayr or Sair not Seer.


  • #81
    watty
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    warlikedave wrote: »
    pity the uk and ireland didnt do a joint DTT service with all thier channels on in both regions - dreaming of course but will there be any english channels on the irish version?

    TV3


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  • #82
    Pangea
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    Sam Russell wrote: »
    I think it's seer view, as in a pun on see-er. I assume it was intended.
    Thats pretty much what it sounds like indeed . Probably depends on what part of the country your in too, Sure theres a big difference between kerry irish and donegal irish :P


  • #83
    warlikedave
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    watty wrote: »
    TV3

    They are owned ny granada as well arent they? so itv would be the only ones with an overlap with tv3? still tis a shame - i think we wont get anywhere near as much as what the uk viewers are getting channel wise


  • #84
    Capt'n Midnight
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    scath wrote: »
    I think I answered this in another thread. Feach is to look as in glance not to view as in watch an analyse. Saoramharc is the proper translation of Freeview. Saorfeach is Freelook.

    Saor would be pronounced Sayr or Sair not Seer.
    LOL for a second it looked like radharc , how may times did I change channel when that was on :P

    http://www.radharcfilms.com/


  • #85
    Sponge Bob
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    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    LOL for a second it looked like radharc ,
    Radharc is viewing from a distance, eg of a vista. It is overly etymologically expansive to describe the typical distance between the couch and the telly.

    The similar sounding Amharc is another way of saying féach and implies no attention span, not suitable either in case someone punts it in here :D


  • #86
    Capt'n Midnight
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    warlikedave wrote: »
    They are owned ny granada as well arent they? so itv would be the only ones with an overlap with tv3? still tis a shame - i think we wont get anywhere near as much as what the uk viewers are getting channel wise
    RTE2 was more or less setup to show imports and still does.

    TG4 has showed a lot of good HBO stuff, they were The Wire before the main UK channels


  • #87
    icdg
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    Back on topic please!


  • #88
    rurs
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    Pangea wrote: »
    Thats pretty much what it sounds like indeed . Probably depends on what part of the country your in too, Sure theres a big difference between kerry irish and donegal irish :P

    To me it sounds like Serve-U, when you have to actually say it loud to someone who doesn't know anything about it.
    Terrible choice..dependent on both a knowledge of Irish, AND the UKs DTT service fr it to make any sense.
    e
    Unless it's a pun on RTE being a public service broadcaster, of course :(


  • #89
    endakenny
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    According to the indo, parts of the west coast won't get DTT.
    See the following link:

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/west-the-loser-as-rte-cuts-digital-tv-coverage-2237363.html

    I started a thread on this but I'm not sure it'll be picked up on.


  • #90
    Sponge Bob
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    Parts of the west coast did not get analogue either so where exactly have you been for the last 50 years since the analogue rollout started ??????


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  • #91
    scath
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    warlikedave wrote: »
    They are owned ny granada as well arent they? so itv would be the only ones with an overlap with tv3? still tis a shame - i think we wont get anywhere near as much as what the uk viewers are getting channel wise


    ITV plc (Granada, Carlton merger) sold TV3 over 2 years ago. Doughty Hanson, a European Venture capalist own it, on behalf of a private investor. So not quite right though your point has some validity even so.


  • #92
    snaps
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    endakenny wrote: »
    According to the indo, parts of the west coast won't get DTT.
    See the following link:

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/west-the-loser-as-rte-cuts-digital-tv-coverage-2237363.html

    I started a thread on this but I'm not sure it'll be picked up on.

    Long as the east coasters and Dublin are ok why worry. we all know the west is always the last and the forgotten ones in Ireland.

    If Rte were FTA or FTV like some of the UK channels, we wouldnt be in this mess, but to suggest that customers subscribe to sky tv for the national channels at 22€ a month plus a TV licence is a joke and shameful.

    Most countrys operate a FTV card system, so heaven knows why we cant.

    That about sums this country up at the moment.


  • #93
    Capt'n Midnight
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    snaps wrote: »
    Most countrys operate a FTV card system, so heaven knows why we cant.
    The UK don't anymore because it was cheaper to pay for the rights than for the encryption. (How long before the C5 encryption contract runs out?)

    It's been pointed out repeatedly that RTE have no money for satellite and even if they did that FTA would mean lots of blanking because of rights issues on imported programs.

    Unlike the UK the vast majority of people already pay cable / staellite provider for terrestial channels. And has been pointed out TV3 won't pay for full terresterial coverage.

    The target audience for FTV cards is those people who don't have cable, good terresterial signal or SKY contract or Broadband but do have a SKY decoder.


    Actually it might be worth asking the question of what the costs would be of going to FTV instead of UHF, would the savings on transmitters and power be enough ? Instead of set top boxes everyone would go satellite.
    Realistically it's not going to happen, but it is technically possible.

    Another question might be to ask if it's cheaper to provide broadband (by satellite LOL ) to people with dodgy reception than powering transmitters for only a thousand people ?

    anyway , if ifs and ands where pots and pans....


    But at the end of they day we have a DTT rollout that for only about 30% of the population of a low density country with a fair few mountains and people scattered by ribbon developments. In Japan / Italy they have mountains but people live in villages so it's a lot easier to get the signal to the majority.


  • #94
    Mr McBoatface
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    icdg wrote: »
    Back on topic please!

    +1 on this


  • #95
    mike65
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    Any chance they could get the aertel/EPG back up and running. (if that counts as content)


  • #96
    scath
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    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    The UK don't anymore because it was cheaper to pay for the rights than for the encryption. (How long before the C5 encryption contract runs out?)

    I think that contract is up over a year now and that Five are free-to-air. I know that their contract finished later than Channel 4's but i think that contract for Five (C5) is already up.


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  • #97
    Macy0161
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    Aye, Five has been FTA for a good while, but doesn't appear on the epg on sky recievers being used as a FTA box (or didn't last time I checked). Five USA and Fiver are still FTV though.


  • #98
    Digifriendly
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    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    The UK don't anymore because it was cheaper to pay for the rights than for the encryption. (How long before the C5 encryption contract runs out?)

    Are you sure about this? Freesatfromsky (FTV) cards AFAIK are still being issued as they decode Fiver, Five US (and +1 associates) and Sky 3.


  • #99
    watty
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    Discussion of DTT today
    RTÉ's Chief Financial Officer Conor Hayes told the committee that RTÉ wants to make two complimentary digital systems, DTT and free-to-air, available to replace the analogue service.

    Mr Hayes said RTÉ is working against the clock to achieve analogue TV switch-off, which is planned for 31 September 2012.

    Households without satellite or cable television services will have to upgrade to DTT
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0714/dtt.html

    http://www.oireachtas.ie/viewdoc.asp?fn=/documents/livewebcast/Web-Live.htm


  • #100
    copacetic
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    watty wrote: »
    Discussion of DTT today

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0714/dtt.html

    http://www.oireachtas.ie/viewdoc.asp?fn=/documents/livewebcast/Web-Live.htm

    or if you have dtt, it's on RTÉ news now.


  • #101
    watty
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Also relevent http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=2055968485
    Mentions NINE channels for DTT PSB mux and simulcast on a probably not yet launched Ka Band satellite of Saorsat Free to Air "spot beam". (little UK overspill as a different beam on same satellite uses same channels/frequencies)


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