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    #92
    snaps
    Registered Users Posts: 7,138 ✭✭✭snaps


    endakenny wrote: »
    According to the indo, parts of the west coast won't get DTT.
    See the following link:

    http://www.independent.ie/national-news/west-the-loser-as-rte-cuts-digital-tv-coverage-2237363.html

    I started a thread on this but I'm not sure it'll be picked up on.

    Long as the east coasters and Dublin are ok why worry. we all know the west is always the last and the forgotten ones in Ireland.

    If Rte were FTA or FTV like some of the UK channels, we wouldnt be in this mess, but to suggest that customers subscribe to sky tv for the national channels at 22€ a month plus a TV licence is a joke and shameful.

    Most countrys operate a FTV card system, so heaven knows why we cant.

    That about sums this country up at the moment.


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    #93
    Capt'n Midnight
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 90,760 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    snaps wrote: »
    Most countrys operate a FTV card system, so heaven knows why we cant.
    The UK don't anymore because it was cheaper to pay for the rights than for the encryption. (How long before the C5 encryption contract runs out?)

    It's been pointed out repeatedly that RTE have no money for satellite and even if they did that FTA would mean lots of blanking because of rights issues on imported programs.

    Unlike the UK the vast majority of people already pay cable / staellite provider for terrestial channels. And has been pointed out TV3 won't pay for full terresterial coverage.

    The target audience for FTV cards is those people who don't have cable, good terresterial signal or SKY contract or Broadband but do have a SKY decoder.


    Actually it might be worth asking the question of what the costs would be of going to FTV instead of UHF, would the savings on transmitters and power be enough ? Instead of set top boxes everyone would go satellite.
    Realistically it's not going to happen, but it is technically possible.

    Another question might be to ask if it's cheaper to provide broadband (by satellite LOL ) to people with dodgy reception than powering transmitters for only a thousand people ?

    anyway , if ifs and ands where pots and pans....


    But at the end of they day we have a DTT rollout that for only about 30% of the population of a low density country with a fair few mountains and people scattered by ribbon developments. In Japan / Italy they have mountains but people live in villages so it's a lot easier to get the signal to the majority.


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    #94
    Mr McBoatface
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,579 ✭✭✭Mr McBoatface


    icdg wrote: »
    Back on topic please!

    +1 on this


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    #95
    mike65
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    Any chance they could get the aertel/EPG back up and running. (if that counts as content)


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    #96
    scath
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    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    The UK don't anymore because it was cheaper to pay for the rights than for the encryption. (How long before the C5 encryption contract runs out?)

    I think that contract is up over a year now and that Five are free-to-air. I know that their contract finished later than Channel 4's but i think that contract for Five (C5) is already up.


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    #97
    Macy0161
    Registered Users Posts: 9,284 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    Aye, Five has been FTA for a good while, but doesn't appear on the epg on sky recievers being used as a FTA box (or didn't last time I checked). Five USA and Fiver are still FTV though.


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    #98
    Digifriendly
    Registered Users Posts: 4,016 ✭✭✭Digifriendly


    Capt'n Midnight wrote: »
    The UK don't anymore because it was cheaper to pay for the rights than for the encryption. (How long before the C5 encryption contract runs out?)

    Are you sure about this? Freesatfromsky (FTV) cards AFAIK are still being issued as they decode Fiver, Five US (and +1 associates) and Sky 3.


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    #99
    watty
    Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Discussion of DTT today
    RTÉ's Chief Financial Officer Conor Hayes told the committee that RTÉ wants to make two complimentary digital systems, DTT and free-to-air, available to replace the analogue service.

    Mr Hayes said RTÉ is working against the clock to achieve analogue TV switch-off, which is planned for 31 September 2012.

    Households without satellite or cable television services will have to upgrade to DTT
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0714/dtt.html

    http://www.oireachtas.ie/viewdoc.asp?fn=/documents/livewebcast/Web-Live.htm


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    #100
    copacetic
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    watty wrote: »
    Discussion of DTT today

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0714/dtt.html

    http://www.oireachtas.ie/viewdoc.asp?fn=/documents/livewebcast/Web-Live.htm

    or if you have dtt, it's on RTÉ news now.


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    #101
    watty
    Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Also relevent http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=2055968485
    Mentions NINE channels for DTT PSB mux and simulcast on a probably not yet launched Ka Band satellite of Saorsat Free to Air "spot beam". (little UK overspill as a different beam on same satellite uses same channels/frequencies)


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    #102
    Mr McBoatface
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    From the debate today It appears there will be 9 channels on DTT and 2 mux system for DTT has been mentioned in the RTE press release, can I assume there is more than enough room for one or more HD channels from the start ?

    "Mr Hayes said the total spend on the project will be €70m for the two multiplex platforms. Originally, it had planned for six multiplex platforms"


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    #103
    watty
    Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Probably. Otherwise you could nearly have 9 channels in one Mux (depending on quality). But none in HD


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    #104
    ftakeith
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,251 ✭✭✭ftakeith


    watty wrote: »
    Probably. Otherwise you could nearly have 9 channels in one Mux (depending on quality).

    the proposed dtt tv channels, freesat for uk fta tv channels according to rte

    rte1
    rte2
    rtehd
    rte childrens, rte +1, euronews overnight
    tv3
    3e
    tg4


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    #105
    warlikedave
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    ftakeith wrote: »
    the proposed dtt tv channels, freesat for uk fta tv channels according to rte

    rte1
    rte2
    rtehd
    rte childrens, rte +1, euronews overnight
    tv3
    3e
    tg4

    nothing exciting or break through there


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    #106
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,378 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    ftakeith wrote: »

    the proposed dtt tv channels, freesat for uk fta tv channels according to rte

    rte1
    rte2
    rtehd
    rte childrens, rte +1, euronews overnight
    tv3
    3e
    tg4

    With 2 public muxs available, it does not make sense to have RTE HD, as there is enough bandwidth for RTE1 HD and RTE2 HD. The OTV stream is available online, so it could be broadcast easily, just as RTE News Now is on DTT at present. RTE3 might make more sense for use when sport overloads the schedule, as it did in the World Cup, and will again with the Olympics in two years time.


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    #107
    warlikedave
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    Sam Russell wrote: »
    With 2 public muxs available, it does not make sense to have RTE HD, as there is enough bandwidth for RTE1 HD and RTE2 HD. The OTV stream is available online, so it could be broadcast easily, just as RTE News Now is on DTT at present. RTE3 might make more sense for use when sport overloads the schedule, as it did in the World Cup, and will again with the Olympics in two years time.

    A dedicated sports channel would be cool - replays of new magners leage matches as well as otehr live sports and replays of classic matches

    24 hour film channel and a 24 hour music channel as well as CNN and other news channels like cnbc and bbc news that i pcik up free on astra 1 sat

    They would make some nice additions besides all the basic rte channels

    would love virgin 1 or dave but sky have those locked to their platform in ireland :mad:


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    #108
    SPDUB
    Registered Users Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭SPDUB


    ftakeith wrote: »
    the proposed dtt tv channels,

    rte1
    rte2
    rtehd
    rte childrens, rte +1, euronews overnight
    tv3
    3e
    tg4

    That's basically 5 channels not 9 since

    #1 RTEHD would presumably be relaying RTE1 or RTE2 most of the time

    #2 RTE childrens etc is a mess of a channel since it is just a simulcast most of the time


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    #109
    Trick of the Tail
    Registered Users Posts: 1,319 ✭✭✭Trick of the Tail


    I'm not one to say 'I told you so..' but....


    A.


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    #110
    watty
    Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    The RTE HD is only special events part time.
    Probably
    rtehd,rte childrens, rte +1, euronews overnight
    is all one channel


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    #111
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,378 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    watty wrote: »
    The RTE HD is only special events part time.
    Probably
    rtehd,rte childrens, rte +1, euronews overnight
    is all one channel

    That would be daft. All Saorview certified boxes will get HD, so why not switch the channel to HD as they shift from 4:3 to 16:9. Better to upscale both RTE1 and RTE2 when HD content is not available. Otherwise, when they do go HD, there will be a wailing from those poor souls that are cut off.


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    #112
    watty
    Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    You need two mux for that much HD. No 2nd mux till 2012

    HD is nearly x4 bitrate or else it's not HD.


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    #113
    SPDUB
    Registered Users Posts: 1,335 ✭✭✭SPDUB


    watty wrote: »
    rtehd,rte childrens, rte +1, euronews overnight
    is all one channel


    Which is precisely why its a mess

    Why is it even one channel ? Are we running out of space on the MUX's .RTE+1 and Euronews could easily be channels on their own


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    #114
    watty
    Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    yes. There is only one Mux now. 2nd Mux in 2012

    Also it has EPG, MHEG, all the DAB radio channels...


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    #115
    Macy0161
    Registered Users Posts: 9,284 ✭✭✭Macy0161


    SPDUB wrote: »
    #2 RTE childrens etc is a mess of a channel since it is just a simulcast most of the time
    Medium term, would they not be attempting to shift all the childrens stuff off RTE2 (and backfill with crap/ teenage programming)?

    Also, I'd be hoping that the childrens channel will do weekend broadcasts (but I guess that depends on whether it is the HD channel, given the clashes with sport as well).


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    #116
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,378 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    watty wrote: »
    yes. There is only one Mux now. 2nd Mux in 2012

    Also it has EPG, MHEG, all the DAB radio channels...

    Surely, if there is no comm mux or any prospect of any, why cannot RTE use 2 of the four mux slots they have tested, for public use? Even if a pay tv operator came out of the mist, it would be after ASO before they would be up and running.

    Also, is it not in RTE's interest to hurry the switch off of the main transmitters? Think of the power they would save, not to mention the lecky bill. The relays are a lot less power hungry.


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    #117
    watty
    Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    Relays get feed off air from main TX. Clue in the name!

    They have not 4 mux running on all sites and there is issue of feeds etc.

    The priority is EXISTING TV channels as nationwide as possible by Nov 2010 and then more coverage during 2011. Then add 2nd Mux in 2012.

    They don't have the content either right now.


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    #118
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,378 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    If they do not have more than one mux available at many sites, how were they going to get the pay-tv up and running? They must be able to get at least two muxes per site if they were planning on four per site, even if they cut back mid-stream.


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    #119
    watty
    Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    The pay TV was initially going to be only on the main sites, much less coverage than PSB mux.

    Since no-one has paid RTENL for ANY pay DTT gear, and it's their gear, not BAI, I'd suspect that where possible they are using parts from the original roll out plan to increase PSB mux rollout.

    In fact some people argued it was irresponsible of RTENL to buy ANY pay DTT gear prior to signing a contract with the pay TV licence holder.


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    #120
    STB
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,178 ✭✭✭STB


    Sam Russell wrote: »
    If they do not have more than one mux available at many sites, how were they going to get the pay-tv up and running? They must be able to get at least two muxes per site if they were planning on four per site, even if they cut back mid-stream.

    I would speculate that RTE will indeed have a second mux on by of end next year. What a busy time to be an engineer!


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    #121
    Sam Russell
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 19,378 Mod ✭✭✭✭Sam Russell


    To my mind, they must avoid the simulcast of HD with SD versions of a channel. Look what a mess the beeb have with their HD channel, it is not listed in the TV listings, and it sometimes broadcasts a programme from BBC1 and sometimes from BBC2 and sometimes, it broadcasts something else entirely.

    HD would give an incentive for upgrading to DTT, and since SAORview requires HD as standard, there is no reason for channels not to be in HD (providing there is bandwidth). There was a mention of HD Lite where some content would be HD and some would be SD. That might be a solution, but the real requirement must be two muxes from the start, or drop TV3 and E3.


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