Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

L1011 · 09-02-2021 2:56pm

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J6P · 23-02-2021 10:36am

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/fingal-council-puts-dublin-runway-flight-plans-on-hold-40121317.html:p

Fingal County Council has delayed lifting restrictions on Dublin airport’s new €320m runway.

The local authority is seeking additional information from airport operator DAA on its planning application.

jamo2oo9 · 23-02-2021 10:51am

J6P wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/fingal-council-puts-dublin-runway-flight-plans-on-hold-40121317.html:p

Fingal County Council has delayed lifting restrictions on Dublin airport’s new €320m runway.

The local authority is seeking additional information from airport operator DAA on its planning application.

Can you check your link please. It's giving me a 404 error.

MJohnston · 23-02-2021 11:02am

jamo2oo9 wrote: »

Can you check your link please. It's giving me a 404 error.

It's just the ":p" at the end:

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/planning-authority-seeks-further-detail-on-dublins-new-320m-runway-40121317.html

PCros · 23-02-2021 4:28pm

J6P wrote: »

https://www.independent.ie/business/irish/fingal-council-puts-dublin-runway-flight-plans-on-hold-40121317.html:p

Fingal County Council has delayed lifting restrictions on Dublin airport’s new €320m runway.

The local authority is seeking additional information from airport operator DAA on its planning application.

So this is really only in relation to Condition 3(d)?

I take it Condition 5 remains the same.

HTCOne · 23-02-2021 8:47pm

I can understand a curfew on the new runway, it's bringing aircraft closer to homes that the existing runways wouldn't effect as badly. Not saying I agree with it mind, other airports allow more freedom for flights in lower noise categories etc so I would hope that's being incorporated into any review.

What I do not understand is the all encompassing nature of the movement cap. The existing runways shouldn't have their movement cap reduced from existing levels, I don't get the logic of that at all. If it wasn't a problem 40 years ago when 1-11s, jurassics, DC-8s etc were shaking the fillings out of anyone wishin a couple of NM of the threshold then it certainly shouldn't be one today.

goingnowhere · 23-02-2021 8:52pm

And bear in mind the new runway is really an extension of the old 29 which was used though intermittently until about 20 years ago.

If you bought a house near the airport what do you expect?

I don't think there would be a problem with current ops on 28L and close 28R 0000-0600 save for emergencies and where 28L is closed for maintenance

0lddog · 23-02-2021 9:31pm

goingnowhere wrote: »

...If you bought a house near the airport what do you expect?...

What about those of us who have been living in houses near the airport since it was Collinstown Aerodrome? A few DC3 movements per day was about the height of it then - later a sprinkle of Viscounts and such stuff.

Nijmegen · 24-02-2021 10:52am

While I do agree that reducing ops from where they are today makes no sense, I think it is fair to say that the more people live underneath the flight paths as they'll exist due to population growth and so on and so you will get more sensitivity to expansion. The current council position is too extreme, but it's worth noting that some of the worlds greatest hubs operate with strict nighttime restrictions on them. Short of building the airport in the sea with no overland routes for the planes, you gotta live with what the folks underneath have to say about it.

IngazZagni · 24-02-2021 12:03pm

The north runway in its 3k form has been in planning documents since the mid 60’s. There isn’t an issue with closing the north runway between midnight and 6am. The real issue is the shoulder times of 6am-7am and 11pm-midnight which see a large amount of departures and arrivals respectively. I even think they could accept an 11:30pm-6:30am closure of the north runway subject to the caps outside that windows being lifted.

If the restrictions aren’t changed then I don’t believe the runway will open and the €300 million plus lots of future economic development down the drain.

sparrowcar · 24-02-2021 12:09pm

IngazZagni wrote: »

If the restrictions aren’t changed then I don’t believe the runway will open and the €300 million plus lots of future economic development down the drain.

You think they'll mothball the runway if the restrictions aren't lifted?

IngazZagni · 24-02-2021 12:12pm

sparrowcar wrote: »

You think they'll mothball the runway if the restrictions aren't lifted?

I don’t see what choice they would have. They would effectively have to to tell airlines to give up lots of morning and evening slots. Airlines like Ryanair would be forced to move based aircraft away from Dublin. Transatlantic flights would be forced to arrive after 7am missing vital connections. It would be a complete disaster.

goingnowhere · 24-02-2021 12:12pm

sparrowcar wrote: »

You think they'll mothball the runway if the restrictions aren't lifted?

Its an option as it maintains status quo and permits night flights. Its not like Dublin is going to be needing two runways in 2021 and probably 2022

Imposing restrictions is an operational nightmare, anyone who has taken a late evening flight out of a German airport will know the panic as the clock ticks down and you are still on the tarmac. I've just about scraped out of TXL and SXF right on curfew, I know of cases of getting to runway and ATC refusing take off clearance and everyone is stuck for the night.

The real pain in Dublin would be the incoming TATL wave from about 4am which the first wave is timed to offer connections off, if they cannot land till later the whole schedule collapses, that hurts EI badly, for FR they might lose a rotation off each aircraft which wrecks the business model.

sparrowcar · 24-02-2021 12:15pm

goingnowhere wrote: »

Its an option as it maintains status quo and permits night flights. Its not like Dublin is going to be needing two runways in 2021 and probably 2022

Ok as in short term. It's not due for ORAT completion until sometime in 2022 anyway so I suppose there is time for decisions to be made.

Nijmegen · 24-02-2021 12:38pm

I think everyone here is onboard with the idea that the current restriction is too much. And you could equally go back and point out to the likes of the Greens that instead of TATL planes landing you'll have them circling the field burning fuel, and note that perhaps the planning conditions could be altered to allow "xx night flights over y period and unlimited TATL landings before xAM". There are solutions that can be reasonable compromises.

PCros · 24-02-2021 5:00pm

goingnowhere wrote: »

I don't think there would be a problem with current ops on 28L and close 28R 0000-0600 save for emergencies and where 28L is closed for maintenance

This is what I've been thinking, why can't this be an option?

I don’t think the odd flight landing on 28R during the night during maintenance or an emergency would cause much fuss and it would be reasonable.

basill · 26-02-2021 8:59pm

Ah don't get me started. ATC need to talk to the people sitting beside them to start with. Then proper CDAs, track miles to final fix if being radar vectored, various curved GPS approaches to short finals which can alternate during the day/night and alternating the runway in use would all help. All of the above would greatly reduce the noise footprint and avoid dirty dives, use of speedbrakes and the inevitable level off and increase in thrust.

Brendan Bendar · 23-03-2021 8:22pm

Apparently the traveller issue at the threshold of 28R has been ‘resolved’.

No info on settlement details, but large figures rumoured.

The Public need to know the details and who foots the bell.

sparrowcar · 23-03-2021 8:33pm

Brendan Bendar wrote: »

Apparently the traveller issue at the threshold of 28R has been ‘resolved’.

No info on settlement details, but large figures rumoured.

The Public need to know the details and who foots the bell.

About time, any links?
FCC will be footing the bill I believe (ie us tax payers)

donkey balls · 23-03-2021 8:46pm

DAA case to have Travellers moved from airport runway exclusion zone resolved https://jrnl.ie/5389643

Here is a link how the f**k could FLAC be involved if there is some form of large settlement.

MJohnston · 23-03-2021 10:16pm

The bit that’s important in that news is that the runway construction can proceed. Any other discussion about it should go to some other thread imo.

donvito99 · 25-03-2021 11:40pm

May well have been asked and answered already, but what is this turning circle off W1? Looks to be marked as TS1.

Peregrine · 25-03-2021 11:44pm

donvito99 wrote: »

May well have been asked and answered already, but what is this turning circle off W1? Looks to be marked as TS1.

Engine test site. I think it's a replacement for one that used to be at the northern end.

Skyknight · 25-03-2021 11:51pm

Peregrine wrote: »

Engine test site

Engine run up pad...it has a concrete blast 'wall' in the South East and North East quadrants

plodder · 26-03-2021 10:58am

On the way home last night I took a detour to get a closer look at the new tower. What a beautiful structure it is. Anyone know is it operational yet? It looks like it might be with the old tower looking a bit sad by comparison.

Brendan Bendar · 26-03-2021 11:08am

plodder wrote: »

On the way home last night I took a detour to get a closer look at the new tower. What a beautiful structure it is. Anyone know is it operational yet? It looks like it might be with the old tower looking a bit sad by comparison.

Not operational yet.

May be a certain amount of background stuff going on, and ‘ office type operations’ but the small lad is still the boss.

Just to clarify,not operational for parallel runway operation yet (obviously).

A Dub in Glasgo · 26-03-2021 12:46pm

plodder wrote: »

On the way home last night I took a detour to get a closer look at the new tower. What a beautiful structure it is..

I agree, I took this photo on my way back to Glasgow Sept 2019

Control-Tower-17-September-2019-at-Dublin-Airport-2.jpg

Brendan Bendar · 26-03-2021 4:02pm

A Dub in Glasgo wrote: »

I agree, I took this photo on my way back to Glasgow Sept 2019

Great photo, Dub

NH2013 · 26-03-2021 5:42pm

I see the approach lights for the new runway have been installed on both ends, looks to be coming along at pace. Anyone have the latest estimates on when it'll open?

sparrowcar · 26-03-2021 9:20pm

Skyknight wrote: »

Engine run up pad...it has a concrete blast 'wall' in the South East and North East quadrants

It's a movable blast fence with an opening range of 230-280 degrees. No concrete blast walls.

Skyknight · 27-03-2021 11:20am

sparrowcar wrote: »

It's a movable blast fence with an opening range of 230-280 degrees. No concrete blast walls.

Cheers for that info.:cool:..best I could judge from the satellite images.

davebuck · 07-04-2021 8:49pm

Anyone have a list of the current projects underway at Dublin airport beside North runway and the baggage upgrade in terminal 2
cheers...

Brendan Bendar · 19-04-2021 4:29pm

Approach lights and lead in lights under construction Rwy 28R... dwellings seem to be vacated at Eastern end..... full steam ahead!!!!

Bsal · 20-04-2021 1:20am

They already have windsocks and the 28R localiser equipment installed.

Ben D Bus · 20-04-2021 1:50pm

When is the first aircraft expected to test it?

Rojomur · 27-04-2021 12:22am

Well Runway 34 is back operational. 2 flights have flown over the house tonight landing on it.

EchoIndia · 27-04-2021 12:28am

Rojomur wrote: »

Well Runway 34 is back operational. 2 flights have flown over the house tonight landing on it.

It hasn't been other than operational for several months but it is indeed quite rarely used.

MarkN · 08-05-2021 1:02pm

Can anyone confirm if the R108 road was ever 'gifted' or anything by the airport - in essence - it is and always has been a national road and nothing to do with DAA?

sparrowcar · 08-05-2021 1:32pm

MarkN wrote: »

Can anyone confirm if the R108 road was ever 'gifted' or anything by the airport - in essence - it is and always has been a national road and nothing to do with DAA?

It is 100's of years old. It use to be the main road from Dublin to Belfast. It was diverted around Dublin Airport land in the 60's or 70's when the present runway 10R/28L was a distant plan.

If you look at Google maps you can see its route would have taken it from Ballymun through the Airfield near the fire station and back out at the roundabout heading north.

Bsal · 09-05-2021 1:38am

Past the airport the other day noticed the glideslope antenas are now installed on both ends.

Gaoth Laidir · 09-05-2021 8:26am

Yes, I passed it yesterday and the PAPIs are installed both ends. At the St. Margaret's end they come right out to the road.

I was dissapointed at all of the landfill that's built up around the perimeter all the way from Forest Little to St. Margaret's, blocking much of the view. They also have the fences blocked off so visibility for onlookers is going to be very bad.

On a positive note, that crowd of gangsters living at the 28R threshold is gone.

BonnieSituation · 09-05-2021 6:22pm

sparrowcar wrote: »

It is 100's of years old. It use to be the main road from Dublin to Belfast. It was diverted around Dublin Airport land in the 60's or 70's when the present runway 10R/28L was a distant plan.

If you look at Google maps you can see its route would have taken it from Ballymun through the Airfield near the fire station and back out at the roundabout heading north.

Surely the R132, formerly N1, was always the main (trunk) route?

conor_mc · 09-05-2021 6:55pm

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Surely the R132, formerly N1, was always the main (trunk) route?

Main route a couple of hundred years ago went right past the Man O’War pub.

sparrowcar · 09-05-2021 7:03pm

BonnieSituation wrote: »

Surely the R132, formerly N1, was always the main (trunk) route?

It replaced the R108 but the R108 was the original route north out of Dublin.

BonnieSituation · 09-05-2021 7:06pm

conor_mc wrote: »

Main route a couple of hundred years ago went right past the Man O’War pub.

Oh aye, actually now that you mention it. I've heard that a few times.

cameramonkey · 09-05-2021 8:39pm

http://map.geohive.ie/

search for dublin airport. Under base information and mapping you can choose the older maps and use the slider for superimpossing todays and the maps from the 1800s.

Brendan Bendar · 10-05-2021 8:52pm

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Yes, I passed it yesterday and the PAPIs are installed both ends. At the St. Margaret's end they come right out to the road.

I was dissapointed at all of the landfill that's built up around the perimeter all the way from Forest Little to St. Margaret's, blocking much of the view. They also have the fences blocked off so visibility for onlookers is going to be very bad.

On a positive note, that crowd of gangsters living at the 28R threshold is gone.

They don’t want drivers rubbernecking, it’s a narrow road.

EB_2013 · 10-05-2021 9:05pm

Gaoth Laidir wrote: »

Yes, I passed it yesterday and the PAPIs are installed both ends. At the St. Margaret's end they come right out to the road.

I was dissapointed at all of the landfill that's built up around the perimeter all the way from Forest Little to St. Margaret's, blocking much of the view. They also have the fences blocked off so visibility for onlookers is going to be very bad.

On a positive note, that crowd of gangsters living at the 28R threshold is gone.

The site would've been a great view for spotting. The only decent place for spotting is when 16 is in use. Can't beat them passing overhead so low. It's not the same looking at them side on.

Chris_5339762 · 10-05-2021 9:18pm

cameramonkey wrote: »

http://map.geohive.ie/

search for dublin airport. Under base information and mapping you can choose the older maps and use the slider for superimpossing todays and the maps from the 1800s.

That site is an incredibly effective way to waste time. Here I am in the forest searching out old Wells marked on the 1800s maps!

BonnieSituation · 10-05-2021 9:59pm

cameramonkey wrote: »

http://map.geohive.ie/

search for dublin airport. Under base information and mapping you can choose the older maps and use the slider for superimpossing todays and the maps from the 1800s.

Chris_5339762 wrote: »

That site is an incredibly effective way to waste time. Here I am in the forest searching out old Wells marked on the 1800s maps!

I worked on it pre-launch back in 2015. I genuinely got bugger all done most days with all of my access to old OSI mapping.

Still to this day its one of my most used platforms for work. It's a god send.

Same with its OSNI counterpart SpatialNI

Dublin Airport New Runway/Infrastructure.

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